Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[White Privilege]

The main job of any professional army is to prevent war, not start it. But you can't scare off an enemy if you look weak. To stop an adversary from making a dangerous mistake, you have to be strong enough to show them that if a war starts, the damage to them will be completely unsustainable.

True, but as I said, preventing a war is the job under normal circumstances, but when Indians are imposing PR stunts for political gain, the calculus changes. Even they don't seek total destruction but limited results. When we come out and say that we want to prevent war, it forces us into a corner where have to parry every enemy blow on its onset to prevent escalation, like we had to do on May 7. Also the enemy has now successfully 'started the war' so that stated objective fails very publicly. Our stated objective should be as u described, to inflict unsustainable damage. Also there are like twenty smaller propaganda objectives , we have to fail them all for them.

 

[Fatman17]

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[Areesh]

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[Oscar]

True, but as I said, preventing a war is the job under normal circumstances, but when Indians are imposing PR stunts for political gain, the calculus changes. Even they don't seek total destruction but limited results. When we come out and say that we want to prevent war, it forces us into a corner where have to parry every enemy blow on its onset to prevent escalation, like we had to do on May 7. Also the enemy has now successfully 'started the war' so that stated objective fails very publicly. Our stated objective should be as u described, to inflict unsustainable damage. Also there are like twenty smaller propaganda objectives , we have to fail them all for them.

This is the perfect example of "making a mountain out of a molehill".

but since Im bored - why not show you how wrong your entire line of thinking is and all it takes is to think again.


here's why:

1. preventing war = preventing escalation
   you literally said "we have to parry every enemy blow on its onset to prevent escalation." that's exactly what preventing war means. stopping each blow before it becomes a full war.
2. preventing war = inflicting unsustainable damage
   when you inflict unsustainable damage on the enemy, they can't continue fighting. they back down. war stops. that's preventing war by making it too costly for them to continue. same thing, different words.
3. preventing war = stopping PR stunts
   you said "when Indians are imposing PR stunts for political gain, the calculus changes." the general saying "prevent war" doesn't mean "do nothing." it means "stop their PR stunts before they become real attacks." that's still preventing war.
4. preventing war = defeating propaganda objectives
   you said "there are like twenty smaller propaganda objectives, we have to fail them all for them." the general saying "prevent war" means "defeat all their propaganda objectives so they don't gain momentum for war." same thing.
5. preventing war = not letting them start the war
   you said "the enemy has now successfully 'started the war' so that stated objective fails very publicly." the general saying "prevent war" means "don't let them start the war in the first place." that's the whole point.

you just don't realize it because you're too busy frothing at the mouth about "inflicting unsustainable damage" and "propaganda objectives" to see that preventing war includes all of that.

 

[RocketLaw]

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[LC150]

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[Cipher212]

In the next round, it is highly probable that either the IAF or IN will fire Brahmos/Rampage/SCALP from safe distances. It will turn into a game of air defence and missiles very quick.

We are actually lacking quite hard in that domain. AD is minimal and rocket force has just been built. PAF jockeys can't shoot farther than their missile flies.

No telling when there'll be another big attack in Kashmir which kicks off the next round.

 

[Falcon26]

Indian army senior officer Lt Gen Rajiv Kinar Sahni trashed by Thai ladyboys after refusing to pay for escort services.

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[Olympus81]

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In the next round, it is highly probable that either the IAF or IN will fire Brahmos/Rampage/SCALP from safe distances. It will turn into a game of air defence and missiles very quick.

We are actually lacking quite hard in that domain. AD is minimal and rocket force has just been built. PAF jockeys can't shoot farther than their missile flies.

No telling when there'll be another big attack in Kashmir which kicks off the next round.

A likely scenario.

Pakistan probably needs to start thinking about expanding its underground infrastructure to store its TELs, missiles, aircrafts, and more.

 

[Oscar]

In the next round, it is highly probable that either the IAF or IN will fire Brahmos/Rampage/SCALP from safe distances. It will turn into a game of air defence and missiles very quick.

We are actually lacking quite hard in that domain. AD is minimal and rocket force has just been built. PAF jockeys can't shoot farther than their missile flies.

No telling when there'll be another big attack in Kashmir which kicks off the next round.

Why do you feel they did not fire from "safe" distances recently?
The brahmos has particular deployed areas - the IN Brahmos as well are within certain areas.


Take the Rampage for instance - its only got 90nm even at 36kft.


for an aircraft to come in and fire that means it is will within both existing HIMADs in Pakistan and PAF range to be pecked out.

On the other hand a MKI can sit comfortably protected behind Sirsa for e.g. and hit 80% of PAF and other targets


What should be interesting to you is that they chose to go with Air LORA and LORA even in SSM form despite having Prithvi's wired up for SSM strike... which tells you their response times with Prithvi(likely phased out) or Shaurya was not sufficient for their needs.

Then there is Brahmos from the sea...

This is a Babur with Smash sitting still fairly secure in Pakistani waters with potential CAP and so on.. see where it can reach


But then the Tushil sub-class with the Brahmos updated can also engage the Pakistani ships but not without putting itself in danger.



Moreover, even the Pakistani ships - while in danger - do have other AD elements behind them - normally kept for Karachi..


but those are mobile element AFAIK - and I could be wrong.
If they were.. that means a short drive to lets say close to where the PAF already has a radar site as well... means you put more of the Brahmos Range at risk.



point being -all is not as simple for India... nor is it simple for Pakistan

 

[Ali_Baba]

Indian army senior officer Lt Gen Rajiv Kinar Sahni trashed by Thai ladyboys after refusing to pay for escort services.

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[Starlord]

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I laugh too hard on this, satisfying to watch that Gen getting his Arse whooped, literally they have no honor, if you are a pervert and taken their service than pay off you cheap b@sturd.

 

[Cipher212]

Why do you feel they did not fire from "safe" distances recently?


On the other hand a MKI can sit comfortably protected behind Sirsa for e.g. and hit 80% of PAF and other targets

They can just cut all the risk this time with Su-30MKI carrying Brahmos. If CEP is higher than other options it doesn't matter, these strikes are ultimately for PR purposes. Just the visual of a crater on a taxi way or runway is enough.

Previously they used other options like Rafales and Mirages. Most likely carrying SCALP and Rampage. They can just skip that.

 

[I*R*A]

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I wish this saffron monkey becomes the next pm of india.

 

[Watandar]

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I wish this saffron monkey becomes the next pm of india.

He is the successor being groomed for Modi, so you may get your wish.