Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Panzerkiel]

- and as far the "no aircraft" crossed each other's border - that has not been established and on the days of the conflict where a lot of us were in consternation -

What if they were talking about International Border and not the WB or LOC....both sides do have a history of hiding behind such lingo-related things....

I mean, no one has ever mentioned that we poured alot of artillery fire (medium and heavy) across International Border (mind u, not WB or LOC only....).....

 

[Panzerkiel]

Thukai tu huwi no doubt, but we were unable to present satellite images to the world which gave a chance to India for face saving

I think we probably wanted, and still want, to downplay what really went down...people in the right circles and the indians themselves, are very clear on what happened to them....

 

[Master Chief]

You forgot something.

There was a terrorist attack at the Red Fort metro station in New Delhi, killing 13 to 15 people, few months after the conflict. Indians couldn't do the usual blaming of Pakistan. Why? Indians know it will start losing more planes again if it retaliates.

According to multiple esteemed forum sources, India no longer even seeks territorial expansion into Pakistani administered lands. Much has changed since Sindoor.

 

[Starlord]

I think we probably wanted, and still want, to downplay what really went down...people in the right circles and the indians themselves, are very clear on what happened to them....

This tactic of downplaying does have a downside to it, Indians understand this now that they can control the escalation ladder, and attack Pakistan conventionally after any/every attack on its soil, We have seen a steady but consistent change in Indian posture since 2016, from rthe famous "Surgical Strike", to cross border firing, from Balakot strikes to large scale Operation sindoor, each time Indian did something more intensity and more consequence, they know that Pakistan will never preemtively attack India as a smaller nation, so they will always control the escalation ladder, if things are going their way, they will continue and its things are not going their way, they will ask for ceasefire but for the internal audiance they will deny.

As for Pakistan, whether we do good or bad, we will stop when the enemy wants us to stop, either by begging for ceasefire or just a DGMO call. We could've end this whole cycle by doing a much larger damage and providing every evidence we have to international media, drawing a clear red line, establish a deterrance, but instead now we have this talwaar on our heads that whenever there is a attack in India we will have fear of war over Pakistan.

 

[PK781]

Thukai tu huwi no doubt, but we were unable to present satellite images to the world which gave a chance to India for face saving

i am unsure whether presenting it all to the world is even necessary, its not going to affect any financial/trade deals or favoritism anyway. Even if we have the capability and the evidence, its best to keep it hidden.

The element of surprise in terms of capability and capacity should just be increased 20 times each time they try anything stupid. Time to RAISE the costs in reality, and turn their so-called tech hubs and economy into dust so that any country who invested there can also feel the aftershocks of stupidity

everyone pulls outta there when they know its all going down, which shouldve happened already. The unnecessary RESTRAINT shown has only damaged us, and not them at all(economically).
I so wish to see the goras and koreas and all that fleeing from there, just like how they fleed from the middleEast recently.....

 

[PK781]

This tactic of downplaying does have a downside to it, Indians understand this now that they can control the escalation ladder, and attack Pakistan conventionally after any/every attack on its soil, We have seen a steady but consistent change in Indian posture since 2016, from rthe famous "Surgical Strike", to cross border firing, from Balakot strikes to large scale Operation sindoor, each time Indian did something more intensity and more consequence, they know that Pakistan will never preemtively attack India as a smaller nation, so they will always control the escalation ladder, if things are going their way, they will continue and its things are not going their way, they will ask for ceasefire but for the internal audiance they will deny.

As for Pakistan, whether we do good or bad, we will stop when the enemy wants us to stop, either by begging for ceasefire or just a DGMO call. We could've end this whole cycle by doing a much larger damage and providing every evidence we have to international media, drawing a clear red line, establish a deterrance, but instead now we have this talwaar on our heads that whenever there is a attack in India we will have fear of war over Pakistan.

jab tak dushman ko poora sabaq nahi sikhainge aur unki economy ka bera gharak nahi kerainge, they will keep doing this shit.
I dunno when our duffers in charge will get this in their thick heads....right now they(india) pretend nothing happened and the losses that occur are not enough to deter them from buying more equipment and coming again for REVENGE.

