Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Distant_Observer]

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[Yasser76]

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They will need to start getting the story straight now. It is obvious evidence of at least 5 kills is out there with foreign military/intelligence and Pakistan officially claiming 6 (including 4 Rafales).

Wonder what they come clean with....

 

[Windjammer]

In due course Indians will find and will be forced to accept that....Sari damn Daal hi kaali hey ....

'Daal mein kuch kala hai': Rahul attacks Modi as Trump repeats India-Pak ceasefire claim '25 times'

Congress leader Rahul Gandhi on Wednesday attacked the government over US President Donald Trump repeating his claims about bringing about a ceasefire between India and Pakistan, saying there is something fishy as the American leader has made the statement "25 times". The Leader of Opposition in...

m.economictimes.com

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

I will repeat myself - where is the proof? Pakistan offered assistance to investigate - nothing accepted.
You can appoint a third party and show confirmation then you are beibg described as "international pirates". you attacked a sovereign nation.
We dont want you to give Pakistan "another chance" - ffs just show the world the proof.
Truth be said - there isnt any. Embarrassing..............

The last definitive proof was in the 2008 Mumbai attacks—10 Pakistani nationals, with one, Ajmal Kasab, captured alive. A host of details and evidence were shared with Pakistan. Was there any meaningful prosecution? I don't recall any.


As I said, diplomacy between these two states effectively died a long time ago. Perhaps the only realistic starting point now is the acceptance of the status quo.

 

[samsite84]

Look at his posts.
He denies he has anything to do with India - yet is more Indian than Indians.
He is anti Muslim - anti Islam - and all he talks about is worshiping India and Israel? Yet that is noticeably absent from your post?
Its ok for him to be offensive or plain nonsense up belittling the majority of this site - yet you selectively ignore the abuse and objectionable posts he puts up?
I think denying who and what you are is - is a worthy point to bring up. Why be embarrassed with your roots?
Now please do show the same concern when he shows the same belittling - back handed compliments belittling most members on here. What you want us to do is take a back seat and let him be? No unfortunately Pakistani trait is when a stone is thrown in their direction - throw a brick back................

@Musings As a forum administrator you've been here far longer than other members. If he's violating forum rules/off-topic you can issue a simple ban. But this kind of bullying where few members are on his/her/bot tail didn't sit right with me, hence the reply.

 

[Terracotta Warrior]

Sure, if you are "done" with offering proof, expect the sort of reaction Trump is now giving you.
Utter clowns.

Don’t confuse the state with its citizens. India’s 1.4 billion people are not some homogenous monolith you can casually label. One of the biggest casualties of online discourse—especially between India and Pakistan—is the ability to appreciate that there are still good, peace-loving people on both sides.


Not all 1.4 billion Indians are Hindutva extremists, just as not all 250 million Pakistanis are terrorists. It’s a dangerous and lazy generalization that helps no one.

 

[I*R*A]

2019 changed that. May 2025 has taken it even farther.

2019 they crossed into Pakistan, 2025 they were shot down inside indian territory.

Do you understand the escalation?

It amazes me how you dmb fcks keep misreading Pakistan and its people. If I was an indian I would take into account Pakistan's fight against indian sponsored terrorists. If they can kill these so called terrorists mercilessly, then they surely would like to rip apart their indian hindu sponsors. The next breed of Pakistani commanders has seen and fought bloody battles, they have seen their course mates, their soldiers getting behead and blown to pieces .. they will be no bullshit kind (even Pakistanis ignore this), who knows how much restraint they would show.

 

[Corax]

Don’t confuse the state with its citizens. India’s 1.4 billion people are not some homogenous monolith you can casually label. One of the biggest casualties of online discourse—especially between India and Pakistan—is the ability to appreciate that there are still good, peace-loving people on both sides.


Not all 1.4 billion Indians are Hindutva extremists, just as not all 250 million Pakistanis are terrorists. It’s a dangerous and lazy generalization that helps no one.

That's very refreshing to hear, thank you.

 

[samsite84]

I will repeat myself - where is the proof? Pakistan offered assistance to investigate - nothing accepted.
You can appoint a third party and show confirmation then you are beibg described as "international pirates". you attacked a sovereign nation.
We dont want you to give Pakistan "another chance" - ffs just show the world the proof.
Truth be said - there isnt any. Embarrassing..............

Proof of what though?

Let's say India made an erroneous claim and no ex-SPG commando or any other Pakistani citizen was involved. India (and citizens at large) are taking the position that Pakistan helping Kashmiris with arms training (and providing ammunition) is a terrorist action and can't be done without the help of "deep-state" / knowledge of the state. Don't think many people will have much doubt that whoever did Pahalgam were not armed and trained by Indian government.

In so far as proof against "false-flag" is concerned, I won't even provide my views. If someone believes it was a false-flag - good for you, I won't engage (because I don't want to counter by saying any heinous terrorist action in Pakistan is a false-flag)

Having said that, Indian government can do these types of action i.e, without "catching the perpetrators" only a couple of times at best. And yes, onus on them to provide evidence - which might have been provided behind closed doors - just not in public. Let's not trivialize how nations work.

