Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Faceless]

Even if they did not parade it(let's say for ceasefire's sake) - the basic aspect of ANY conspiracy theory is that the more people are involved the more it gets to leak.

Let's say Abhinandan was kept completely quiet - at some point - some video of him would leak.

Exactly some grainy footage of hospital where he/she was being treated at, the local first responders who found him/her would have definitely leaked, some loudmouth from the media would have definitely been atleast blabbering about something.
All in all there definitely would have been some smoke, and the complete lack of such smoke seems to suggest otherwise

 

[Cash gk]

Exactly some grainy footage of hospital where he/she was being treated at, the local first responders who found him/her would have definitely leaked, some loudmouth from the media would have definitely been atleast blabbering about something.
All in all there definitely would have been some smoke, and the complete lack of such smoke seems to suggest otherwise

That sounds like a Bollywood movie—where a girl loses her jet, ends up in enemy territory, and then falls in love with a simple village boy who saves her. Lol."

 

[casualhero]

so what will india do now that their god Rafaels have fallen. try to get F35 or Su57?

 

[The SC]

We congratulate Pakistan on this victory
This tactical military performance and the plan
This is the difference between fighting with armies that have armament and do not have preparation, qualification nor planning

This war teaches the meaning of integration..
The weapon is not about its value or the name of the state that makes it
The weapon is in its importance and need for it

Who believes that the Indian weapons are junk..should know that the defect in reality is in the brain

Because the Indians used the finest weapons of drones, fighter planes and cruise missiles, and satellites.. And the best air defense technology, EW disturbance and radars..

But the opposite side, Pakistan, studied, trained and planned to deal all together with this superiority.. And it succeeded..

From training its crews on air combat and Medium flight on light aircrafts
Pakistan managed to compensate for its air defense through fire density
High confusion and the use of its weapons with high efficiency..

Who believes that the Pakistani Naval Corps are weak and will not be able to confront the Indians at sea.. does not know much.. Because the Pakistani naval weapons are much better and superior by a generation to the Indian navy..
It is not about numbers .. Rather, it is the ability to hit from behind the horizon..and this is what China provided Pakistan with..

We are in front of a new global pole; China today is creative in war manufacturing..I took from the east and west and merged them together and added its own technologies..

The ability of missiles, jamming and evasion comes as the basic element..
Swarm attacks via Suicide and intelligent drones is what will change the rules..

 

[Oscar]

Exactly some grainy footage of hospital where he/she was being treated at, the local first responders who found him/her would have definitely leaked, some loudmouth from the media would have definitely been atleast blabbering about something.
All in all there definitely would have been some smoke, and the complete lack of such smoke seems to suggest otherwise

That also goes for all other aspects of claims to counter claims.
Be it air to air kills(where you have everything from electronic data that suggests something happened), Aerial visuals from your own pilots(difficult in BVR) and then various accounts from your own military or ground sources(not always reliable) and then other intel.


So you can claim kills based on electronic signatures and various accounts( 2019 Abhinandan was total proof but Su-30 was electronic and RT proof but nothing definitive from Humint in the fog of war - so cannot be proven or unproven especially since PAF did not have access to space assets on demand as it does now).

Today, BDA is also a mix of satellite and other aspects - PAF not showing proof for S-400 strikes it may have electronic "proof" of could be anywhere from the aspect of Satellite passes taking anywhere from an hour to two - and these are mostly "outsourced" systems so they follow a Non-ideal orbit for surveillance over India whereas India has more assets that allow for better coverage of Pakistan.

Which also means let assume for the benefit of the doubt a S-400 system(with 10+ components in the battery or more) was hit in ONE component - an hour is enough time to move such a component out of the way or at least the remaining to system to alternative dispersal sites.

Either way, the only TRUE accounts of these emerge when a Kaiser Tufail or Hopefully an Indian counterpart writes on these events.

The danger for saner minds is NOT who scored more - but how QUICKLY the escalation ladder went up and out of control in the fog of war - based on what I have heard - gave me goosebumps and it should give you a lot as well.

 

[Gripen9]

Rafale's spectra libraries are now fully updated i thnik.

00000000000 KILROYWASHERE 000000000000000

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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[The SC]

Pakistani military press conference on the air battle between Pakistan and India:
Pakistan had 42 fighter planes in the air, and none of them were caught.
As for India, it had 72 combat aircraft, 5 of which were shot down (3 Rafale aircraft, 1 Su-30MKI, 1 Mig-29).

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[Cash gk]

The U.S. statement distancing itself from Pakistan-India tensions may have been a strategic test to assess Pakistan’s stance in the shifting world order. As a nuclear-armed nation with strong ties to China and the Muslim world, Pakistan’s stability is vital for regional security. When the U.S. realized Pakistan was gaining the upper hand in the conflict—delivering a decisive blow to India—it abruptly pushed for a ceasefire at India’s request. This reaction highlights Pakistan’s strategic importance: its alliances (especially with China) and military capabilities make it an undeniable force. Any major shift in Pakistan’s position could disrupt the global balance, which is why powers like the U.S. intervene to contain escalations

 

[Gripen9]

That also goes for all other aspects of claims to counter claims.
Be it air to air kills(where you have everything from electronic data that suggests something happened), Aerial visuals from your own pilots(difficult in BVR) and then various accounts from your own military or ground sources(not always reliable) and then other intel.


