Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Right!!
The guy you quoted is perhaps envisioning an Iran-Iraq 1980s war or the World War I and II waves of forces. But let's look at Kashmir's geography: Hilly and heavily wooded. A person can literally cross the LoC on a foot bridge. Or 200,000 volunteers willing to die could cross using temp bridges from many locations under the artillery cover of Pakistani Army. Fortunately or unfortunately, there are hundreds of thousands of Pakistani civilians living in the north who have been involved in mountain warfare for almost 5 decades. And behind the enemy lines are the millions of Kashmiris who are surely alienated from India.

Absolutely do-able. It will be a blood bath. But it will settle the issue, once and for all.
Pakistan has to be careful here, Banking on the Kashmir Valley population to support an invasion has backfired in 1947-49 and again in 1965 leading to heavy losses. The Valley Kashmiris are a lot different from the Azad Kashmiri population, and perhaps the Line of Control is not just a military demarcation but also a cultural, ethnic and linguistic demarcation.

In fact if India had stuck to its secular inclusive agenda, giving cultural space and state level rights it gives to all other states and territories Pakistan would have had zero to negligible support amongst the population. A stark reminder of this status is the situation in IOK in 1972.
NOW, however the situation has dramatically changed because Kashmir is no longer viewed as a territorial dispute but as part of a larger Hindu-Muslim conflict where the fate of the Kashmiris in India is no different from that which is in store for Indian Muslims.

It is an interesting comparison of the attitude of the Indian Muslims versus Kashmiri Muslims in India as it was until 1990.

Indian Muslim viewpoint:
- Until 1992 the Indian Muslims were firmly of the belief that Kashmir as a Muslim majority region was a guarantee of secularism in the rest of India as the population in this sensitive border region adjacent to Pakistan and China could not be alienated. Ironically this was the viewpoint of all the centrist and left wing political parties in India including the ruling Congress Party and all left wing and regional political parties.
Muslims therefore enthusiastically supported India's stance and even volunteered to join the armed forces and serve while stationed in Kashmir.

- Kashmiri Muslim viewpoint:
The Indian Kashmiris were least bothered about the status of their wretched uneducated poverty stricken slum dwelling Indian Muslim brethren, being far more prosperous, educated, healthy and culturally secure than their Indian Muslim counterparts. Article 370 gave them near autonomy and Kashmiris enjoyed privileges in admission to professional education throughout India as well as exclusive rights to jobs and business within Kashmir. They had no fear of communal riots like their Indian Muslim counterparts. With huge subsidies distributed over such a small population their prosperity was at a level far above any of the states in India. So it was not surprising that Kashmiris viewed Indian Muslims as an embarrassment because the so-called Indian Muslim leadership had done little towards improving the lot of their constituents. Kashmiris felt culturally much closer to their Kashmiri Hindu counterparts than Indian Muslims. Which is WHY Kashmiris did not welcome or encourage Indian Muslims to settle or work in Kashmir even in Jammu where an influx would have shifted the demographics somewhat,

ALL this would change from 1990 onwards with the rise of Hindutva in the rest of India. Even by 1992 Kashmiris were so insular ( behind Article 370) that there were no protests over the demolition of the Babri Masjid on December 06, 1992. That is a date that has re-defined not just India but the fate of Kashmir, Pakistan and Bangladesh as well.
 
Good introspection thread about our delayed response, strategic paralysis during 8th and 9th and too late too little response which emboldened India

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+ @Sharma Ji

I am serious about Pakistan taking back Indian Occupied Kashmir except the Hindu majority areas in Jammu. The way the successive Indian govts have been behaving for decades leaves very little other choice unless there is a big change of policies in India. I know, I know you'd start the same old 'terrorism' blame on Pakistan but I have no doubt that the Pahalgam attack was either a False Flag by India or some rogue element who had nothing to do with the state of Pakistan. But the Indian over reaction shows a clear long term strategic policy on Kashmir and to counter that Pakistan will have become proactive.
So, yes, Indian Occupied Kashmir can be taken back militarily! And to that end, Pakistan should start massive mobilization of heavily armed civilians to form militias which would cross into IoK with some help from the Pakistani military while the bulk of the Pakistani Army would guard the International Border with tactical nukes as last resort. The militias would be voluntary and there is no shortage of armed manpower in Pakistan, especially in the north, who would sacrifice their lives to secure Pakistan and Kashmiris rights.
As to the quoted part: I think both countries wanted de-escalation. Both are going to rearm and regroup for the next war.
I get the sentient here, sir.

