Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Fasbre2]

It’s taken the Indians 2 months to come up with what they term as plausible explanations/ denials of the downed planes. Explanations are changing by the week.. this clearly reeks of a coverup of losses both in the air and on the ground..

PAk is Keeping mum so as not to totally humiliate the Indians that they become totally baked…

 

[Baibers_1260]

Why do we need to be apologetic about this to the western world?
I also had similar feelings earlier but, have come to realise that these aren’t meaningless displays. People come and enjoy these events. Why rob our populace of Choti Moti khushiyan in a life full of many other worries unlike the west.

West too has a fair share cringy events. Tomato festival, bull races and many similar events are held across the western world which can be labelled as worse than this show.

Why doesn't India have these little moments of joy ( "छोटी मोटी खुशियाँ " ) with China, Myanmar, and Nepal ? A similar circus was tried out for a brief period with Bangladesh at Benapol, but the effort flopped. The Bangladeshi BGR were far less interested and didn't "perform " as well. Also, no one showed up to watch.

This is more than a comical circus. It is a vile display of arrogance, hyper-nationalism and above all "people-to-people" hatred. The ritual has gone beyond mere routine flag lowering and gates closing by enemy border guards. Now India gathers the vilest hatred filled religiously fundamentalist mob of fascist thugs, in a specially constructed high rise gallery , to scream the filthiest obscenities over the public address system at Pakistanis.. The obscenity screaming ritual is progressive in its intensity. It starts with "nationalist" songs blaring over the speakers, then nationalist slogans, then religious songs, then religious slogans,, then the grand finale where abuse and profanity is screamed at Pakistani men, women, Muslims ( a particular epithet at their circumcised status) and of course the "piece de resistance" at the person who founded Islam. This is exactly the verbal abuse India's largest minority population suffers on a daily basis.
I once translated what the Indian mob was screaming for a group of curious American visitors on our side. They were not amused and asked why we put up with this "piece of work " .

Pakistanis can't match India in the verbal obscenities game.
When the hour comes we can only stay silent , looking over the sights of G3 and let its muzzle do the "talking ".
@Corax @Master Chief @MasterChief @Meengla
The Chinese have got it right !

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Two nation theory caught on video..

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I feel no pity for Indian muslims..

Got to meet one Indian muslim, who was on a work visa in Denmark for Microsoft and had come to the UK..


he was all praise bec. he was Microsoft employee and was living in Denmark

and with a 4 inch beard and was looking for 'White skin muslimah' for marriage!

 

[Baibers_1260]

Two nation theory caught on video..

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Translating this for those interested:
Every passing day Jinnah's two nation theory is proving correct.
First the mosques and schools of Indian Muslims were acquired, then the Azaan ( call to prayer) was banned; then shoes were thrown at Mosques to defile them. Now there is a prohibition on prayers inside the mosques as RSS workers beat drums to disturb the worshippers at prayer. If the Muslims react then they will be classified as "terrorists ".

 

[arsalan345]

PAF is doing exercises. Signals of preemptive strikes shouldn't be considered a rumor. I believe in case of another Indian attack, Preemptive strikes is the right choice. IAF will exercise tomorrow, 60km away from sindh. They are very much interested in karachi this time. Indian navy will be involved this time. I am sure.

Few weakness/mistakes we made during sindoor part 1:

1) we didn't hit civilian buildings, residential areas. This helped India as they were sure that attack will only happen on armed forces so all ADS were deployed near areas of Armed forces.

2) India killed pakistani civilians. Not a tit for tat response by Pak armed forces as Indian public is fully involved in warmongering.

3) lack of attacks from cruise misiles or standoff.


What we can do now?

we can broaden this war by using everything in our arsenal. We can target any public place, residential building in India and build our own narrative that we targeted Indian terrorists that are helping TTP, BLA etc. Narrative building will help us in the long run.

We can destroy many indian jets in their hangars this time. we must use babar this time.

We can also attack Indian parliament as India has already crossed all limits. This attack will send them a message which they will remember for years.

Conflict can't be avoided:

This conflict can't be avoided but time is right to set our own aggressive strategy on the battlefield. There is always an element of surprise from Indian side. We must destroy morals of indian armed forces this time. Another conflict is near, very near and can't be avoided.

 

[Baibers_1260]

This Bulgarian Military website claims to have cross checked the information on losses suffered by India during Operation Sindur,

India’s Sindhuur cover-up: Rafale, S-400 losses now exposed

India admits heavy losses in Operation Sindhuur, revealing Rafale pilot and S-400 operator deaths. The shift exposes tactical flaws and geopolitical stakes.

bulgarianmilitary.com

 

[arsalan345]

This Bulgarian Military website claims to have cross checked the information on losses suffered by India during Operation Sindur,

India’s Sindhuur cover-up: Rafale, S-400 losses now exposed

India admits heavy losses in Operation Sindhuur, revealing Rafale pilot and S-400 operator deaths. The shift exposes tactical flaws and geopolitical stakes.

bulgarianmilitary.com

What if shivangi died? This means another war which india can't afford. I feel sorry for all the dead pilots of IAF. Shsmeful decisions by narrender surrender to save his party infront of Indian warmonger public. Rest in peace. My condolences to Indians.

