Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Be dazzled]

Usage especially who we will employ, RAFALE is far ahead of J-10 C but implantation and kill chain make the difference.

Not in every domain. J10 is a serious capability upgrade for PAF. Only block 3 comes close.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Not in every domain. J10 is a serious capability upgrade for PAF. Only block 3 comes close.

Agreed but if you compare with RAFALE and so called their software system and missiles J10 could easily on papers some what inferior to so called European tech.

 

[Bratva]

@Oscar I noticed you have mentioned weather phenomenon multiple times in the same context with S-400s.........why is this an issue?

I mean, a modern AD system would have radars capable enough to differentiate between weather phenomenon and actual returns, no? Especially the high GHz range they operate at?

On a related note.

Bad weather aborted Op Sindoor strike on Skardu: Ex-CDS Chauhan​

Giving details, he said Pakistan reached out to India at around 10 am on May 10 for talks. It was around this time that the IAF sought clearance to strike the Sargodha air base. “The Air Chief asked me whether we should strike Sargodha. I said, ‘Go ahead’. I said, ‘Please identify two more targets’. So one of the targets he identified was Skardu,” the former CDS said.

https://dailypioneer.com/news/bad-weather-aborted-op-sindoor-strike-on-skardu-excds-chauhan

 

[Yasser76]

And how can they will guide 1000 km BVR to its target? unless it will has some kind of satellite terminal guidance which is currently not feasible with current technology or near future technology unless some kind of miracle/ breakthrough will come online in near or far future, you can't change the physical prosperities of the Earth with technologies ever

This is my point, you are going on about "current technologies", Chinese out of nowhere almosty came out with DeepMind and 6th Gen planes.

Lets wait and see what happens in next 10 years, especially now with the help of AI

 

[Yasser76]

Flight characteristics - many common startup, flight and emergency procedures

So seems like a lot of the actual weapons and tactics work will be ff loaded to the operational squadrons then right? (BVR fighting, Sniper pod, air to ground, recce training etc)

 

[maverik]

C-130 was untouched. The angle at which the video was taken made it appear like the wing was on fire.
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ye jisne video le k upload ki foran foran uski sharif lal kerni thi but i bet nothing happend to that bastard

 

[NA71]

On a related note.

Bad weather aborted Op Sindoor strike on Skardu: Ex-CDS Chauhan​

Giving details, he said Pakistan reached out to India at around 10 am on May 10 for talks. It was around this time that the IAF sought clearance to strike the Sargodha air base. “The Air Chief asked me whether we should strike Sargodha. I said, ‘Go ahead’. I said, ‘Please identify two more targets’. So one of the targets he identified was Skardu,” the former CDS said.

https://dailypioneer.com/news/bad-weather-aborted-op-sindoor-strike-on-skardu-excds-chauhan

Did he mention anything like " policy of restraint" ....just asking for knowledge.

 

[Aghor Warrior]

Panic attack.... Or trying to portray that Pakistan was trying to target the golden temple

DG ISPR also presented selectively edited clips from Indian media channels during press briefings to claim that the Pakistan Army and Air Force had inflicted significant damage on Indian military installations. In reality, the original reports (from channels Aaj Tak and India TV) showed Indian anchors discussing damage inflicted on Pakistani airbases and military sites by Indian strikes. By cutting the clips out of context and omitting the parts that clearly referred to Pakistan, the presentation created the false impression that Indian media itself was admitting destruction of Indian assets.

 

[NA71]

Ex CDC went further and said next attack orders were given ....two targets ... Saghoda and skardu......even this could be a statement for local audience .....but have some serious concerns also about their future plans....

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[PK781]

Ex CDC went further and said next attack orders were given ....two targets ... Saghoda and skardu......even this could be a statement for local audience .....but have some serious concerns also about their future plans....

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nope its not for local audience, theyre narrating their plans.
While our side, they're sleeping and silent, a little too busy in iranian affairs and kissing upto Trump but not getting much in return

 

[Be dazzled]

Ex CDC went further and said next attack orders were given ....two targets ... Saghoda and skardu......even this could be a statement for local audience .....but have some serious concerns also about their future plans....

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Total bull. They ran to the Americans for a ceasefire within hours if anything. Rest is hogwash.

 

[TheThirdFaculty]

I can also ask why is withholding aircraft on sanctions based on the US setting rules well prior to this a problem. At the end, its also about how effective the weapon system was for Pakistan - exactly how much fear it sowed that they still fantasize about shooting it down.

So - where you see US love I see a very effective weapons system that until the J-10C(and even then not) has no great replacement for the amount of value it brings.

What if you can’t fly the machine to its full potential like on a strike mission across the border because every sortie you fly is audited by the supplier how is that even effective in war time? It’s like buying a car on credit . The stipulations on the contract is you can’t exceed 60MPH when it’s capable of 120 you can’t drive too far out of the neighbourhood you live in .
The whole thing about the enemy’s mental health / delusions doesn’t really bother me.
I’ll say this The Pakistan armed forces historically has never gone in for the kill this includes in both war time and in procurement .

 

[Boeing_172]

The weather phenomenon is predominant when it comes to drone warfare with characteristics like slow speed and weak SNR on track. Thus, the radars can confuse bird activity or weather phenomenon with low rcs and slow moving drones and vice versa.

Then you can tally the weather data with track data to validate whether it is indeed a valid target or not. e.g you would check the presence of clouds and wind direction and wind speed to tally with the movement, speed and height of track.

However, for fighters and large body aircrafts, you usually get solid tracks - again characterized by high speed, high SNR and distict flight profile and flight path.

Now add to it the facts that they were particularly firing S400s in a certain zone and this was a repeat episode and not just one odd incident.

So i believe, they were trying to do something deliberately and terminating own missiles mid flight (amritsar ones) which totally defies reasoning. lol

Maybe trying to threaten/deter PAF from attacking inside India and trying to keep them at bay.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Total bull. They ran to the Americans for a ceasefire within hours if anything. Rest is hogwash.

During press conference these two suppose to be spokesperson from Indian armed forces themselves told in press conference that they don't want any further escalation.

 

[flyingorca]

You guys do not know how important these pictures are. This basically means every single S-400 9M96 debri that Indian military fan boys were labeling as Fatah 1 now proves not a single Fatah 1 or 2 was intercepted by Indian AD. No debri means no interception. At most they were successful at intercepting A-100 which is non maneuverable MLRS and drones.



S-400 9M96 Missile




Fatah-1