Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

The problem is that General Chauhan assures us casual armchair observers that it is not the number of downed jets that matters, but why they were downed.

If jets are downed, as we now know to be the case (despite Indian denials and obfuscation hitherto), pilots may well have been killed. DGISPR told us on 12th May that no pilots were in Pakistani custody. If we had any temporarily, evidently, they were already repatriated to India prior to this statement. Nobody knows what state any pilot may have been repatriated in, alive/injured/dead.

If we are to go by Chauhan's suggestion that numbers don't matter and extrapolate that to pilots, then India as a nation and as a people needs to do some serious introspection.

What surprises us casual forum goers is the apathy from Indians towards these now reasonable questions about HUMAN losses.

Are your pilots so damned expendable to your nation in pursuit of setting Karachi port ablaze or blowing up our damns or some other hindutva fantasy, that nobody is asking BJP the simple question: since Chauhan has now confirmed the loss of material, can the nation kindly be informed of any loss of pilots?

The way I see it, constant mythology-level denials create a box with ever shrinking walls. Modi put himself in this box - it isn't your problem. Indian people do owe it to their armed forces to demand precise answers about the fate of their pilots, so at the very least, the nation can pray for their injured or grieve their lost ones. The answers given to you hitherto are ambiguous: "all pilots are home". This is a vacuous statement. "Are those pilots dead or alive?" is the next natural question. We are constantly told that the Indian armed forces are true servants of the people, so prove it by standing up for them and asking the simplest of questions to your government.
You raised some good points.

Its time the Indian institutions introspect and hold the BJP accountable on the tangent they are taking Indian polity towards.

The media, journalists, academia, public figures were vying for Pakistani blood and celebrating the death of innocents at mosques and seminaries. In addition, the abeyance of IWT which essentially is water terrorism did not gather any opposition from Indians either.

That tells you the spiral the Indians have gotten themselves into.
 
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Significance: This is a home of S400, count the smoke clouds and observe the observer's location.
 
That’s the difference between India and Pakistan and it is for good. Defence forces don’t control things in India. And the democracy in India has always done good for us inspite of ups and downs.
Both the nations were created at the same time with Pakistan under military rule for the most part and we all know where it stands in terms of all development matrices.

Indian military knows its place and would never dare to try and grow beyond their show size and play a role that they don’t need to.
typical parroting, rote learning and regurgitator mindset
 
My take is that, CDS Gen Chauhan comes across as a thorough gentleman and wants improvements within his institution.

He has also rightly and indirectly called out the politicians and the role they played in this saga.

The Indians have to pay heed to these gentleman, one to stop the army being taken for a ride by BJP sloganeering and two to take corrective measures by the Indian army to tackle emerging threats.
 
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good morning! see you in 10 hours
 
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LOL! :ROFLMAO:

Now I am pretty sure that you will say, "Pics or video" etc etc etc.

The same guy that said 2 F16 are down and pilots are captured? Sure !!
 
This is false. Indian military did not deny any loss even as early as May 11th. And 3 weeks since has confirmed downing of jets.

Interestingly, you folks are not asking PAF for their loss of AWACS as Bholari was hit, a Sq Leader and four more PAF personnels was martyred and a retired Air Marshal also talked about damage to AWACS on that base.
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Or she never took part in the attack as she is posted else where on eastern side.

You continue to repeat the same nonsense over and over acting like we don't know what happened in Bholari. The information about awac was shared by many posters with the extent of damage that was sustained.

There is nothing hidden about the depot level damage that brahmos was able to cause in that hanger and the casualties happened because the team was working on that awac for some time, it was under maintenance for quite some time.

This is repeat of same old bullshit by Indian side about the F16 that we supposedly lost in 2019, it is the same bullsit of Indian air FART claiming to down mirage squadron in 1971.

So continue with more of your bullshit if that helps you at night.
 
Pakistan on Monday rebuked the recent remarks made by Indian leadership saying that they reflected a deeply troubling mindset that prioritised hostility over peace.

