Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[r3alist]

I have given credit to the Indian workforce where it was due. But how does that prevent the Pakistani workforce from replacing them eventually especially given the civilizational ties? How does a country like India which is inherently against the Arab Palestinian a long term benefit to the Arab world while the Pakistan is inherently pro the Arab world.
What you and others here are missing is the potential future: Pakistan ups its game in education and talent and tap into the natural affiliation with the Arab world. Why shouldn't Pakistan do that? And, yes, one day the Arab street can become strong enough to exert itself. And I can already tell they are very vocal in supporting Pakistan in the ongoing conflict with India and I bet many of them have significant positions in their respective societies and they could influence hiring, firing and contracts and businesses; you are taking 'the street' part too literally, my friend.

Yes, I definitely believe that if Pakistan produce lots of top tier talent, top-tier products and even some innovation then Arabs will be the first to purchase, and I personally think Pakistan should not ever sell

But, I think you should perhaps seek out an Arab perspective on this, when it comes to business matters they are far more secular and pragmatic,

 

[Jazzbot]

A real mature party, will simply look to learn recalibrate and go again next time with more efficacy.

PTI, do they not pride themselves on being a more capable bunch?

Maa Sadkay.

A party's entire mandate was completely robbed off while entire top 3 tiers leadership behind bars on false charges. And yet we have geniuses who are suggesting PTI to forget all of it, to learn and recalibrate.

What kind of mother of all fockery is this?

 

[mythbuster]

@maverick sb

Now you need a leader who can take the nation to war, which i can't help with

I suppose the one who could, is cooling his heels in Adiala jail?

Regards

Maju ....he is not bright enough to understand what you just did to him.

 

[Jazzbot]

for all this shouting of Corruption, you have been able to prove a 10K SAR case against NS. But yes, you will then say that those judgements are fake. On the other hand, all watch and corruption cases, goGi running away, Buzdar doing appointments for bribes, Saqib nisar running away with Dam funds, is all ploy against IK in your books.

the guy was the biggest laadala ever of Establishment and he did the same and worse in his own time, when it comes to going after his opponents. I have yet to see PMLN doing things that IK did, like picking up oppnents' daughters and throwing them in a death cells on fake cases, or making fake narcotics cases on them, or holding them up from offering funerals of their family members (and mocking them for it), or joining hands with dictators like Musharraf, to try and hang an elected PM. He called Army chief the 'father of nation' and offered Lifetime extension to Gen. Bajwa. And now he's claiming to be anti Establishment. Tomorrow he will do the same again , 100% guaranteed.

PTI president is someone that IK called "Punjab's biggest dakoo'. Yet you people have the audacity to call others corrupt.

No, its people like you who are the problem. You are busy in cult following without holding your own leader accountable for his corruption, and abuses of legal system. If you wanna blame others then hold your own leader accountable first and the talk about others. We are glad to be rid of that weasel, things are getting better and you can all keep hugging the pictures of your 2 faced leader all you want, nobody cares.

So you think IK is the corrupt one while NS is a saint?

I rest my case buddy, you win. I cannot argue with a patwari.

 

[Path-Finder]

This is partly why I'm getting sick and tired of the PTI

I like I.K, he always did his best for Pakistan and I hope he gets out and lives his life in peace

But the PTI is simply not fit to be anywhere near power in Pakistan, I think the state was right to put it's foot down, these people are dangerous for the country in this form and outside of IK, none of them are trustworthy

We desperately need a new political system, our parties are rubbish with the same faces for decades on end


Democracy isn't right for Pakistan, the politicians are poor, the parties and rubbish and the population are easily led idiots

We need a China type system to bring gradual order and change



Democracy would have destroyed China and allowed it's enemies to control the country and people through lackeys
It's only the one state Chinese system that China was able to achieve what it has

It's the same for Pakistan

you are right PTI, Mooed, Adil were the reason why everything is wrong in Pakistan. they can they be behind 1971 too!

 

[El Sidd]

WoW.

And PMLN, PPP, JUI, MQM, ANP are fit to be in power in Pakistan, even after decades of corruption and what not.

You lot is the reason behind all the problems we have in Pakistan.

Also worth noting that every tom, d!ck and harry is easily associated with PTI when it suit you. When was Moeed Pirzada ever part of PTI in any capacity? But likes of Hussain Haqqani, Nasir Butt etc. are always fine even though they had been or are active members of PPP / PMLN.

What hypocrisy is this?

Can PTI coordinate internal upheaval in Pakistan with Operation Sindoor? The 2.5 front war of late Bipin.

Elements like Adil Raja, Imran Riaz, Moeed Pirzadda are ready to for it.

Maybe PTI can work closely with election partners PTM and BNP and say this is hinduan vs punjabian. Republic TV was quite adamant that Pakistan army is basically a sunni punjabi army with no support from other provinces.

Revolutionaries from Karachi like @newb3e have already offered to work lasers guiding Indian bombs.

 

[RescueRanger]

This is a military discussion - please take politics to the politics thread.