but ni hona, kaddi ni ona

apna apna hissa rakh lo

haanth milayen..

silsila khatam krein once and for the in the of the all

jung bhi hamari fusss.. ek do din k aerial kaarnamey, nobody give much evidence

Valley Kashmiris dont want either, from what I know, and i do know
 
Wow - do we know what type of bombers?

Shows you how important base defence is, even if you think the aircraft are safely stored in the rear.

Check this

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This is what indians dream and claim to do on Pakistani bases while in reality this happened in Russia

Also where is S400?
 
Yes in Switzerland, the Swiss clean toilets.

The question is not how many Indian illegals are there, the question is why are they there?


Keep it up!.. you and country men can never give a straight answer ..

Thanks for confirming your own age…

No wonder even US doesn’t support India v Pakistan

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We should have prepared potential operation as soon as we got intelligence a strike was imminent and start retaliation immediately
 
India will always need massive armed force presence because of border with Pakistan.
And no, Pakistan can not give them anything they want. Neither independence nor prosperity.
And if sending large number of untrained folks was so successful, it would have bore fruits by now.
Not to mention, India has a trump card against all of Pakistan's strategies. That is attacking Punjab. Moment Pakistan's Punjab is threatened war changes. Happened in 1965. Will happen now too.

Not everything is measured in 'prosperity' and $$. Had it been, then the Palestinians wouldn't be dying for their 'cause' and be content to be subjected to the peace and relative prosperity under the Israeli occupation. In case of Kashmiris, too, they must be watching with alarm what's happening in Modi's India and must be alarmed by Modi's duplication of Zionist policies in Kashmir; when a population fears it would turn into a minority in its own land then it will fight bitterly for its rights.
BTW, this bringing $$ shows exactly the reason why the Indian foreign policy has so spectacularly failed during this recent conflict: India thought all enduring alliances could be made using $$. Such a Banya (merchant) mentality!!

About the reference to 1965: You are surely living in a past that has become irrelevant in modern warfare!!
 
See how G@bar Arya crying in another way he is accepting defeat but need to listen full.

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He is right.

Indecisiveness and minor thought paralysis at upper echelons of civilian government were Pakistan's biggest problems. Civilian leadership was never clear in their own minds about how far India was prepared to go "up the escalation ladder" and hence was caught in stick vs twist on a couple of occasions, despite having military dominance at several key junctures.

However, this should never have been an issue.

The mere fact that IAF sent 70+ warplanes to open the engagement immediately indicated their intention was to seize aerial dominance and then seize land. The escalation "ladder" was in fact a red herring and hardly existed at all - perhaps it comprised two steps max - hot war and nuclear war.

On 7th May, we were in a hot war, which we were winning thanks to PAF aggression and a solid defence from PA and PN. Had the civilian leadership accepted this fact in their own minds, I don't think our foots would have come up from the throats of our enemies.

It is a lesson for the future. Full civil and civilian mobilisation, mentally and physically, is now a must.
 
Why are indians so hypocritical that when they sponsor Terrorism in balochistan it is ignored and they say Balochis deserve freedom and then when some kashmiris commit a terrorist act unrelated to Pakistan with zero evidence of link they blame it on Pak and world believes them?
 
@ Bratva

true, this is why I keep saying that this enemy deserves a "no restraints" response. With the escalating tactics and weaponry used by them such as Brahmos, and their threatening lingo, next time the "restraint" will be very very costly and it will be a Forced escalation where the ladder won't even exist and Pakistan would have to use its nukes to sustain its existence. I am fed up of this timid cuck responses by our leadership who very frequently "tie the hands" of PAF, PA and PN.
**** the restraints and go full throttle, that's how u win wars. Not by being a cuck who doesn't want to escalate things. Next time the Delays in response and Waiting to choose a time/place would be deadly for Pakistani civilians as well as our bases.
Any "leader" that wants restraints should not be occupying such posts and should go do farming instead.
 

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