The biggest mistake was to show restraints, as we can see there is no shortage of countries/companies willing to sell them more weapons for money, bcaz of their so-called economy which we did not damage at all.........the big big mistake was leaving that economy hubs untouched.......i just hope it does not cost us dearly the next time......why? BECAUSE they WILL NOT show any restraints when they have a upper hand......and they won't even go for a ceasefire, rather the West will be back to supporting them......

 

[NA71]

Nikial Sector, LOC

AN Indian Army's Drone was conducting a reconnaissance flight, spying over Pakistani posts, got jammed and brought down.

 

[PK781]

Nikial Sector, LOC

AN Indian Army's Drone was conducting a reconnaissance flight, spying over Pakistani posts, got jammed and brought down.

shouldve blown it up in the sky! lol

 

[White Privilege]

This tactic of downplaying does have a downside to it, Indians understand this now that they can control the escalation ladder, and attack Pakistan conventionally after any/every attack on its soil, We have seen a steady but consistent change in Indian posture since 2016, from rthe famous "Surgical Strike", to cross border firing, from Balakot strikes to large scale Operation sindoor, each time Indian did something more intensity and more consequence, they know that Pakistan will never preemtively attack India as a smaller nation, so they will always control the escalation ladder, if things are going their way, they will continue and its things are not going their way, they will ask for ceasefire but for the internal audiance they will deny.

As for Pakistan, whether we do good or bad, we will stop when the enemy wants us to stop, either by begging for ceasefire or just a DGMO call. We could've end this whole cycle by doing a much larger damage and providing every evidence we have to international media, drawing a clear red line, establish a deterrance, but instead now we have this talwaar on our heads that whenever there is a attack in India we will have fear of war over Pakistan.

Dil ki baat kehdii....shehzadey......

I have also consistently argued that Indians know that Pakistan will not resort to nukes, and thus can attack Pakistan at their discretion. They have come to this conclusion when we did not fire back at the sight of Brahmos launch in 2022, so nukes out of question, may be after this current constitutional changes this will change, Indians also don't not like this amendment a bit, perhaps it does reinforce our nuclear posture by giving Munir the nuclear button too.

I have also argued that Indians will only relent when they fear large scale damage, perhaps such that will set them back economically, only then their won't be an 'attack' that galvanizes the Indian blood thirst.....

 

[falcon34]

Thukai tu huwi no doubt, but we were unable to present satellite images to the world which gave a chance to India for face saving

Yar you have Google maps Jao aur Zara Delhi aur dosri installations ko check you will get your answer

 

[falcon34]

@Panzerkiel does nasr missile have any role left?
Has it been replaced by abdali?.

 

[White Privilege]

jab tak dushman ko poora sabaq nahi sikhainge aur unki economy ka bera gharak nahi kerainge, they will keep doing this shit.
I dunno when our duffers in charge will get this in their thick heads....right now they(india) pretend nothing happened and the losses that occur are not enough to deter them from buying more equipment and coming again for REVENGE.

The biggest mistake was to show restraints, as we can see there is no shortage of countries/companies willing to sell them more weapons for money, bcaz of their so-called economy which we did not damage at all.........the big big mistake was leaving that economy hubs untouched.......i just hope it does not cost us dearly the next time......why? BECAUSE they WILL NOT show any restraints when they have a upper hand......and they won't even go for a ceasefire, rather the West will be back to supporting them......

If Indians get wise, first thing they will do is start setting aside money each year, as a 'war wastage fund', for Sindoor 2. May be they will have $ 7-8 billions set aside for it eventually. We should also get our calculators out and start with it. Count all the expenditures incurred , directly and indirectly, multiply that by hundred , that is the amount of damage we should do to them, only such a harsh equation will get through their thick sanghi skulls.....

 

[KingQamaR]

How long does it take PAF to scramble JC10s/ F16s fighters in air once incoming hostile aircraft alarm goes off?