Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

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Terracotta Warrior said:
With your air superiority between the 7th and 10th, what stopped your air force from taking out the entirety of Indian military installations and the remnants of the poor IAF? You could have achieved several decades of total dominance over India with that—much like the Israelis did after the Six-Day War. It must have been your large-heartedness that kept you from finishing off the IAF, pulverizing the Indian Army, or liberating Kashmir.
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With India's (claimed) destruction of Pakistan's air defenses and achieving air superiority over Pakistan between the 9th and 10th May 2025, what stopped the Indian air force from taking out the entirety of Pakistan's military installations and the remnants of the poor PAF ? You could have achieved permanent and total dominance over Pakistan with that—much like the Israelis did after the Six-Day War. It must have been your large-heartedness that kept you from finishing off the PAF pulverizing the Pakistani Army, or liberating Pakistani Occupied Kashmir, forcing a 1 million armed forces surrender . Your media was reporting the destruction of Karachi and the capture of Lahore port by the Indian navy.

Terracotta Warrior said:
Isn't it the official position of your state that Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan? Then why pass up the opportunity to “liberate” this so-called jugular vein from a supposedly battered and weakened India? If the cause is that sacred, and India that vulnerable, then why didn’t the state of Pakistan walk the talk and attempt to decisively settle scores with its arch-rival?
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Isn't it the official position (Parliamentary resolution 1991) of India that Kashmir is an integral part ( Atoot Ang अटूट अंग ) of India? Then why pass up the opportunity to restore this atoot ang back into Akhand Bharat ( Greater India अखंड भारत ) wrested from a battered and weakened Pakistan ? If the cause for Akhand Bharat ( अखंड भारत ) is sacred , and Pakistan that vulnerable, then why didn’t the state of Mother India ( Bharat Mata) walk the talk and attempt to decisively settle scores with its arch-rival?
Pardon me, but I haven't found any sane voices from any of our esteemed guests from Bharat here.
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Terracotta Warrior said:
Pardon the bluntness, but we both know where things really stand — in terms of capabilities, intent, and domestic narratives. Neither country has been entirely honest with its people. And so we continue to cling to a cause where the status quo has, in reality, ossified — even though both sides pretend otherwise.
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Pardon the bluntness, but the real reasons of the India-Pakistan conflict are not publicly admitted by India in its "diplomatic " initiative and nor acknowledged by Pakistan itself.
Its an existential conflict for Pakistan and religious conflict by India. Based on a perception of grievances spanning 1500 years India's desire for revenge is perpetual and intense. The India Pakistan conflict is an extension of the religious conflict ( rather persecution of a religious minority) within India itself. India sees Pakistan and its people not as a sovereign nation but just another religious minority ghetto in one its cities which can be subjected to a mass extermination pogram. India wants Pakistan to suffer the same fate as its religious minority ghettos, population massacred expelled or incarcerated and the houses and places of worship bulldozed.
Terracotta Warrior said:
I've been looking for some sane voices on this forum over the past few days, but honestly, I haven’t found any — on either side. It’s sad, but the way things are going, it really feels like we’re inching closer to war. Unfortunate, yes — but at this point, it almost seems inevitable
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Both the India houses of Parliament have making a remarkable display of sanity given the volume and pitch of their discourse. On this forum our standards of sanity are different and unintelligible to Indians.
No, we are not "inching towards war" . In fact we have been in a state of war for 78 years with pauses in between. Yes, we are "inching towards ending the latest pause" . This pause will be the last one .
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Baibers_1260 said:
Pardon the bluntness, but the real reasons of the India-Pakistan conflict are not publicly admitted by India in its "diplomatic " initiative and nor acknowledged by Pakistan itself.
Its an existential conflict for Pakistan and religious conflict by India. Based on a perception of grievances spanning 1500 years India's desire for revenge is perpetual and intense. The India Pakistan conflict is an extension of the religious conflict ( rather persecution of a religious minority) within India itself. India sees Pakistan and its people not as a sovereign nation but just another religious minority ghetto in one its cities which can be subjected to a mass extermination pogram. India wants Pakistan to suffer the same fate as its religious minority ghettos, population massacred expelled or incarcerated and the houses and places of worship bulldozed.

Both the India houses of Parliament have making a remarkable display of sanity given the volume and pitch of their discourse. On this forum our standards of sanity are different and unintelligible to Indians.
No, we are not "inching towards war" . In fact we have been in a state of war for 78 years with pauses in between. Yes, we are "inching towards ending the latest pause" . This pause will be the last one .
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Terracotta Warrior said:
Humara to phat ke hath main aa gaya tha. Tum batao?
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@Baibers_1260

Sorry for my language in the last message 🙏.

We both seem to be good human beings, but captive to our own narrative, incompatible to each other. Generations before us lived and died with their own dichotomy, I guess we are destined for the same fate.
 
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Indian humiliation continues....

Americans have been preparing India as America's regional bulwark to counter Chinese influence. To realize that objective, Americans supported Indians directly and indirectly including crucial waivers for several punitive American sanction’s regime.

After Modi's frantic calls on 10 May 2025 to Washington DC for an immediate ceasefire and a devastating blow to Indian military's pride and its global perception, Americans have probably concluded that India is unable to play their perceived role at even the regional stage, leave alone the global one. The US Treasury Secretary's statement in a recent interview with CNBC that India has not been a great global actor also reflects the US admin's frustration with Indian failures. Though that statement was given in the financial/economic context, but it reflects the current thought process of US admin regarding any global role for India.

On top of that, Indians, according to their nature, started turning rogue on their commitments given to Americans to secure that ceasefire in May. That has apparently infuriated Trump admin and hence we hear almost a daily statement from President Trump humiliating Indians. Indians are giving the impression that Trump's snubs are meant to be a coercing tactic to get a better tariff deal with India. However, the consistency and nature of American expressions of dislike for India point towards a more serious and multidimensional crises in US-India strategic relations.
 
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Terracotta Warrior said:
@Baibers_1260

Sorry for my language in the last message 🙏.

We both seem to be good human beings, but captive to our own narrative, incompatible to each other. Generations before us lived and died with their own dichotomy, I guess we are destined for the same fate.
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The question you should ask is -
most if not all understood you writing the native language in roman - they understand what you meant, like you understand their culture to an extent and they yours. You or your neighbors or extended friends and family may choose to demonize it or politicize it or hate it AS the opposite side may do as well.

And you may choose to call people with whom you have little cultural or linguistic understanding against them as they do against you.

And you may eventually come for them and may eventually prevail.

But what happens when those whom you allied with or not - decide they now need to look out primarily for those that look like them and speak their language and act like them - and they will come for you - 40-80 -120 years - whenever - what then - who stands with whatever this region looks like after a brutal conflict?
 
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