Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

Something to laugh about....

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Actually, if you look at how they have ALWAYS awarded kills in the past - that pattern matches exactly.

S-400s fired at targets including potential false returns/weather phenomenon = S-400s hit.
C-130 seen with fire (and it took debris damage) next to it = X-130 lost
Dome damaged at 1 radar from hard kill debris (unless @side-winder knows otherwise) = 4 radars lost

Where they did get actual damage in and exaggerated from there:
Sargodha Runway damages = yes - airfield operational = also yes.
Bholari - Hangar hit - aircraft damaged now in final repairs.
Murid = Hangar with tow trucks and 1 UAV = C2 center levelled.
Sukkur = UAE Hubara Bustard facilities hit = Frontline PAF base levelled.
J'bad maintenance hangar hit with 1 tow truck and 2 pigeons nesting in roof = F-16s lost

 

[Oscar]

our side's problem is the "wait and the time of our place and choosing to revenge" type cuck bullshit, bcaz we won't have that option in future. The WEST is already back at supporting india (selling them everything) and that includes the americans.

Actually, that is part of the reason that the F-16s are on hold but also part of the reason is more "siyasi" in personalities.

 

[flyingorca]

Actually, if you look at how they have ALWAYS awarded kills in the past - that pattern matches exactly.

S-400s fired at targets including potential false returns/weather phenomenon = S-400s hit.
C-130 seen with fire (and it took debris damage) next to it = X-130 lost
Dome damaged at 1 radar from hard kill debris (unless @side-winder knows otherwise) = 4 radars lost

Where they did get actual damage in and exaggerated from there:
Sargodha Runway damages = yes - airfield operational = also yes.
Bholari - Hangar hit - aircraft damaged now in final repairs.
Murid = Hangar with tow trucks and 1 UAV = C2 center levelled.
Sukkur = UAE Hubara Bustard facilities hit = Frontline PAF base levelled.
J'bad maintenance hangar hit with 1 tow truck and 2 pigeons nesting in roof = F-16s lost

C-130 was untouched. The angle at which the video was taken made it appear like the wing was on fire.

 

[maxpane]

Actually, that is part of the reason that the F-16s are on hold but also part of the reason is more "siyasi" in personalities.

is usa still holding the parts of f 16s? if its true then we should move away from f 16s.

 

[ustaad]

"Pakistan ke paas Baykar drones hain toh kia hua, India ke paas uss se kahin zyada Baykar pilots hain"
-- Saien Qaim Ali Shah

 

[Oscar]

is usa still holding the parts of f 16s? if its true then we should move away from f 16s.

No - everything is available and shipped as needed.
However, its now Ex-Works as a figure of speech.

What is important is that what the PAF asked for in the past can be made available but the delivery timeline along with mixed situation in US government - along with frankly mostly equivalent systems available from China(and potentially Turkey soon) is making PAF hedge its limited funds.

 

[Oscar]

C-130 was untouched. The angle at which the video was taken made it appear like the wing was on fire.
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Some small flying pieces did hit it - but nothing that put it out of commission.
Point is - unlike pilots on the ground tending to their wrecked aircraft - PAF lost no aircraft in the air and the Saab while a Class C damage is going to be in the fleet.


Unfortunately - for both IAF and PAF - expensive standoff weapons have proven less effective than much less expensive well equipped terrorists in destroying/damaging PAF assets.

 

[side-winder]

Something to laugh about....

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wonder how their undercommand feel knowning their top commanders are just habitual liars.

2019 - "Abhinandan didn't come and say i shot the F-16, we credited him with the kill because there was no one else in the area".

@1:03:30

Basically, we forced the claim down Abhinandan's throat to make up lies for bakhts.

 

[ustaad]

You have to preempt it. As soon as there is warning, you go on the offensive. We cannot be doing "we have a right to respond" and manage the escalation ladder....
You destroy TELs and main CM depots preemptively and launch your own LM and go as far deep as possible.

Exactly. Since we have the prelude, not once but twice so it would be within our rights and duty to preempt any misadventure.

 

[Yasser76]

They have very low bar for kill claims, globally this is known amongst other air forces, but yeah, as members have mentioned, just so cringe a senior officer puts his name to this BS or what forced to put his name to this BS.

For me the sentence of Defence Minister Asif nailed the argument, lets both line up our planes and count them. Indians still not admitted any losses 18 months later.

Only place these clowns are taken seriously is by a few weirdos on social media and on here...

 

[ACE OF HEARTS]

Unless the economy improves, it's like scraping the bottom of the barrel.

The enemy is 10 times stronger In economy and have a 3 times stronger military.

We can hit every corner of the enemy's land but is that cost effective? Their land mass is huge, atleast 7 times bigger and we have a limited number of arsenal to throw at the enemy.

Assuming that our soldier is better 1.5- 2 times than the enemy, but their shear number can overwhelm us turning into a battle of attrition.

The focus should be on increasing the resources to fund military expansion as soon as possible but democracy is coming In between / hindering it.

The advantage we have today maynot last forever. So we should first secure the source of our water In Kashmir first.

Simla agreement should be thrown in the dust bin if the enemy will use it to take Pakistan's water away and make us dry, without firing a bullet.

The sooner we act and reclaim Kashmir, the better.

 

[Maarkhoor]

 

[Ali_Baba]

Capability wise most drones have caught up with Bayraktar TB2, but what is interesting is the effect the reputation that Bayraktar has on people as seen here.

 

[rafale]

Actually, that is part of the reason that the F-16s are on hold but also part of the reason is more "siyasi" in personalities.

@Oscar F-16s on hold due to PAF itself or on hold due to USA?

 

[rafale]

Actually, if you look at how they have ALWAYS awarded kills in the past - that pattern matches exactly.

S-400s fired at targets including potential false returns/weather phenomenon = S-400s hit.
C-130 seen with fire (and it took debris damage) next to it = X-130 lost
Dome damaged at 1 radar from hard kill debris (unless @side-winder knows otherwise) = 4 radars lost

Where they did get actual damage in and exaggerated from there:
Sargodha Runway damages = yes - airfield operational = also yes.
Bholari - Hangar hit - aircraft damaged now in final repairs.
Murid = Hangar with tow trucks and 1 UAV = C2 center levelled.
Sukkur = UAE Hubara Bustard facilities hit = Frontline PAF base levelled.
J'bad maintenance hangar hit with 1 tow truck and 2 pigeons nesting in roof = F-16s lost

@Oscar I noticed you have mentioned weather phenomenon multiple times in the same context with S-400s.........why is this an issue?

I mean, a modern AD system would have radars capable enough to differentiate between weather phenomenon and actual returns, no? Especially the high GHz range they operate at?