Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[White Privilege]

Out of the 63 Kinzhals fired by Russia, over 25 were intercepted by Ukrainian air defense. The Kinzhal, is far more advanced and faster than any operational BrahMos variant, it was meant to be Russia’s “silver bullet.” Yet, as I’ve said before, such missiles come with their own drawbacks.

If there’s one lesson to take from missile strikes in the Ukrainian conflict, it’s that ballistic missiles tend to have a higher chance of hitting high-value targets (HVTs). Around 1,300 Iskanders were launched, with only a little over 60 intercepted — roughly a 4.3% interception rate.

On the other side, Ukraine effectively used HIMARS and ATACMS to destroy S-400s, S-300s, and multiple other HVTs deep inside Russian territory.

Therefore, Pakistan’s strategy of maintaining a separate line of conventional, non-strategic ballistic rockets , such as the Fatah-1 and Fatah-2 , is rooted in ground realities.

Pakistan should maintain ambiguity on missile capabilities and dual use. Don't give the enemy peace of mind that incoming missile is not nuclear....

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Reduce army size to 400K and spend money on missiles, jets, navy.

EXACTLY!
Smaller but modernized, highly mobile, highly trained is far better.

Rn, most of our soldiers in western provinces are not even properly equipped, using toyota hiluxes etc. Salaries, pensions and other expenses / allowances take a massive portion of budget. Don't know how much for our military but I see this report for india where personal costs take more than half of entire defense budget:

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/india-budget-indias-defence-budget-heavily-weighted-manpower-costs-2025-02-01/

Ours might be much more, as salaries / perks / benefits of our military are far better than india's.

 

[Waz]

Reduce army size to 400K and spend money on missiles, jets, navy.

Fatah 4 is nice but we need copy of DF-17.

If Indian troops make a concerted push over the IB and LOC, and then dig in with strong air defence, you will not be able to solve that with jets and missiles.
Pakistan now and for as long as Indian remains a threat needs large manpower.
For a nation of 265 million 630,000 troops is not that a big deal. I'd go further and round off at 700,000.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Not good should a meat grinder type of situation arise. Russia-ukraine war type of situation may arise with India but with higher risks....this was Bajwas plan too, to downsize - he was a loyal kutta of the West.

Pakistan is not in an advantageous position due to land border with an enemy around 7× larger.

In addition....Muslim world must accept reality of the greater Israel project....
The Islamic world is not on a war footing as it should be given the existential threat faced. Those extra men will come to use at some point.

Nope. a massive army is a headache, its management is a headache. It's deployment, training everything becomes a burden. A highy trained and modernized force can perform far more optimally.

If ever the meat grinder type situation arises then there is no shortage of man-power in pakistan. You can start drafting / enrolling. But can't put modernization and everything on hold on waiting for a meat grinder like situation which may never arise.

For your Israel concept, that is even more non-practical to have a massive force. As massive force is a ZERO threat to Israel. Only threat for Israel will be a smaller, highly mobile, rapidly deployable and modern force. On other hand A massive mililtary that has never gone out of its country is no threat to them. We got a massive military since begining. What we have ever done against tthem in 70 yrs lol? Iran has a massive military, but tiny Israel was able to come and bomb it. Iranian infantry is no threat to israel. only Iranians modern capabilities like modern missiles are a threat to them. So we need to cut down numbers and focus on modernization.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

If Indian troops make a concerted push over the IB and LOC, and then dig in with strong air defence, you will not be able to solve that with jets and missiles.
Pakistan now and for as long as Indian remains a threat needs large manpower.
For a nation of 265 million 630,000 troops is not that a big deal. I'd go further and round off at 700,000.

India after losing air battle in 2019 and 2025 will now double down on stand off missiles from long distance. Taking advantage of their land depth. Forget about Indian army crossing border.

Pakistan to counter that need J-35 and DF-17.

Think of India as Iran and Pakistan as Israel. You already have them on back foot.

 

[kambhakt]

yes, but question is when will you be able to detect them...?

ive done some crude math here, ive assumed a worst case scenario of an RCS of 1m^2, which will be an order of magnitude greater than reality. With terminal terrain hugging of 50 meters:

91N6E/Swordfish type, with a VERY Generous antenna height of 40 meters, det range is 55.12km, this means a TTI of 3 min 21 seconds.

92N6E/EL/M-2243, Mast height of 30 meters, 51.7km det range. TTI= 3 min and 8 seconds

QRSAM etc, 12 meter mast height, det range 41.3km, TTI 2min 38s.

using a stealthier babur model even further changes the equation in some cases

It will be fired at most from 200 km inside Pakistan. The booster sends it high if I am not mistaken. In which case we will know it has been fired and can scramble planes to intercept.

Radar can be placed on hills if available to increase the antenna height. Terry Hills in Australia gets an elevation of 195 meters. It is not a military but metrological radar. But the concept is the same.

 

[Toxic]

Nope. a massive army is a headache, its management is a headache. It's deployment, training everything becomes a burden. A highy trained and modernized force can perform far more optimally.

