Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Is this shift in Indian policy?
Previously they were chanting to take it by force
OR
They are afraid Pakistan might take iiok by force now

Source BBC news
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Indian Def Minister latest warning during speech today, he said we are coming to take Pakistan Azaad Kashmir ...all kashmiris should be ready ...there should be no doubts in mind....
 
Meengla said:
Indians bringing China factor maybe an attempt to scare the West into supporting India more as well as belittling Pakistan's own effort but that attempt also surely is not good for the Indian morale and will to fight Pakistan because China is a big scare in India. I think those of us in the old PDF 10+ years ago may remember how Indians would rubbish China's help to Pakistan because 'India gives China huge trade benefits'.
But the situation is very different from 10+ years ago. And hopefully, the China factor along with the lack of diplomatic support to India recently will make even Modi backpaddle on the IWT and come to some reasonable compromise with Pakistan, otherwise, it is a bleak situation for India on Kashmir.
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You can call it their deep seated hatred / insecurity that they are willing to accept this defeat at hands of China rather than Pakistan. And to make it more hard from them Pakistan is Muslim majority country on top of every other thing.

With all due respect to Chinese, their culture, their work and ethics and thank you for their support, but this always was a partnership between a poor friend with knowledge and expertise and a rich friend with money, clout and resources. Pakistanis who keep raising slogans of China come to our help, China this China that .. are insecure lot who do not respect their countrymen.

Anyways, I remain surprised, how little indians know their region and how they keep failing to read it properly. May be a downside of having a huge population but then again China also has a huge population, it is something to do with their culture.

To be honest I wish for BJP government to continue for another decade or so, yogi should be the next one in place of modi. I would like them to leave so much work and damage control to be done by the Congress that they don't get a chance to think about Pakistan or harming its interests.
 
I*R*A said:
With all due respect to Chinese, their culture, their work and ethics and thank you for their support, but this always was a partnership between a poor friend with knowledge and expertise and a rich friend with money, clout and resources. Pakistanis who keep raising slogans of China come to our help, China this China that .. are insecure lot who do not respect their countrymen.
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Pakistan was part of the Western alliance or at least a 'client state' for most of Pakistan's history and thus greatly benefited from the Western tech, especially in defense, as well as from training and all that was top-notch. Indian leaders stupidly chose the losing Soviets after the Partition in 1947.
 
This poor Indian channel trying hard to convey to the Modi followers the various failures of India's beligerent policies. Starting to watch this video and it seems Modi is calling off the military phase of Operation Sindoor as completed and the next phase of the Operation Sindoor is on people's level through growth and development. Quite a meaningful twist! English captions available.

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TAC said:
Heaven forbid if we had lost 6 jets to them in this humiliating way, I wouldn’t dream of going on a Indian Defence Forum to try argue that we somehow ‘won’ and to do my coping via, ‘look at my satellite image’, ‘ we only lost 1 Ra-fail not 3, ‘we dominated on the 10th’, ‘Air power is no longer relevant’, ‘We’d do much better in a full war’ ——they are the definition of shameless 🤡’s.
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I have been having the same thoughts for a while!


When OBL raid happened, I was so embarrassed I didnt even go on this forum for a few days. We are talking about 6 potential planes here! Indians have completely no shame, to add to their list of lying and brigadier character!
 
Meengla said:
Pakistan was part of the Western alliance or at least a 'client state' for most of Pakistan's history and thus greatly benefited from the Western tech, especially in defense, as well as from training and all that was top-notch. Indian leaders stupidly chose the losing Soviets after the Partition in 1947.
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One may argue that Indian chose the more reliable partner between the two. One which is more closer and anchored geographically .

No country can match Russian/Soviet dedication to India. They soured their Chinese relations for India.
 
Be dazzled said:
No wonder why he smells like a rat these days.
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For you and couple of others on this thread, I was Pakistani even before you were born. So shut it.

Traditional PDF think tanki. I did not expect any better from this version of PDF, they still dish out titles based on favoritism.
 
Now tell me ....can you win an argument with people like him......

I guess he is pointing out PAF victory....

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NA71 said:
Indian Def Minister latest warning during speech today, he said we are coming to take Pakistan Azaad Kashmir ...all kashmiris should be ready ...there should be no doubts in mind....
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A rational state would reflect on its failure, not compound it. It leads to delusional victory speeches like this:
NA71 said:
Now tell me ....can you win an argument with people like him......

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We congratulate his pilots, especially those 3 ra-FAIL pilots for intercepting and destroying the PL15s.

Gay HIND!
 
TAC said:
Heaven forbid if we had lost 6 jets to them in this humiliating way, I wouldn’t dream of going on a Indian Defence Forum to try argue that we somehow ‘won’ and to do my coping via, ‘look at my satellite image’, ‘ we only lost 1 Ra-fail not 3, ‘we dominated on the 10th’, ‘Air power is no longer relevant’, ‘We’d do much better in a full war’ ——they are the definition of shameless 🤡’s.
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The thing is, the indians can afford to lose 6 or more planes, we can't. Heck, look at their atrocious attrition rate. They are willing to take losses for their misadventures. Given the numerical disparity, any loss is magnified on our side.

That's why it's important to learn how to deal with losses, to regroup, and to maintain a credible offensive capability. If you look at the israelis, they came near to defeat in 67 and especially 71, but their psychology of warfare allowed them to absorb losses and eventually gain victory. Why? because they repeatedly learnt from their mistakes, and in order to achieve that you must first accept you made mistakes. This is where the indians will never learn!

Pakistan needs to examine in fine detail where it made mistakes in this recent conflict - and yes, there were mistakes. If you look at the PAF's response in 2025 vs 2019, you'll notice significant changes. I won't go into too many details, but the fact that the Viper fleet took the backstage this time is a good hint. There has been a seismic shift in the Pak military psychology ever since 1999, partly driven by the WoT, but also through some quite decisive steps taken by the military leadership. They have accepted to recognise their mistakes, learn, and adapt, it's simple evolutionary survival of the fittest.
 
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