So you can claim kills based on electronic signatures and various accounts( 2019 Abhinandan was total proof but Su-30 was electronic and RT proof but nothing definitive from Humint in the fog of war - so cannot be proven or unproven especially since PAF did not have access to space assets on demand as it does now).

Today, BDA is also a mix of satellite and other aspects - PAF not showing proof for S-400 strikes it may have electronic "proof" of could be anywhere from the aspect of Satellite passes taking anywhere from an hour to two - and these are mostly "outsourced" systems so they follow a Non-ideal orbit for surveillance over India whereas India has more assets that allow for better coverage of Pakistan.

Which also means let assume for the benefit of the doubt a S-400 system(with 10+ components in the battery or more) was hit in ONE component - an hour is enough time to move such a component out of the way or at least the remaining to system to alternative dispersal sites.

Either way, the only TRUE accounts of these emerge when a Kaiser Tufail or Hopefully an Indian counterpart writes on these events.

The danger for saner minds is NOT who scored more - but how QUICKLY the escalation ladder went up and out of control in the fog of war - based on what I have heard - gave me goosebumps and it should give you a lot as well.

From what you heard, were we still keep up with the escalation if not dominating it?

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Another deal

 

[RafaleSlayer]

na man, Aberjit helped in Swift Retort. should cut him some slack.

helped who? he just identified the engine cowling correctly

 

[Cash gk]

Here is an interesting and concerning musing, can someone respond?

1. IND used Brahmos and BMs for strikes which are to be seen by PK as nuke strike.
2. PK didn't see it as nuke strike and didn't respond with a nuke attack.
3. This can be interpreted as IND testing PK's resolve and called it a bluff. IMO they are testing how much they can get away with and betting that even if they cross all red lines there will be no nuke response.
4. Question is what exact threshold needs to be crossed before PK retaliates with a nuke strike?
5. What if next time IND uses BMs to strike some of PK's nuke stockpiles? Will that be a threshold. If not then what will be and what will be the purpose/utility of the deterrent?

Now another matter. In the same vain of point 3, if Pakistan deploys battlefield nukes on IND troops even in IND territory, IND will NOT come good on their full scale nuke strike in response. The Indians have gambled and won as per point 3, time for PK to gamble and win too. It's at this point a game of balls.

Very very important point

 

[Bratva]

That also goes for all other aspects of claims to counter claims.
Be it air to air kills(where you have everything from electronic data that suggests something happened), Aerial visuals from your own pilots(difficult in BVR) and then various accounts from your own military or ground sources(not always reliable) and then other intel.


So you can claim kills based on electronic signatures and various accounts( 2019 Abhinandan was total proof but Su-30 was electronic and RT proof but nothing definitive from Humint in the fog of war - so cannot be proven or unproven especially since PAF did not have access to space assets on demand as it does now).

Today, BDA is also a mix of satellite and other aspects - PAF not showing proof for S-400 strikes it may have electronic "proof" of could be anywhere from the aspect of Satellite passes taking anywhere from an hour to two - and these are mostly "outsourced" systems so they follow a Non-ideal orbit for surveillance over India whereas India has more assets that allow for better coverage of Pakistan.

Which also means let assume for the benefit of the doubt a S-400 system(with 10+ components in the battery or more) was hit in ONE component - an hour is enough time to move such a component out of the way or at least the remaining to system to alternative dispersal sites.

Either way, the only TRUE accounts of these emerge when a Kaiser Tufail or Hopefully an Indian counterpart writes on these events.

The danger for saner minds is NOT who scored more - but how QUICKLY the escalation ladder went up and out of control in the fog of war - based on what I have heard - gave me goosebumps and it should give you a lot as well.

The disappointment is not that they hit our bases. It was given Brahmos saturation attack will happen. It will overwhelm our AD. It did happen. But the barge came with Drones, SCALP and other missiles.

The disappointment is their AD handled our saturation attack better than us. Drones, Fatah Missiles. Also we didn't send our Tier 1 cruise missiles towards them, only the conventional missile strikes. The psychological impact that Indian missiles created on us, it was limited for them.

Their investment on AD has paid off. Our investment on AD was recent and we have held our ground decently but it needs to be expanded. Layers upon layers has to be created like the Indian AD.

Plus our drone warfare response kinda sucked too. Where is that SARKASH 1000 KM drone GIDS were touting ? Indians overwhelmed us with drones all over Pakistan while Pakistan were unable to do that as their low level AD were neutralizing our drones in large quantity

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[Gripen9]

Very very important point

Pakistan did not react when a Brahmos "accidently" landed in Pakistan back in 2022?

Apparently Indians are boasting on SM that India hit Pakistan's Nuclear storage facility at Kirana Hills that leaked radiation we didn't see any heightened or out of the ordinary reaction from Pakistan all things considered.