Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

Talking of which, does anyone actually know what 19 Sqd does at Bolhari with the 13 odd F-16ADFs there? Scramble has it down as the official F-16 OCU but how do pilots go from this

ADF Cockpit

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To this

Block 52 Cockpit

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Flight characteristics - many common startup, flight and emergency procedures

 

[falcon34]

Looks like the army just unveiled the D-248 with 3000km range, this bears resemblance to the Indus defens expo


@Panzerkiel can we expect soft reveals like that for BMs and CMs
F-3 and F-4
One thing is for sure Bombay, Bangalore, Calcutta and Chennai and all of Southern and northeastern india will feel the heat

 

[Oscar]

In years gone by you’ve had a soft spot for the US and I can’t understand why ?
Isn’t withholding the bulk of our F16 order and mothballing it in the Navada dessert only to compensate us for soya beans enough reason to see who they really are. Moments after the “cease fire” trump was rearming India there were literal rows of c17s parked on the tarmacs of the enemy .
The F-solahs are a liability yaara. We can’t really be too adventurous with it without getting a slap on the wrist.

I can also ask why is withholding aircraft on sanctions based on the US setting rules well prior to this a problem. At the end, its also about how effective the weapon system was for Pakistan - exactly how much fear it sowed that they still fantasize about shooting it down.

So - where you see US love I see a very effective weapons system that until the J-10C(and even then not) has no great replacement for the amount of value it brings.

 

[PK781]

Easy, you want to lose 25% of our combat force because America treated us badly in the past, if everyone did that there would be no F-16s flying anywhere.F-16s are here to stay, they will be 2nd line for sure, but still more potent then the Mirages and F-7PGs

as long as the F16s are not sitting duck targets in a bvr environment, sure.
Otherwise the americans will see their prized fighters disappear in next BVR war as it wont be a light squirmish anymore.....its actually in their interest to upgrade them otherwise the end of F16 as a product if it gets a bad name due to the Rafales

 

[side-winder]

@Oscar I noticed you have mentioned weather phenomenon multiple times in the same context with S-400s.........why is this an issue?

I mean, a modern AD system would have radars capable enough to differentiate between weather phenomenon and actual returns, no? Especially the high GHz range they operate at?

The weather phenomenon is predominant when it comes to drone warfare with characteristics like slow speed and weak SNR on track. Thus, the radars can confuse bird activity or weather phenomenon with low rcs and slow moving drones and vice versa.

Then you can tally the weather data with track data to validate whether it is indeed a valid target or not. e.g you would check the presence of clouds and wind direction and wind speed to tally with the movement, speed and height of track.

However, for fighters and large body aircrafts, you usually get solid tracks - again characterized by high speed, high SNR and distict flight profile and flight path.

Now add to it the facts that they were particularly firing S400s in a certain zone and this was a repeat episode and not just one odd incident.

So i believe, they were trying to do something deliberately and terminating own missiles mid flight (amritsar ones) which totally defies reasoning. lol

 

[Oscar]

So i believe, they were trying to do something deliberately and terminating own missiles mid flight (amritsar ones) which totally defies reasoning. lol

Darra Dhamka rahe thay?

 

[rafale]

I dont think spares were the motivation to buy them, but as you say, seems like a rushed order. They have no commonality with the 45 MLUs and 18 Block 52S.

My guestion was more around going from a 1980s cockpits to a very modern one and of course the radar/missile combo is lacking on them too. Unsure how well they are suited for OCU. Better off just using them to guard Afghan/Iran border

Yes you are right, they can still CAP and also provide low level anti-coverage......why waste MLU flight hours when ADFs can do side winder sorties?

 

[Cipher212]

Something to laugh about....

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Ridiculous

Talking of which, does anyone actually know what 19 Sqd does at Bolhari with the 13 odd F-16ADFs there? Scramble has it down as the official F-16 OCU but how do pilots go from this

ADF Cockpit

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To this

Block 52 Cockpit

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It's like you fly the old 6 pack 172s and get your hands on one with the Garmin panels. Still the same plane, flies exactly the same. Good to put hours on the shitty older models to save the newer ones.

That seems to be the only practical purpose for those unupgraded F-16s.

 

[Be dazzled]

Heavy drone and counter drone activity ongoing in several sectors.

 

[Oscar]

Heavy drone and counter drone activity ongoing in several sectors.

Just probing.

 

[TsAr]

Its a wide range of hills. Even if there is any nuclear stuff. It would be miles inside the mountain where no overhead bombing can do any damage. Hitting any random part of barren hill is like smashing your head against the wall.

Some of their analysts said they were aiming for the entrances, they did acknowledge that India does not have the capability to hit the nuclear warheads.

 

[TsAr]

wonder how their undercommand feel knowning their top commanders are just habitual liars.

2019 - "Abhinandan didn't come and say i shot the F-16, we credited him with the kill because there was no one else in the area".

@1:03:30

Basically, we forced the claim down Abhinandan's throat to make up lies for bakhts.

Habitual besharams..... Their Vice Chief who was leading the south western command said on podcast that be lied to his chief during sindoor.

 

[TsAr]

The weather phenomenon is predominant when it comes to drone warfare with characteristics like slow speed and weak SNR on track. Thus, the radars can confuse bird activity or weather phenomenon with low rcs and slow moving drones and vice versa.

Then you can tally the weather data with track data to validate whether it is indeed a valid target or not. e.g you would check the presence of clouds and wind direction and wind speed to tally with the movement, speed and height of track.

However, for fighters and large body aircrafts, you usually get solid tracks - again characterized by high speed, high SNR and distict flight profile and flight path.

Now add to it the facts that they were particularly firing S400s in a certain zone and this was a repeat episode and not just one odd incident.

So i believe, they were trying to do something deliberately and terminating own missiles mid flight (amritsar ones) which totally defies reasoning. lol

Panic attack.... Or trying to portray that Pakistan was trying to target the golden temple

 

[Watandar]

Panic attack.... Or trying to portray that Pakistan was trying to target the golden temple

They are still nervous about the Sikhs and so your Golden Temple false flag theory is the more likely explanation. I did a search online and sure enough , Indian media published stories accusing Pakistan of targeting the Sikh Golden Temple.

Pakistan’s drone and missile attacks targeting the Golden Temple in Amritsar were thwarted: Indian Army

Pakistan attempted to target Golden Temple with drones and missiles, but Indian Army successfully thwarted the attacks.

www.thehindu.com

 

[Maarkhoor]

Capability wise most drones have caught up with Bayraktar TB2, but what is interesting is the effect the reputation that Bayraktar has on people as seen here.

Usage especially who we will employ, RAFALE is far ahead of J-10 C but implantation and kill chain make the difference.