If ever the meat grinder type situation arises then there is no shortage of man-power in pakistan. You can start drafting / enrolling. But can't put modernization and everything on hold on waiting for a meat grinder like situation which may never arise.

For your Israel concept, that is even more non-practical to have a massive force. As massive force is a ZERO threat to Israel. Only threat for Israel will be a smaller, highly mobile, rapidly deployable and modern force. On other hand A massive mililtary that has never gone out of its country is no threat to them. We got a massive military since begining. What we have ever done against tthem in 70 yrs lol? Iran has a massive military, but tiny Israel was able to come and bomb it. Iranian infantry is no threat to israel. only Iranians modern capabilities like modern missiles are a threat to them. So we need to cut down numbers and focus on modernization.

Downsizing the force doesn't mean you will suddenly have super soldiers the problem with our army isn't the size or even the training level of the average soldiers (it's pretty decent compared to most of the world) but the outdated thinking, our babus are still stuck in 70s and 80s view of combat there needs to be a complete overhaul for officer training and education they need to be taught in modern concepts.

Also our large army size is basically a necessity for the number of enemies we face, and the chances of us engaging in a direct war with Israel is basically zero so stop with those delusions.

 

[AliKazmi007]

We just need to stock up on some licence produced YJ-12s. Get some ToT.

Chinese super-sonic cruise missiles. Mach 3 + maneuverable.

These should be our main strike weapons paired with Fatah 4 based on how well guarded the target is.

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Maybe even the CJ-100 but Chinese probably won't export that.

are we looking into acquring these?

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Yeah, you nailed it, we have a lot of missile types, but as May skrimish saw, we need this in mass numbers. ...

Did anyone report a shortage of missiles?

Everything that needed to be hit, was hit by Pakistan leading India to ask for ceasefire/pausefire.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Muaf kar dey bhai.....so many things that can not be discussed in open forums.....

Why? We are doing general discussion not sensitive discussion? Does Pakistan have a resources to develop SCRAMJET engine for hypersonic missiles INDIGENOUSLY?

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Also our large army size is basically a necessity for the number of enemies we face, and the chances of us engaging in a direct war with Israel is basically zero so stop with those delusions.

I was replying to the post, so try getting the context first. It isn't my idea. I only explained that even if Israel comes into equation, a highly trained, rapidly deployable force with necessary modern equipment is better then a large size of infantry. Reply was based on assumption that large force maybe helpful in fighting israel. I only refuted that. It was in response to below.

In addition....Muslim world must accept reality of the greater Israel project....
The Islamic world is not on a war footing as it should be given the existential threat faced. Those extra men will come to use at some point.

Having said that cutting down on large army that is not adequately equipped is essential to free up resources for modernization. Its not just me saying. Last COAS had revealed such a plan to reduce numbers somewhere in 2020-21. Islamabad dialog. Personal costs easily take 60% or more of defence bugdet. Its a calculated guess, seeing numbers from indian military personal costs percentage.

BTW, modern, deploy-able military that can take part in actions overseas, assist friendly nations play a big part in country's influence, geopolitics and standings. Its not necessarily have to be versus israel, but anything is possible in geopolitics and the kind of world we live in. Many impossible things have happened in last 50 yrs. So I really don't believe that a chance of a certain thing to happen is zero. Its never zero.

 

[Waz]

India after losing air battle in 2019 and 2025 will now double down on stand off missiles from long distance. Taking advantage of their land depth. Forget about Indian army crossing border.

Pakistan to counter that need J-35 and DF-17.

Think of India as Iran and Pakistan as Israel. You already have them on back foot.

You never can rule anything out, but yes long rang missile strikes is something the will press hard.

 

[Liquidator]

Nope. a massive army is a headache, its management is a headache. It's deployment, training everything becomes a burden. A highy trained and modernized force can perform far more optimally.

If ever the meat grinder type situation arises then there is no shortage of man-power in pakistan. You can start drafting / enrolling. But can't put modernization and everything on hold on waiting for a meat grinder like situation which may never arise.

For your Israel concept, that is even more non-practical to have a massive force. As massive force is a ZERO threat to Israel. Only threat for Israel will be a smaller, highly mobile, rapidly deployable and modern force. On other hand A massive mililtary that has never gone out of its country is no threat to them. We got a massive military since begining. What we have ever done against tthem in 70 yrs lol? Iran has a massive military, but tiny Israel was able to come and bomb it. Iranian infantry is no threat to israel. only Iranians modern capabilities like modern missiles are a threat to them. So we need to cut down numbers and focus on modernization.

apples and oranges has been escalated to apples and bengan.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Pakistan going to war against Israel lol

Stop delusional takes. This what made India take advantage of in WOT era. Now many hindutvas are dreaming of another 9/11 in their X Spaces.

 

[ghazi52]

Alongside the missile mock-ups, Pakistan also showcased the Transporter Erector Launcher (TEL) for the Fatah-4.

A single TEL vehicle is capable of carrying three launchers, a configuration similar to the Babur cruise missile system, enhancing mobility and rapid deployment capability.