Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[gamaji]

still going by keith ?

why not uddin or ullah ?

Why not Keith? Contrary to the case with Indians, he at least has intellect and dignity.

 

[Abid123]

To be fair to the COAS, now it’s on to the economy. If his team can get the economy going, it will be like Deng’s famous quote, white cat or tabby cat, as long as it catches mice. This is probably how most of the public feels, despite their desire for a dignified democratic system.

If they truly want it they can make this country economically prosperous.

 

[Sharma Ji]

Manmohan and Vajpayee were leaders of stature and visionaries in contrast with Modi. And, no, they didn't 'appease' Pakistan but they were pragmatic and wanted peace. They followed the previous leaders like Indira Gandhi to make relative peace with China while also, at least since the early 90s, got closer to America. Smart strategy and worked well for India as the Indian economic growth and threat perception from China decreased.
Modi has ruined all that by unnecessarily heating the frigid mountains of the Himalayas. China had not much interest in confronting India but was provoked by Modi's 'muscular' foreign policy. Those of us who have a long presence on PDF know how the Indian members used to ridicule Pakistan's reliance on China. It is all there in the old PDF's posts pre 2016 era. But Modi changed all that.

Was talking about the US nuke deal and India's pivot into the US sphere of influence there, not Pakistan.

Yes, but, MMS got thrust into it when the people had actually voted for a family with a glorious legacy.

but matriarch lady cant speak proper Hindi, she a "gori" / outsider to many, even if she has their much sympathies etc..

so she wisely chose to deploy someone else to the frontline in the form on MMS Ji the lovable soft spoken surd.

Vajpaye was something else, literally a poet, last of the old guard

but he got stabbed in the back by Mushy sb

and that was basically the thing that broke the old guard and new jazbati nationalists like Modi took inspiration from..

2 wickets down for not many on the board, out walks Modi with the bat (you following ?)

so anyway.. there's better explainers online, but siyasi scene wise, barring the fauj's involvement, idhar bhi has always been shaky.. anyway

that's my 10 rupees worth

 

[Sharma Ji]

Callsign : ShitShow

 

[Sharma Ji]

Vajpayee, Advani .. both died regretful

k unki Ayodhya rath yatra led to it

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[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

Can we somehow get this guy to post on the forum, maybe he or they are reading.

not that I can say I always understand them, but this handles tweets make for fantastic reading



GUYS, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A PIVOT AWAY FROM ALL THIS MISSILE INVENTORY AND OTHER CONVENTION WARFARE TALK, CLEARLY JUST THE STUFF WE SEE, BUT A LOT MORE IMPORTANT DEVELOPMENTS ARE IN THE BACKGROUND

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Some very good points from Thomas Keith tweet :

The war didn’t end. It went dormant, quieted, not concluded. The spectrum remains live. What unfolded was not a border skirmish, but a battlefield simulation, proof that the wars of the past are dead and the wars of the future are already underway. Pakistan did not simply repel aggression. It revealed a doctrine, one rooted not in brute strength, but in signal control, electromagnetic denial, and narrative preemption. This was not a victory of jets over jets, but of latency over presence. What comes next depends on whether Pakistan completes the grid it has begun to shape, a sovereign kill web built not for escalation, but for insulation from escalation. A doctrine that doesn’t respond to attack, but erases the possibility of one ever forming.

To build this, Pakistan must stop thinking in inventory and start thinking in architecture. The first node in this architecture is a platform that doesn’t currently exist in its arsenal: a dedicated airborne electronic attack aircraft. The J-16D, China’s Growler analogue, is not a fighter, it’s an electromagnetic disruption vector. With internal jamming suites, SEAD payloads, and active radar denial pods, it is designed not to engage targets, but to delete them from the engagement sequence altogether. Without such a platform, Pakistan is forced to blind India from the ground up. With it, the grid is severed mid-air. Radar sites go dark. Targeting pods lose lock. S-400 fire control nodes dissolve before they process threat vectors. Air superiority becomes spectrum denial.

But seeing first is even more important than firing first. And in the spectral domain, the ability to see without being seen is absolute power. That is the logic of passive radar, systems like the YLC-29 or Vera-NG that detect aircraft by monitoring their own emissions, without ever transmitting a signal. These systems do not participate in war. They haunt it. Stealth fighters, jamming drones, loitering munitions, all become visible the moment they speak. Passive radar turns India’s own equipment into a liability. It completes the surveillance loop without becoming part of it. Positioned across Punjab, Sindh, and Balochistan, these passive nodes would allow Pakistan to build a network of silent vision, watching without blinking, tracking without betraying location, and seeing every platform India launches the moment it breathes.