 

[Windjammer]

The last definitive proof was in the 2008 Mumbai attacks—10 Pakistani nationals, with one, Ajmal Kasab, captured alive. A host of details and evidence were shared with Pakistan. Was there any meaningful prosecution? I don't recall any.


As I said, diplomacy between these two states effectively died a long time ago. Perhaps the only realistic starting point now is the acceptance of the status quo.

Proof ...cutting it pretty thin aren't you !
Of the allegedly 10 attackers, who prominently appears in all the images or CCTV footages....Ajmal Kasab !!
Of the 10 involved, who is captured alive ....Ajmal Kasab !!
Even while a firefight was going on inside the Taj, you had teachers with a bunch of 12 year old marching up and down shouting anti-Pakistan slogans.
Talk about washing soap before your hands !

 

[Corax]

The last definitive proof was in the 2008 Mumbai attacks—10 Pakistani nationals, with one, Ajmal Kasab, captured alive. A host of details and evidence were shared with Pakistan. Was there any meaningful prosecution? I don't recall any.


As I said, diplomacy between these two states effectively died a long time ago. Perhaps the only realistic starting point now is the acceptance of the status quo.

The problem is, this is the status quo. Pakistan will not stop support for Kashmir, despite the more confrontational approach by India, and India will continue to "punish Pakistan" for every attack. As I've mentioned before, there's no clear end game in all this. At the moment, all signs point to a full scale war, in which case it's anyone's guess what the outcome will be.

 

[Master Chief]

From the looks of it, India seems done with offering proof of attacks allegedly orchestrated by Pakistan. Past efforts—be it 26/11 Mumbai, Pathankot, or Uri—have yielded nothing to suggest Pakistan is serious about prosecuting the perpetrators. So why should India believe things will be any different this time?


We are in a sorry state of diplomacy, and anyone pushing for “another chance” to Pakistan risks political suicide in India.


To his credit, Modi did try—by inviting Nawaz Sharif to India and even visiting Pakistan—but that attempt failed miserably.

Dearest forum regular from across the eastern border.

The propaganda you are spewing here requires tempering.

Pakistan will categorically NOT place its trust in ANY Indian judiciary. The Indian judicial system is plagued by incompetence, fraud, maleficence, and politicisation.

2006 Mumbai train bombings: India court acquits 12 men

On 11 July 2006, seven blasts ripped through Mumbai's busy commuter trains during the evening rush hour.

www.bbc.co.uk

Malegaon Blast: After 5 Years In Jail, Charges Dropped Against 8 Muslim Men

A Mumbai court today dropped charges against eight Muslim men who were accused of carrying out bomb blasts that killed 31 people in Maharashtra's Malegaon in 2006.

www.ndtv.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/indian-court-acquits-4-hindu-activists-in-train-bombing-that-killed-over-40-pakistani-nationals/2019/03/20/1e1e635a-4b1b-11e9-b871-978e5c757325_story.html

We feel sorry for Indians who either directly rely on these kangaroo courts for their own justice or who erroneously accept the narrative that justice may be delivered by said courts, riddled with corruption and political interference for decades.

Be VERY clear if you wish to make claims on Pakistan's political stance regarding Pahalgam - we have asked for INDEPENDENT judicial and investigative procedures, wherein Delhi and Islamabad open up their files for investigation by a third party, one that is competent, free from bias, and understanding of the rule of law. Indeed, this was the FIRST offer made by Pakistan with regards to the Pahalgam incident.

Now you may wish to explain to Pakistanis (and indeed to Indian victims' families) why Delhi opposes this move. Our perception is that Delhi knows full well that its supposed "dossier of evidence of Pakistani links" will not stand up to 3rd party scrutiny. Beyond that, Delhi itself has plenty to hide. Pakistan has been clear that the BLA train attack should also be independently investigated.

There are plenty of reasons India wishes to avoid a genuine investigation of Pahalgam.

 

[Master Chief]

Don’t confuse the state with its citizens. India’s 1.4 billion people are not some homogenous monolith you can casually label. One of the biggest casualties of online discourse—especially between India and Pakistan—is the ability to appreciate that there are still good, peace-loving people on both sides.


Not all 1.4 billion Indians are Hindutva extremists, just as not all 250 million Pakistanis are terrorists. It’s a dangerous and lazy generalization that helps no one.

Not one single islamist extremist has ever been elected into authority in Pakistan. Islamist extremism is therefore demonstrably not representative of Pakistan's citizenry.

Tell us, is BJP the elected party (by plurality/ by absolute majority) of preference for India's citizenry or not?

 

[Yasser76]

@Musings As a forum administrator you've been here far longer than other members. If he's violating forum rules/off-topic you can issue a simple ban. But this kind of bullying where few members are on his/her/bot tail didn't sit right with me, hence the reply.

Funny, you have been here a month, he has been here a day, What is to think you are both not the same people or cordinating things?

Not bullying at all,, we are allowed to question people. Your lot do not even allow Pakistanis on your defence forums, but come on here and abuse the privilage and now cry when we push back. Victim card ran out of credit ages ago....

 

[Sakib]

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