Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Ali_Baba]

15000 + missles have been fired on Iran with the lastest technology, in about 3 weeks and it is still standing.

Pakistan's enemy is much larger and stronger than Iran, in the east.

Pakistan must have atleast 15 000 missles, each with atleast 1 ton / 1000 kg warhead, to inflict any meaningful damage.

And Pakistan must be ready to move in and capture as much land as possible specially in the disputed regions in the north to secure the sources of our water.

Perhaps China can help in composite / Carbon fiber technology.

The domestically developed T1200-grade fibre has a tensile strength 10 times greater than ordinary steel, yet it is less than one-tenth of a human hair in diameter, according to the state broadcaster.

China beats US, Japan in carbon-fibre arms race with world’s first T1200 factory

‘Black gold’ fibre deemed transformative for energy and military purposes, EV innovations, medical devices and low-altitude economy.

www.scmp.com

Does Pakistan have the financial resources to produce 15,000 missiles? Given the state of the economy and Pakistan overall military budget, I would say no.

Secondly, and more importantly, where will Pakistan store all these missiles? Does Pakistan have missile bases like Iran ?

Pakistan's approach needs to match it means, it capabilities and the environment in which it operates.

What Pakistan needs is more precision in the ability of the missiles, and the CEP of the missile needs to be further improved to get close what the Chinese, Korea, and Türkiye have demonstrated with their ballistic missiles as being possible with bullseye hits on the targets. Focus should be on CEP and precision.

 

[Sparten]

good man the laaltain, small man the mombati


Not very clear what you were trying to convey as a point - is it the warhead size(which still could potentially be solid fuel igniting and not a HE warhead but that is conjecture based on video)

Why would they use a HE warhead in a test. Its several hundred kg of HE. It will cause damage (a big ass crater they need to refill) and will make assement of CEP harder. The test is to check missle. They would get more data if they use a dummy warhead with a fuse.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Bulls eye from earlier this year SMASH test.

 

[Aziqbal]

Pakistan has advanced systems

but unlike Iran , Pakistan does not have the production capacity

Pakistan relies more on high tech Chinese systems

 

[maverik]

Our problem is more to do the effectiveness of our warheads. Do we have anything remotely as destructive in conventional domain?

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One missile, one warhead, utter destruction.

TBH, I am not sure what Army high ups are smoking, the effectiveness of Fattah has been at best "hizbullah level" destruction. Army really needs to up its game. For heavy lifting, we rely on PAF far too much.

It has warhead of 350kg which is in league of brahmos

 

[Hazard]

Does Pakistan have the financial resources to produce 15,000 missiles? Given the state of the economy and Pakistan overall military budget, I would say no.

Secondly, and more importantly, where will Pakistan store all these missiles? Does Pakistan have missile bases like Iran ?

Pakistan's approach needs to match it means, it capabilities and the environment in which it operates.

What Pakistan needs is more precision in the ability of the missiles, and the CEP of the missile needs to be further improved to get close what the Chinese, Korea, and Türkiye have demonstrated with their ballistic missiles as being possible with bullseye hits on the targets. Focus should be on CEP and precision.

And in order to achieve this, Pakistan needs to divert resources away from the army and focus on Rocket Force. Aside from the accuracy, we also need hypersonic Missiles and in numbers.

Our Army is still stuck with age old mentality of quantity, and we have seen time and time again, big numbers are just sitting DUCKS in today's environment. Look at Iraq, Syria, massive armies but what did they achieve? F All.

There is NO real risk of Indians waking up one day and saying let's go have Pakistan for breakfast. This is a threat dreamt up by the Generals to keep the PA feeding and wasting away vital limited resources. Even if somehow Indians go wild one day and fancy their chances in let's say taking Kashmir, why not let the drones, artillery, Airforce, Missiles have a feast instead of trying to match soldier to soldier?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Bulls eye from earlier this year SMASH test.
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Why is SMASH so accurate, but the Fatah 2 not as accurate? Odd to me.