Strategic deterrence doesn’t only come from ISR and electronic denial. It comes from forcing the enemy to think twice. Pakistan must now consider the one platform that renders naval aggression obsolete before it manifests: a hypersonic area-denial missile. A DF-17-style glide vehicle with Mach 5+ terminal velocity doesn’t need to be used. It only needs to be known. The mere presence of such a system, deployed from coastal nodes near Gwadar, Pasni, or even inland from hardened launchers, would force Indian carrier groups to remain hundreds of kilometers away. It shifts strategic calculations. It delays deployments. It creates psychological terrain. Hypersonics are not about escalation. They are about hesitation.

But wars will not be fought by capital ships alone. They will arrive in clouds: drone swarms, loitering munitions, reconnaissance UAVs, soft-kill saturation assets. India is already investing in this volume. Pakistan must answer with intelligence, AI-synchronized swarms that deceive, distract, and degrade. Domestic CH-901-style loitering munitions, or co-developed Turkish KARGU variants, must be built for not just precision strike but system exhaustion. Their job is to drain enemy attention, burn through interceptors, jam channels, and spoof early warning systems. These are not drones. They are narrative distortion fields in flight. They do not win wars with explosions. They win them by being everywhere, until nothing is trusted.

All of this requires unification. Without a tactical data link grid, a sovereign, encrypted, low-detectability mesh binding fighters, drones, satellites, AWACS, and naval assets, Pakistan’s architecture remains fragmented. The JF-17 Block III may speak, but the rest of the network must learn the language. This is not a communications upgrade, it is a doctrinal spine. One drone finds the target, another tracks, a third fires, a fourth confirms, and a fifth broadcasts the evidence. This is what fifth-generation war looks like: distributed execution, centralized perception, and signal superiority.

The orbital layer remains the least understood but most decisive domain. Pakistan’s current satellite infrastructure, Paksat-1R for comms, PRSS-1 for EO surveillance, marks only the beginning. What is now needed is a sovereign ELINT and SAR-capable constellation in low-earth orbit. This means sniffing radar signatures, tracking troop heat maps, logging comms relays, and creating a real-time electromagnetic map of both eastern and maritime theaters. Space is no longer a frontier. It is the architecture of perspective. Without it, India sees first. With it, Pakistan sees what India thinks it has hidden.

Even with all of this, J-16Ds, passive radars, hypersonics, AI swarms, orbital ISR, the doctrine collapses if the human layer is untrained. War in the spectrum is war in ambiguity. Blackouts, spoofed signals, GPS loss, cyber-disrupted comms, false telemetry, these are not anomalies. They are the norm. Pakistan must build AI-driven EW and 5GW simulation grids that train warfighters to operate in exactly this entropy. Pilots must fly into jamming, not around it. EW teams must react to signal confusion with precision, not panic. Cyber operators must exploit soft systems under informational camouflage. The new battlefield is cognitive. The margin is muscle memory.

Cyber capabilities cannot remain undeveloped. Pakistan must field offensive units capable of targeting India’s logistics chains, power grids, telecommunications, and military databases,not with brute force, but with asymmetrical digital disruption. SCADA systems, underwater cable landings, satellite link spoofing, maritime AIS manipulation, and social-engineering botnets must be brought under operational doctrine. On the defensive side, military infrastructure must be insulated from zero-day exploitation through hardened firmware, strict airgapping, and protocol denial layering. In a spectral war, attribution is often more dangerous than impact. Which is why cyber must not just be deployed,it must be deniable, repeatable, and irreversibly sovereign.

The final pieces are already within reach. Platforms like the J-35AE, stealthy, long-range, networked, transform presence into ghost logic. The KJ-500 is not just AWACS; it is airborne orchestration. The DK-10 provides mid-range denial that collapses aerial corridors without needing permanent deployments. Chinese microwave CIWS units turn drone swarms into vapor. These aren’t purchases. They’re thresholds. They’re what separate modern warfighting from strategic irrelevance. When these platforms are fused into a single kill web, tactically resilient, spectrally aware, cognitively trained, Pakistan won’t just be defending itself. It will be shaping the battlefield from the signal level upward.

