Pakistan, Kuwait discuss expanded defence pact: report

[Bratva]

I am more concerned about what will happen to our people that what is discussed in some article. Monsoon is around the corner, we have food insecurity, energy insecurity, a rampant insurgency within our borders, not to mention energy insecurity and a weak economy.

This doesn't include hostile neighbors to our left and our right. Should we add one more to that list? What is the cost and what is the benefit...? That is what I am interested in.

Nothing comes for free. Iran was going to be hub of cheap oil if MoU succeed. Since it is not possible. How can we get something cheap without giving anything in return

We don't have money to pay for expensive and above market rate oil. Food insecurity, controlling rampant insurgency and keeping watch on the hostile neighbors all depends upon if we have OIL/FUEL/Petrol.

Our 3 major import sources are Saudi/Kuwait/UAE. We don't have huge dollar reserves to pay for expensive oil.

What do you reckon we need to do to get cheap oil when we don't have dollar reserves, neither we are the industrial hub like China/India nor do we have some rare earth metals that we can barter with them.

The cost benefit analysis is dearly missing what Pakistan has to offer to get the cheap oil from its 3 import resources? Is getting cheap oil more important to save Pakistan from internal instability which would occur with expensive or no oil or do we just sit idly and stay neutral and pray that we get cheap oil from GCC without the give and take?

 

[RescueRanger]

Yeah, Kuwait socks.

Its not even that bahi, I really don't have a dog in if Pakistan joins this bakwas or not. Some people really want us to flex our muscles, go for it. LOL, no skin of my teeth. I get it, people want Pakistan to manifest her destiny and work with partners in the gulf to open new doors, but what is the cost? does it outweigh the benefits?

I am simply looking at this from the perspective of someone who knows the state of our nation right now:

Full monsoon season hasn't even started yet...

 

[RescueRanger]

Nothing comes for free

Agreed I am a firm believer in no such things as free lunches.

 

[Bratva]

Obviously. Thanks to our offshore drilling success and those huge oil and gas reserves in baluchistan. Which private companies were only recently able to drill because of bestest security situation. Now pakistan even export oil.

And when we woke up, we found out that Kuwait is one of our major diesel supplier and diesel is more thicker than blood and water combined

 

[Cipher212]

Ok, say we sign this pact and Iran fires another dozen missiles at them. What are we supposed to do?

 

[RescueRanger]

Ok, say we sign this pact and Iran fires another dozen missiles at them. What are we supposed to do?

 

[Cipher212]

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If Iran dares attack our Arab bhais,


We will be writing a strongly worded letter to give a BEFITTING and RESOUNDING response to the naked aggression of the Iran.

MOO TOR JAWAB!

 

[Watandar]

Ok, say we sign this pact and Iran fires another dozen missiles at them. What are we supposed to do?

Well i think the Kuwaiti expectation will be that you will defend them until the West, Israel and probably India come to their rescue. Then Al Bakistanis can go home.

Quite similar to Gulf War 1.

 

[RescueRanger]

Well the Gulfie expectation will be that you will defend them until the West, Israel and probably

Brother this thread is so childish the premise of this entire debate is laughable.

India

come to their rescue. Then Al Bakistanis can go home.

Quite similar to Gulf War 1.

But, But, But we were promised land of milk and honey, where rives of oil and diesel will flow through the Chenab and F16's will fly overhead Minar-e-Pakistan... WOW GRAPE!!!

 

[Cipher212]

Well i think the Kuwaiti expectation will be that you will defend them until the West, Israel and probably India come to their rescue. Then Al Bakistanis can go home.

Quite similar to Gulf War 1.

The best we can do is station some JF-17s that can chase after Shaheds with cannons.

However jitna unho ne hammay pay karna hay for this work, they can just fly their own damn planes.

 

[SaadH]

The best we can do is station some JF-17s that can chase after Shaheds with cannons.

However jitna unho ne hammay pay karna hay for this work, they can just fly their own damn planes.

And do service to Islam by taking out amreeki F-15s by the quarter dozens...

 

[313Ghazi]

In my opinion we should persue the opportunity, but we will manage to fk it up, just like we did post 911.

Ultimately everyone knows in Pakistan if you can buy off the guy at the top - you can buy Pakistan.

Post 911 Musharraf offered unconditional support at a dirt cheap price. We continue to pay the price, 80,000+ dead later.

If post 911 he'd negotiated a Pakistan friendly govt in Afghanistan, trade deals with the USA and EU, access to clean nuclear energy and wiping out loans, Pakistan would have benefitted massively. Our economic landscape would be much different, we'd not have lost 2 decades to terrorism and we wouldn't have to undermine NATO in Afghanistan. Afghanistan and Pakistan would both be better off today.