 

[safriz]

Why is SMASH so accurate, but the Fatah 2 not as accurate? Odd to me.

Even smash can be a few meters off on another occasion.
Thats why its called CEP .

 

[Corax]

Even smash can be a few meters off om another occasion.
Thats why its called CEP .

Exactly what I was going to say, CEP is a probability, there'll be variance, i.e. error, within an acceptable range. No two missiles will achieve the exact same accuracy.

Assuming the diameter of the target circles is 10m, all the missiles we've seen, Fatah II and SMASH have hit within that circle, demonstrating 10m CEP. For a stationary high value target, that's acceptable I think.

 

[Taimoor]

It has warhead of 350kg which is in league of brahmos

The way to look at it, the next conflict with India will be the same as last one. They are not going to send their troops for face off where we can fire fatah series on their concentration locations in order to cause mayhem. We will need to hit their command and control, installations which are heavy bunkered in. These will simply bounce off the hardened structure or at best make holes in them. You ain't going to raise them to ground. For that you need thermobaric warheads. Could fatah 350kg capacity can carry thermobaric, is it even possible, I don't know. If not, then we need to look at our heavy lifters BMs and arm them with thermobarics. Otherwise we will be in the same situation next time where PAF will be doing the heavy lifting with their SOWs.

 

[Samurai]

So technically if SMASH is a proper supersonic anti-ship ballistic missile, then PAF should also migrate and adopt the SMASH missile into its arsenal as an air launched supersonic ballistic missile. That way, the tri-services (ARFC = Fatah-II, Navy = SMASH, Airforce = SMASH equivalent) will have a common standoff weapon platform that will have parts commonality, shared production and deployment. Most of all, this will be a locally produced solution that will be competitor to Indian Brahmos, until Pakistan acquires some off-the-shelf supersonic/hypersonic ballistic missile. Although they should invest more to improve its precision.

RAFAEL's ROCKS ALBM is a perfect example.

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[kimjongun]

So technically if SMASH is a proper supersonic anti-ship ballistic missile, then PAF should also migrate and adopt the SMASH missile into its arsenal as an air launched supersonic ballistic missile. That way, the tri-services (ARFC = Fatah-II, Navy = SMASH, Airforce = SMASH equivalent) will have a common standoff weapon platform that will have parts commonality, shared production and deployment. Most of all, this will be a local solution to Indian Brahmos, until Pakistan acquires some off-the-shelf supersonic/hypersonic ballistic missile. Although they should invest more to improve its precision.

RAFAEL's ROCKS ALBM is a perfect example.

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the 1st variant of the smash could be used , tho the main thing is the weight of the missile.

 

[Samurai]

the 1st variant of the smash could be used , tho the main thing is the weight of the missile.

Not sure if JF-17's will be able to carry SMASH in air.

 

[Ibbi32]

Why is SMASH so accurate, but the Fatah 2 not as accurate? Odd to me.

More importantly smash is expected to hit a constantly moving target only a dozen metres wide with much tougher iads and jamming ussualy

 

[Ibbi32]

So technically if SMASH is a proper supersonic anti-ship ballistic missile, then PAF should also migrate and adopt the SMASH missile into its arsenal as an air launched supersonic ballistic missile. That way, the tri-services (ARFC = Fatah-II, Navy = SMASH, Airforce = SMASH equivalent) will have a common standoff weapon platform that will have parts commonality, shared production and deployment. Most of all, this will be a locally produced solution that will be competitor to Indian Brahmos, until Pakistan acquires some off-the-shelf supersonic/hypersonic ballistic missile. Although they should invest more to improve its precision.

RAFAEL's ROCKS ALBM is a perfect example.

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Fatah series are too big for albm use especially when most likely platforms for integration (jft and mirage) are light weight platforms with in case of jft limited underbelly space