India will continue to fight for visibility. More Rafales. More op-eds. More satellite photos released in the aftermath. That’s fine. Let them. Pakistan’s war is not fought in the open. It is fought in denial, of detection, of escalation, of narrative terrain. The next war will not begin with missiles. It will begin with a spectral shift, a signal drop, a silence that grows. And by the time India realizes what’s happened, the command window will already be closed.

This is obligation, not ambition. Protocol, not parity. Spectral supremacy. Sovereign 5GW. The window is narrowing.

 

[PK781]

Certainly world has not forgotten the raping, looting "tribal" force which Pakistan unleashed on Kashmiris, nor has it forgotten the raping and looting in Bangladesh in 1971

Killing kids, women and weak is Pakistan's army MO. Indian army ghar main ghus ke maarti hai...

Muslims never do such things even when in war. We always adhere to our Quran and Sunnah as best we can.
Whatever happened at that time in 1971, it was indians and their-locals. Yes you sold that propaganada to the Hasina-fans for decades.......but hey look.......that's come off permanently. Bangladesh is changing fast and growing, and guess what, you guys will now bear the brunt from both East and West.
The final day of reckoning comes closer and you ain't gonna like it. EVERYTHING will be avenged rightly so, with the help of Almighty Allah.
God works in mysterious ways and NOBODY can challenge HIM. Prepare to pay the price of the sins of the past soon.
Remember it was Pakistan(one country). When they join hands together again, the wrath will be enormous for you to tolerate.
Your country is now on a path of implosion from within. I see Khalistan and other smaller independent nations within getting independence soon. Any actions you take now will only add to the timing of that.

 

[Sharma Ji]

all that while, this one Narendar was watching from the shadowjj

 

[Sharma Ji]

Forged in the fires of communal discord's hell

 

[SABRE]

Vajpayee, Advani .. both died regretful

k unki Ayodhya rath yatra led to it

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Advani is alive though

 

[Sharma Ji]

Advani is alive though

oh shite, 4rls ?

 

[r3alist]

Pakistan needs India more than India needs Pakistan because of the reason of existence is "Not India". Maybe Pakistan should name itself "Not India"

Says the guy on a pdf


How about define yourself as not on pdf. Thanks.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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Some very good points from Thomas Keith tweet :

The war didn’t end. It went dormant, quieted, not concluded. The spectrum remains live. What unfolded was not a border skirmish, but a battlefield simulation, proof that the wars of the past are dead and the wars of the future are already underway. Pakistan did not simply repel aggression. It revealed a doctrine, one rooted not in brute strength, but in signal control, electromagnetic denial, and narrative preemption. This was not a victory of jets over jets, but of latency over presence. What comes next depends on whether Pakistan completes the grid it has begun to shape, a sovereign kill web built not for escalation, but for insulation from escalation. A doctrine that doesn’t respond to attack, but erases the possibility of one ever forming.

To build this, Pakistan must stop thinking in inventory and start thinking in architecture. The first node in this architecture is a platform that doesn’t currently exist in its arsenal: a dedicated airborne electronic attack aircraft. The J-16D, China’s Growler analogue, is not a fighter, it’s an electromagnetic disruption vector. With internal jamming suites, SEAD payloads, and active radar denial pods, it is designed not to engage targets, but to delete them from the engagement sequence altogether. Without such a platform, Pakistan is forced to blind India from the ground up. With it, the grid is severed mid-air. Radar sites go dark. Targeting pods lose lock. S-400 fire control nodes dissolve before they process threat vectors. Air superiority becomes spectrum denial.

But seeing first is even more important than firing first. And in the spectral domain, the ability to see without being seen is absolute power. That is the logic of passive radar, systems like the YLC-29 or Vera-NG that detect aircraft by monitoring their own emissions, without ever transmitting a signal. These systems do not participate in war. They haunt it. Stealth fighters, jamming drones, loitering munitions, all become visible the moment they speak. Passive radar turns India’s own equipment into a liability. It completes the surveillance loop without becoming part of it. Positioned across Punjab, Sindh, and Balochistan, these passive nodes would allow Pakistan to build a network of silent vision, watching without blinking, tracking without betraying location, and seeing every platform India launches the moment it breathes.

Strategic deterrence doesn’t only come from ISR and electronic denial. It comes from forcing the enemy to think twice. Pakistan must now consider the one platform that renders naval aggression obsolete before it manifests: a hypersonic area-denial missile. A DF-17-style glide vehicle with Mach 5+ terminal velocity doesn’t need to be used. It only needs to be known. The mere presence of such a system, deployed from coastal nodes near Gwadar, Pasni, or even inland from hardened launchers, would force Indian carrier groups to remain hundreds of kilometers away. It shifts strategic calculations. It delays deployments. It creates psychological terrain. Hypersonics are not about escalation. They are about hesitation.