Instead he focused on F-solah and scraps off the table for the Boys.

Similarly security pacts with Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait etc should come with ties of normalisation with Iran, no clandestine support of Israel and huge FDI in Pakistan, as well as the funding, equipping and training of a force with the numbers and capabilities to project power in the region.

Instead I imagine we'll over stretch, under deliver all for a few migrant visas, some cash, plots and perks for the usual suspects.

@RescueRanger makes an excellent point about our lack of manpower, weaponry and doctrine atm to be "that guy".

 

[RescueRanger]

In my opinion we should persue the opportunity, but we will manage to fk it up, just like we did post 911.

Ultimately everyone knows in Pakistan if you can buy off the guy at the top - you can buy Pakistan.

Post 911 Musharraf offered unconditional support at a dirt cheap price. We continue to pay the price, 80,000+ dead later.

If post 911 he'd negotiated a Pakistan friendly govt in Afghanistan, trade deals with the USA and EU, access to clean nuclear energy and wiping out loans, Pakistan would have benefitted massively. Our economic landscape would be much different, we'd not have lost 2 decades to terrorism and we wouldn't have to undermine NATO in Afghanistan. Afghanistan and Pakistan would both be better off today.

Instead he focused on F-solah and scraps off the table for the Boys.

Similarly security pacts with Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait etc should come with ties of normalisation with Iran, no clandestine support of Israel and huge FDI in Pakistan, as well as the funding, equipping and training of a force with the numbers and capabilities to project power in the region.

Instead I imagine we'll over stretch, under deliver all for a few migrant visas, some cash, plots and perks for the usual suspects.

@RescueRanger makes an excellent point about our lack of manpower, weaponry and doctrine atm to be "that guy".

https://gulfif.org/the-iran-war-is-rewriting-kuwaits-defense-architecture/

Take a look at the new capacity Kuwait has invested in. They could have partnered with Pakistan on some of this big ticket items but they went to Leonardo and the UK instead.

Circling back to my point, based on this article what would we be contributing?

Why should our people be meat shields? Is our blood cheap?

If Pakistan were to enter into some agreement we really need to know what we gain and what we stand to lose?

It's simple risk management at this point.

 

[Owaiz]

In my opinion we should persue the opportunity, but we will manage to fk it up, just like we did post 911.

Ultimately everyone knows in Pakistan if you can buy off the guy at the top - you can buy Pakistan.

Post 911 Musharraf offered unconditional support at a dirt cheap price. We continue to pay the price, 80,000+ dead later.

If post 911 he'd negotiated a Pakistan friendly govt in Afghanistan, trade deals with the USA and EU, access to clean nuclear energy and wiping out loans, Pakistan would have benefitted massively. Our economic landscape would be much different, we'd not have lost 2 decades to terrorism and we wouldn't have to undermine NATO in Afghanistan. Afghanistan and Pakistan would both be better off today.

Instead he focused on F-solah and scraps off the table for the Boys.

Similarly security pacts with Saudi, Qatar, Kuwait etc should come with ties of normalisation with Iran, no clandestine support of Israel and huge FDI in Pakistan, as well as the funding, equipping and training of a force with the numbers and capabilities to project power in the region.

Instead I imagine we'll over stretch, under deliver all for a few migrant visas, some cash, plots and perks for the usual suspects.

@RescueRanger makes an excellent point about our lack of manpower, weaponry and doctrine atm to be "that guy".

That is the basic problem. The people in charge have a habit of overstretching wanting to run where they do not know how to walk. For example, the diplomatic efforts have been busy playing the great "international mediator" and " net security provider", but neglecting the grunt work of basic diplomacy. For example, the Foreign office was recently caught napping when Japan , which has generally been favourably disposed to Pakistan, issued a joint statement with India essentially accusing Pakistan of supporting terrorists. Instead of anticipating and preventing this, the Foreign Office had to issue a post -facto demarche because they were caught completely unawares.

Pakistan summons Japanese ambassador over reference in Japan-India joint statement | Dunya News

Foreign Office spokesperson Tahir Andrabi said the Japanese ambassador was summoned to Ministry of Foreign Affairs, where Pakistan formally lodged its protest

dunyanews.tv

 

[pakistanitarzan]

What can Pakistan possibly offer to Kuwait that Americans cant. After all, havent the Iranians attacked Saudi regardless of the pact with Pakistan? Although the attacks are less frequent.