Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[iblini]

According to most forum members (and they are indeed more learned than I am), Pakistan has the edge especially in AF and it can match India in Army and while can't match in Navy, it can certainly blunt it.

Here's the question:
What is the reason why Pakistan hasn't changed (or can't) the status quo e.g., take Kashmir, continue to support Punjab cause overtly or sever India into hundred dominions (according to some members) etc.
Three possibilities:
1. Is it that because of the size difference, Pakistan can successfully defend but can't really attack (for a stretch which will be meaningful)?
2. Is it the incompetence of COAS/similar military and/or civilian leaders?
3. Is it that Pakistan is so merciful and righteous that it won't ever be the aggressor?

Which one is it and why will it be any different the next time?

The answer is quite obvious, not enough assets in the air for a far stretch airspace like Indo-Pak.

 

[samsite84]

Your first paragraph is poorly assumed.

1. The IAF is much superior to PAF on paper. It is just poorly executed as a system and overall strategy tactics.

2. The IA is much superior to PA on paper - however it is even more burgeoning in terms of utilizing its paper capabilities despite attempts to change it via cold start.

3. PN is hopelessly outmatched by IN - however it has implemented a decent Area denial capability which relies on PAF for closing it.

Now to answer your three points.

1. See above - in addition Pakistan has little capacity to sustain any total conflict beyond a few days. It is idiotic to assume that any offensive in Kashmir will remain isolated to Kashmir - both 1965 and Kargil in 99 are ample proof.

2. That goes without saying regardless of the scenario but also an abundance of caution and not wanting to risk their own mini comfortable fiefdoms that could be compromised if ANY conflict doesn’t go exactly as planned.

3. Sheepish smart alec comments get no cherry points and will guarantee a thread ban.

Thank you for the perspective and moderating reply. Hope more members agree with the sobering reality you've laid out (for both countries)

 

[Gripen9]

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle


Pakistan is barely in the orange - fortunately India was in the red.
However, if India comes to the Orange then things will be VERY different

And here I thought we can win with a sheathed sword...

 

[Oscar]

Thank you for the perspective and moderating reply. Hope more members agree with the sobering reality you've laid out (for both countries)

Most people wont. It is difficult to admit for either side their fallacies even though it grants them nothing more than instant emotional gratification and has little impact on their existence overall.

Nor do they realize that on average they have anywhere from 1-in-300 to 1-in-700 to be vaporized or at the least face radiation exposure in the next 10 years.

 

[Baibers_1260]

Thank you for the perspective and moderating reply. Hope more members agree with the sobering reality you've laid out (for both countries)

After it's glorious performance, the Indian Air Force. might change its motto from Nabha Sparsham Deeptam (नाभा स्पर्शम दीप्तम ) to Bhumi Sparsham Deeptam ( भूमि स्पर्शम दीप्तम)

 

[Baibers_1260]

Skip to point 37:26 of the video and listen to the general with the funny cap. It's hilarious.
( Why don't our retired generals wear funny caps )

The caption in Hindi reads : National Talk- Now we will know the secrets of Operation Sindoor- In 25 hours we will know the full truth of Pehelgam

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[Corax]

Thank you for the perspective and moderating reply. Hope more members agree with the sobering reality you've laid out (for both countries)

The main question is what is the endgame in all this?

In the middle east, the endgame being played out is the genocide of the Palestinians, eventually leading to ethnic cleansing and full annexation of the occupied territories to create greater Israel, along with weakening or eliminating any potential threat, like Iran.

In Afghanistan, despite the best efforts of the Americans, the endgame was the eventual return of the Taliban.

Unfortunately, there's no clear endgame in the indo/Pak scenario.

The indian doctrine of simply "punishing Pakistan" every time its security forces fail is deeply flawed. In 2019 it tried and failed to attack a single target in Azad Kashmir. In May 2025, it raised the stakes by attacking multiple sites in Pakistan, killing innocent women and children. The indians harp on about "testing Pakistan's threshold", but how will they raise the stakes next time? Nothing will still stop Pakistan from supporting the Kashmiri Freedom Fighters, not in 2019, and definitely not in May 2025. There will be another attack, how will the indians "punish Pakistan" next time? They'll have to raise the stakes again, ad infinitum...until you reach the threshold. See the flaw in your policy? You can try, unsuccessfully, to turn Pakistan into another Afghanistan for all its worth, it will still not stop the attacks in Kashmir.