But wars will not be fought by capital ships alone. They will arrive in clouds: drone swarms, loitering munitions, reconnaissance UAVs, soft-kill saturation assets. India is already investing in this volume. Pakistan must answer with intelligence, AI-synchronized swarms that deceive, distract, and degrade. Domestic CH-901-style loitering munitions, or co-developed Turkish KARGU variants, must be built for not just precision strike but system exhaustion. Their job is to drain enemy attention, burn through interceptors, jam channels, and spoof early warning systems. These are not drones. They are narrative distortion fields in flight. They do not win wars with explosions. They win them by being everywhere, until nothing is trusted.

All of this requires unification. Without a tactical data link grid, a sovereign, encrypted, low-detectability mesh binding fighters, drones, satellites, AWACS, and naval assets, Pakistan’s architecture remains fragmented. The JF-17 Block III may speak, but the rest of the network must learn the language. This is not a communications upgrade, it is a doctrinal spine. One drone finds the target, another tracks, a third fires, a fourth confirms, and a fifth broadcasts the evidence. This is what fifth-generation war looks like: distributed execution, centralized perception, and signal superiority.

The orbital layer remains the least understood but most decisive domain. Pakistan’s current satellite infrastructure, Paksat-1R for comms, PRSS-1 for EO surveillance, marks only the beginning. What is now needed is a sovereign ELINT and SAR-capable constellation in low-earth orbit. This means sniffing radar signatures, tracking troop heat maps, logging comms relays, and creating a real-time electromagnetic map of both eastern and maritime theaters. Space is no longer a frontier. It is the architecture of perspective. Without it, India sees first. With it, Pakistan sees what India thinks it has hidden.

Even with all of this, J-16Ds, passive radars, hypersonics, AI swarms, orbital ISR, the doctrine collapses if the human layer is untrained. War in the spectrum is war in ambiguity. Blackouts, spoofed signals, GPS loss, cyber-disrupted comms, false telemetry, these are not anomalies. They are the norm. Pakistan must build AI-driven EW and 5GW simulation grids that train warfighters to operate in exactly this entropy. Pilots must fly into jamming, not around it. EW teams must react to signal confusion with precision, not panic. Cyber operators must exploit soft systems under informational camouflage. The new battlefield is cognitive. The margin is muscle memory.

Cyber capabilities cannot remain undeveloped. Pakistan must field offensive units capable of targeting India’s logistics chains, power grids, telecommunications, and military databases,not with brute force, but with asymmetrical digital disruption. SCADA systems, underwater cable landings, satellite link spoofing, maritime AIS manipulation, and social-engineering botnets must be brought under operational doctrine. On the defensive side, military infrastructure must be insulated from zero-day exploitation through hardened firmware, strict airgapping, and protocol denial layering. In a spectral war, attribution is often more dangerous than impact. Which is why cyber must not just be deployed,it must be deniable, repeatable, and irreversibly sovereign.

The final pieces are already within reach. Platforms like the J-35AE, stealthy, long-range, networked, transform presence into ghost logic. The KJ-500 is not just AWACS; it is airborne orchestration. The DK-10 provides mid-range denial that collapses aerial corridors without needing permanent deployments. Chinese microwave CIWS units turn drone swarms into vapor. These aren’t purchases. They’re thresholds. They’re what separate modern warfighting from strategic irrelevance. When these platforms are fused into a single kill web, tactically resilient, spectrally aware, cognitively trained, Pakistan won’t just be defending itself. It will be shaping the battlefield from the signal level upward.

India will continue to fight for visibility. More Rafales. More op-eds. More satellite photos released in the aftermath. That’s fine. Let them. Pakistan’s war is not fought in the open. It is fought in denial, of detection, of escalation, of narrative terrain. The next war will not begin with missiles. It will begin with a spectral shift, a signal drop, a silence that grows. And by the time India realizes what’s happened, the command window will already be closed.

This is obligation, not ambition. Protocol, not parity. Spectral supremacy. Sovereign 5GW. The window is narrowing.

A good read. The PAF and PN must acquire the aforementioned platforms at any cost. It's a recipe to save your women and children from the rapist and terrorist Hindutva Yajuj and Majuj by HIS PERMISSION.....

 

[SABRE]

oh shite, 4rls ?

97 not out