 

[NationalistPKDude132]

What if shivangi died? This means another war which india can't afford. I feel sorry for all the dead pilots of IAF. Shsmeful decisions by narrender surrender to save his party infront of Indian warmonger public. Rest in peace. My condolences to Indians.

no, they will say she died in an accident bro

 

[TAC]

It’s taken the Indians 2 months to come up with what they term as plausible explanations/ denials of the downed planes. Explanations are changing by the week.. this clearly reeks of a coverup of losses both in the air and on the ground..

PAk is Keeping mum so as not to totally humiliate the Indians that they become totally baked…

Yeah stop them getting humiliated in front of their rabid media and public to the point where they are forced to take some further reckless action.

 

[Olympus81]

Calling it technical failure and fracticide in the same sentence means it had some sort of IFF failure which led to it being shot down by Indian SAMs. This Isn’t an unlikely possibility given how far inside India it crashed (Non-export PL15 can reach that range under very good launch conditions), but it could just as likely be face saving.

Either way, the Rafale went down in an active conflict, neither reason for its downing is any less embarrassing.

My speculation is that the PL15 probably hit the Rafale but wasn’t a direct hit, after which the Rafale tried to get back to base but couldn’t make it, hence crashed deeper inside.

 

[Meengla]

No qom exists in the modern world like India, (arguably, Israel). Pakistanis simply do not behave in this way as a nation or as a people. I cannot envisage a scenario, even if we were the numerically and economically superior nation, where we would deliberately divert natural resources needed by their civilians for life itself, nor can I imagine that civil society would endorse a leader who claims he has some right to exercise the option to intentionally kill children of any enemy.

Pakistan and India have definitely evolved to be different nations over the last 80 years. I imagine the Lahore of 1947 wasn't that different from the Delhi of 1947 but things have changed a lot since then. Such things happen: North and South Korea are another example.
But, yes, you are right: Even if Pakistan was in a superior position, neither the Pakistani ordinary people or the political/military class would privately or publicly want to inflict pain on the ordinary people of the 'enemy' nation. No country has bled Pakistan more than Afghanistan in Pakistan's history but you don't see Pakistanis talk about stopping Afghanistan's water or starving them. Every now and then there is some slap on the Afghan wrist when pushed and then Pakistanis back off due to the genuine softness in the Pakistani nature.
Indians, especially the northern Indians, who are under Modi's spell, have become a vile, insensitive people.

 

[Baibers_1260]

What if shivangi died? This means another war which india can't afford. I feel sorry for all the dead pilots of IAF. Shsmeful decisions by narrender surrender to save his party infront of Indian warmonger public. Rest in peace. My condolences to Indians.

More than Shivangi the absence of this pilot is conspicuous as well.

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[BonPlan]

Pakistan needs to learn from the Iran-Israel war and scale up its Hypersonic missiles to not only include large conventional but also nuke warheads too.

India is also a nuke power......

 

[Baibers_1260]

Even if Pakistan was in a superior position, neither the Pakistani ordinary people or the political/military class would privately or publicly want to inflict pain on the ordinary people of the 'enemy' nation

India's enmity with Pakistan is not over territory ( Kashmir ), water resources sharing ( Indus River Treaty), or "terrorism ".
India's enmity is based on pure ancient hatred going back 1500 years.
Indians are undergoing a mass psychosis phenomenon with the entire population engulfed in convulsions that has revived ancient grievances in history as they see it and a desire for revenge. India's policy towards Pakistan must be viewed in this context:
Basically:

• The entire sub-continent was once a single mighty "Hindu" nation and must revert to its status as it was 3000 years back.
• Muslims are invaders who came and conquered the land, destroying temples and forcibly converting large sections of the population. About one third of the original Indian land mass became majority Muslim and these areas seceded to form Bangladesh and Pakistan today .
• Bangladesh and Pakistan are illegal entities and must be conquered and annexed back into India. The populations of these territories must be eliminated or converted. The model to be followed is the Reconquista of Spain where the region of Andalusia was cleansed of its Muslim population by massacres, expulsions and conversions.
• India has currently initiated two operations in parallel:

- Eliminating its Muslim minority population through
massacres, economic deprivation, and reconversion
(Ghar Wapasi) . Removing India's only Muslim majority
pocket (Kashmir) through demographic population
change.
- Destruction of Pakistan and Bangladesh as a sovereign
states by proxy and direct conflicts and annexation of
these nations with massive civilian casualties to be
inflicted as a prelude to depopulation and replacement
by population from Central India,

There is no scope for negotiations, compromise or peace.

 

[Baibers_1260]

So no water.

The "no water" policy is a 10 year plan. The Hindutva mind set is too impatient to wait that long. In any case until Pakistan's air and missile assets are completely eliminated, the destruction of the current water retention dams is inevitable. So "no water" is merely a slogan without any practical implications.
As of now water is flowing freely.
In fact India has a too much water problem in Himachal Pradesh in the Mandi district.