Of course, Pakistan can't change the status quo either, that's why it has nothing to lose in continuing to support the Kashmiri Freedom Fighters, because eventually, you indians will reach the threshold.

So unless an endgame emerges, most of us on this forum will live out the rest of our days arguing about who won the latest "cricket match".

 

[samsite84]

Of course, Pakistan can't change the status quo either, that's why it has nothing to lose in continuing to support the Kashmiri Freedom Fighters, because eventually, you indians will reach the threshold.

Or according to Indian perspective, Pakistan will understand that solution of Kashmir is not through "bleeding India with a thousand cuts". It will reign in the terrorists (there is "someone" providing arms and trainings - in India civilians don't carry AKs so clearly coming from outside). Better sense will prevail, Pakistan will give up its design on Kashmir (esp. as gap between India and Pakistan grows) and "sue" for better relations.

Might be far fetched, but many in India believe that Pakistan will eventually think of its people's welfare which can accelerate leaps and bounds if relations improve and trade opens up. An Made in India car or bike selling in Pakistan, fresh produce from India, Kesar being sold in India etc. etc.

For this to happen, Pakistan should take an unambiguous and consistent approach to terrorists and terrorism. This is not to say India is "doodh ka dhula" - though I don't have enough facts/figures - India might be supporting elements that widen the fissures in Pakistani society. All I can say (unequivocally) is that no terrorists against Pakistan are being trained or armed in India while same can't be said about Pakistan.

Its a longer debate and I don't think India or Pakistan are saints... but somewhere somehow people will have to recognize that you can't solve this problem through violence

 

[maverick]

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nice one

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

She is funny
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Love it pulling the Baniya Move on the Baniya

Chinese Beaver , building a Dam

 

[Watandar]

Or according to Indian perspective, Pakistan will understand that solution of Kashmir is not through "bleeding India with a thousand cuts". It will reign in the terrorists (there is "someone" providing arms and trainings - in India civilians don't carry AKs so clearly coming from outside). Better sense will prevail, Pakistan will give up its design on Kashmir (esp. as gap between India and Pakistan grows) and "sue" for better relations.

Might be far fetched, but many in India believe that Pakistan will eventually think of its people's welfare which can accelerate leaps and bounds if relations improve and trade opens up. An Made in India car or bike selling in Pakistan, fresh produce from India, Kesar being sold in India etc. etc.

For this to happen, Pakistan should take an unambiguous and consistent approach to terrorists and terrorism. This is not to say India is "doodh ka dhula" - though I don't have enough facts/figures - India might be supporting elements that widen the fissures in Pakistani society. All I can say (unequivocally) is that no terrorists against Pakistan are being trained or armed in India while same can't be said about Pakistan.

Its a longer debate and I don't think India or Pakistan are saints... but somewhere somehow people will have to recognize that you can't solve this problem through violence

Aaah so you return to the usual one sided Indian propaganda. India which has been occupying and killing Kashmiris for half century accuses Pakistan of violence. History shows India first stole money and weapons from Pakistan, then Junagadh, then Kashmir, now water. This is the troublesome Indian attitude that will never change and requires Pakistan to be strong, otherwise Indians will keep taking and taking , regardless of whether there is peace or tension of war. This also goes for all of India's neighbors.
FYI Pakistan has never aimed to conquer Kashmir but for Kashmiris to exercise their right of self determination.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Skip to point 37:26 of the video and listen to the general with the funny cap. It's hilarious.
( Why don't our retired generals wear funny caps )

The caption in Hindi reads : National Talk- Now we will know the secrets of Operation Sindoor- In 25 hours we will know the full truth of Pehelgam

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Is the old timer , talking about the refueller that went recently to UK for RIAT ? Oh these videos did not age well



The man is of course retired perhaps he drank too much before the show to get into the mood

Well clearly refueller it is flying quite well , thank you very much

 

[BonPlan]

If they are that close they have learnt f*ck all. Mind you I agree with your post, we should have struck far harder.
When their exercise occur send up the PAF and have them take offensive positions without doing anything, put them on the edge.

You can't.
You only "scored" first night thanks to India saying when they want to stricke. Things were different the 3 other days.

 

[BonPlan]

Once Israel is neutralized every Nazi will fall in place.

Problem is that israel faced so many threats and is already there, kicking the a** of all the neighbors and even Iran.
Israel will remain there for thousand years.

 

[Areesh]

You can't.
You only "scored" first night thanks to India saying when they want to stricke. Things were different the 3 other days.

Three days out of which two days when IAF was grounded?