 

[Jazzbot]

you are right PTI, Mooed, Adil were the reason why everything is wrong in Pakistan. they can they be behind 1971 too!

They are most likely behind the birth of these brain dead patwaries as well.

 

[r3alist]

Pakistan


This!!!!!!!...........forget trying to curry favour with the gulfis, NO good will come from it. Just develop and make Pakistan strong and successful in all fields. If we can develop our military to the point it can batter, subdue and castrate an enemy that is 7× bigger than us and has the FULL backing of the west, america, israel and russia then we can DEFINITELY develop our economy to that extent too. That's what us Pakistanis should be working towards.

You may well try and see Arab States try and cooperate a bit more militarily with Pakistan, perhaps hoping to glean some insight

Forget rent seeking perspectives, the gaping enormous gigantic low-hanging fruit is collaboration with China, but you have to be able to have some basics in place to become an effective partner of the Chinese, otherwise they are not interested. Also, language is a barrier, which further reduces the scope of broader collaboration

Perhaps, rather than trying to hide army influence, maybe it might be an idea to just go full army civilian hybrid in the open, by encouraging the army to extend any competence and technological expertise into the broader economy and therefore making them deeper stakeholders, after all many many companies have been found with an initial military purpose or military personnel, and it looks like the Pakistan army has some relevant and modern technological capabilities

 

[Baibers_1260]

@maverick sb

Now you need a leader who can take the nation to war, which i can't help with

I suppose the one who could, is cooling his heels in Adiala jail?

Regards

We in India HAVE a leader who will take us to war and win it. So let's see what happens in Round 2

 

[RescueRanger]

We in India HAVE a leader who will take us to war and win it. So let's see what happens in Round 2

A sign of stunted growth.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

And yet, that's exactly what you've done, shown zero covariance!! lol like I said, don't confuse correlation with causation, the mother of all fallacies. It's not me that's making up bullshit about not showing satellite pics as part of a ceasefire agreement that apparently only you have seen!

hey, I cannot understand, what is your problem, have you gone out of your home lately? you seem mentally deranged and retarted and fantasy with bullshit is on another level, have you had bullshit in your break fast today?!!!!

Zero covariance (close yet so far!) here implies, all the sources are have shown, no satellite images of the damage caused to Indian bases, hows that not volatile (duplicit?!!!), even more so, when they have 'independent' analysts all the time?!!!!

re. causation, zero covariance throws indepdence out of the window and bullshit smacked in your face!

 

[Path-Finder]

And Establishment has fixed their biggest mistake by robbing entire election in worst rigging in the history of Pakistan.

Now that all the decades old, tried and tested, reliable and certified crooks are back at the helm, thanks to the Establishment - I hope you are finally happy that Establishment has not only fixed their biggest mistake but has done the country a huge favor.

What would you call this master stroke by Establishment? Biggest Achievement?

What I will add is, The policy of Musharaff that brought us suicide bombings and the his predecessors who brought us various debacles = Responsible is PTI and few dissident people.

 

[El Sidd]

This is a military discussion - please take politics to the politics thread.

pardon my inglis sarr but hybrid warfare include political science.

 

[Master Chief]

Just to clarify on Ayodhya:
Neither the Archeological Survey of India in its excavation report, nor the Supreme Court in its decision mentioned any Hindu or Sanatani temple on the disputed site, Excavations revealed no idol fragments or carvings normally associated with temple demolitions. The temple site is not mentioned in any of the writings by medieval Hindu seers or writers most important of all Tulsi Das himself who translated the Ramayana. The excavations revealed faint traces of some sort of pre-existing structure possibly Jain or Buddhist which deteriorated into ruins and collapse dated ot an era much before the arrival of Babar
The Ramayana is a poem written by Valmiki and the original Vedas written thousands of years before the Ramayana make no mention of Lord Ram or even his earlier incarnation of Vishnu,
Ayodhya was settled by the Supreme Court on the issue of public belief and sentiments, not on legal jurisprudence.

The compensation of "land for a mosque " given to Muslims is irrelevant because the Muslims never asked for a compensation. As such the mosque has not been built because the district administration has rejected all architectural plans submitted and there is little likelihood of that ever happening.
Babri Masjid was not the only mosque demolished. Thousands of new mosques have been demolished all over the country either through so-called communal riots or bulldozed by the government as "punishment ".

The individual you have comprehensively refuted and responded to is aware of the realities that you have so eloquently described.

However, note his now standardised attempted diversion and mitigation of this key feature of hindutva policy. The mythology used to support hindutva's aggressive actions against Muslims of the subcontinent has been a covert and overt threat since the teachings of Golwalkar (and earlier). Individuals like our very own sharma simply provide a smokescreen for the harsh realities of the subcontinent, realities that Jinnah understood well.

We are reassured that ram mandir is not relevant to the topic at hand, however, it categorically is one of many examples that effectively illustrate why we fight on multiple fronts against the saffronist nexus to our east.