The Foreign Office issued a statement today after a flurry of antagonistic statements made by Indian leaders, including one made by the Indian Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson on May 29 where he stated that talks on the Kashmir dispute will only be held “when Pakistan hands over [Azad Jammu and Kashmir] to us”.

Responding to the antagonistic remarks, FO spokesperson Shafqat Ali Khan said, “Any attempt to portray Pakistan as the source of regional instability is divorced from reality.

Read more: https://www.dawn.com/news/1914948/
 
You continue to repeat the same nonsense over and over acting like we don't know what happened in Bholari. The information about awac was shared by many posters with the extent of damage that was sustained.

There is nothing hidden about the depot level damage that brahmos was able to cause in that hanger and the casualties happened because the team was working on that awac for some time, it was under maintenance for quite some time.

This is repeat of same old bullshit by Indian side about the F16 that we supposedly lost in 2019, it is the same bullsit of Indian air FART claiming to down mirage squadron in 1971.

So continue with more of your bullshit if that helps you at night.
Watch your language please
 
That’s the difference between India and Pakistan and it is for good. Defence forces don’t control things in India. And the democracy in India has always done good for us inspite of ups and downs.
Both the nations were created at the same time with Pakistan under military rule for the most part and we all know where it stands in terms of all development matrices.

Indian military knows its place and would never dare to try and grow beyond their show size and play a role that they don’t need to.
I put it to you that India, in its entire 75 odd years of existence, has never once understood what "democracy" is. Your populace remains wholly ignorant and misled by your leadership - BJP is worse than Congress, admittedly, but both have used lies and propaganda to mislead and to destroy rational discourse. The populace remains mostly oblivious to the true machinations of the state and happily shuffles along in a perpetually dalitised state, simply regurgitating state propaganda and proudly "defending" national interest by way of violent subjugation and disenfranchisement of those who hold a counter-narrative.

A nation where a grieving widow of a serviceman Is subjected to immediate rape threats for simply asking citizens to respect one another and remain united in the face of a (supposed) external threat cannot, by any measure, be regarded even as a mature civilised nation state, let alone one where democracy flourishes in its truest sense. Where is the rational discourse, the logic, the evidence-based argumentation? I quote but one of many, daily examples of the failure of democracy in Hindustan.

On the contrary, vote banking and democratic processes in The Secular Republic have been manipulated and hijacked by the ethnoreligious demagoguery of populism. There is only one direction this trajectory can now take.

The same stupefied frenzy that has earned votes among a deceived, dumbed down, and mentally paralysed populace has now returned to haunt India by stifling progress, silencing rational critique, and reversing development. Your armed forces open their mouths to speak and utter gibberish emerges. Manekshaw, who earned victories by creating terrorist groups, was certainly not admired by Pakistanis but we respected his conduct and professionalism in some respects - he would be spinning in his grave at the sight of General Chauhan feebly responding to a humble news reporter, the thought of entire rooms of officers literally fleeing and vacating a room when a single journalist asks a difficult question about casualties of war, Air Force chiefs holding aloft pieces of used contraceptives as some form of victory parade!

Your summative statement that India's military "knows its place" is indicative of the delusions that you reside under. Our military also knows its place, and that is a place of mutual respect. Our military knows we will grieve with them and rejoice with them, regardless of our political leaning.

We have come to realise that your military fears the wrath and anger of your own people for their failures that are not actually their own fault, but rather the fault of a governance system that thrives off creating a nation that exists in a state of ignorance and blind obedience, rather than one that advances through discourse and rationality.
 
That’s the difference between India and Pakistan and it is for good. Defence forces don’t control things in India. And the democracy in India has always done good for us inspite of ups and downs.
Both the nations were created at the same time with Pakistan under military rule for the most part and we all know where it stands in terms of all development matrices.

Indian military knows its place and would never dare to try and grow beyond their show size and play a role that they don’t need to.
Atleast overtly.
 

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