Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Vkdindian1]

Show any piece of evidence for Fatah 2 being fired? Pakistan released footage of all weapons used and it didn't fire the Fatah 2 because it hasn't produced any in decent numbers. Same reason Pakistan didn't use any more capable missiles, it's mostly nuclear posture and wasn't prepared for conventional strikes.

Only the CM-400AKG was used on JF-17s, which footage was released. Rest were some loitering munitions and Fatah rockets MLRS.

I don’t have any proof, just claims made here. I could be wrong. Edited my post and removed mention of Fatah II.

 

[Bentley777]

This makes sense to me. We would see frequent missile tests in the 2000 to 2010s but have not seen or heard anything about Pakistani missiles for over ten years now. Its like Pakistan has frozen its missile program in exchange for something else or under compulsion from IMF/World Bank.

Lots of things are involved in it i would say it has not been frozen it got stationary i would say in bajwa era. Imf world bank india Israel usa are all involved in one or other way around but my problem is it is expected not something new what matters is how you deal with it and come out on top.

 

[Bentley777]

Your info is wrong buddy, the entire Shaheen series has been upgraded with new miniature and Maneuverable RVs, deadly accurate, PBVs been added to provide Midcourse corrections and maneuverability, all this wasn't in shaheen 2. Ababeel is the result of all these upgrades over the years.
We are on the right track. Your just obsessed with SCM and hypersonics. Your forgetting the sorry state of our economy, we are utilizing the funds we have in the best manner possible.

I know it's a grain of salt for us but the people who live in reality have a better chance to move forward things correctly because you know the problem and less chance of element of suprise for you it would be better for pak to not behave like jeets that we are supar paar sir for e.g. All above things you mentioned iran has too yes they do not have ababeel sort of thing. I am not obsessed i am worried you have no depth time window is mins only PAF cant cover all by themselves this is the thing i am pointed towards still j35 is talk of the town. Talk of the town should be where to move forward our missile program for our next conflict for IWT. There is a sense of acknowledgement from PA too that if our missile capabilities dilute we will go for hypersonics definitely but i think decision is to be made now.

 

[Metal 0-1]

You guys are newbies on these forums. Many of us have decades of experience on Pakistani defence forums. We have followed Pakistani defence related developments when many of you were probably not even in existence or walking in diapers.

Holy Smokes. Thank you for your service Sir. We didn't know you were OG

 

[Dalit]

Holy Smokes. Thank you for your service Sir. We didn't know you were OG
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Look who we got here. Captain midget doing the bidding of his crew members.

That is right. Finally one that understands it. Next time I don't expect you to announce it. I expect an immediate salute.

PS. I am disappointed by your height though. Next time choose a better character.

 

[Toxic]

A pretty unfruitful back and forth, While I agree with @Rationalist that some members here are optimistic to the point of delusion, but there is no point in doom and glooming specially not with claims like a Mach 8 wunderwaffe brahmos

 

[Rational Philosopher]

A pretty unfruitful back and forth, While I agree with @Rationalist that some members here are optimistic to the point of delusion, but there is no point in doom and glooming specially not with claims like a Mach 8 wunderwaffe brahmos

Yeah, unnecessarily dragged out a single message and it went on way longer than it should have, there's just no point in falsely exaggerating the capabilities of our arsenal when it clearly has gaps in it that need addressing, denial certainly won't help

On the Mach 8 BrahMos 2, there's actually an ongoing project with active Russian assistance, and knowing that Russia has Zircon operational and historical co-operation, it will likely be a thing soon

 

[Metal 0-1]

Look who we got here. Captain midget doing the bidding of his crew members.

That is right. Finally one that understands it. Next time I don't expect you to announce it. I expect an immediate salute.

PS. I am disappointed by your height though. Next time choose a better character.

At least I don't have to call an ambulance every single time like you do when you walk more than two blocks.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Pakistani missiles still use old steel heavy casing material, with inefficient solid rocket motors and large base fins, which modern missiles have advanced beyond.

Do you think Fatah series is still using old steel based casing?

I think Fatah series is a significant effort to modernize our BM inventory and we are going the US way in this regard ;
LM developed PrSM for Army for tactical battlefield strikes .PrSM is really a very simplified & scale-able design.
4m in length, 0.4m diameter class rocket motor , 100kg warhead size and almost 500km range.
Just like F2 that comes with 7.5m Length,0.4m dia motor,365kg warhead and 400km range.

LM adapted the same PrSM for coastal based Anti Ship defence.

U.S. Army Conducts First Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile SINKEX using PrSM - Naval News

The U.S. Army successfully used two Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM) against a moving target at sea, marking a first...

www.navalnews.com

Similarly,F2 is adapted for naval role aka SMASH

The way forward is simple:
Open systems architecture,
Modular and easily adaptable design.
F1 & F2 will make the work horse strike inventory while F4 may be focused towards more survive able solution aka the spear head of pak strike capability.

Let's see how it plays out.

 

[Toxic]

Do you think Fatah series is still using old steel based casing?

I think Fatah series is a significant effort to modernize our BM inventory and we are going the US way in this regard ;
LM developed PrSM for Army for tactical battlefield strikes .PrSM is really a very simplified & scale-able design.
4m in length, 0.4m diameter class rocket motor , 100kg warhead size and almost 500km range.
Just like F2 that comes with 7.5m Length,0.4m dia motor,365kg warhead and 400km range.

LM adapted the same PrSM for coastal based Anti Ship defence.

U.S. Army Conducts First Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile SINKEX using PrSM - Naval News

The U.S. Army successfully used two Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM) against a moving target at sea, marking a first...

www.navalnews.com

Similarly,F2 is adapted for naval role aka SMASH

The way forward is simple:
Open systems architecture,
Modular and easily adaptable design.
F1 & F2 will make the work horse strike inventory while F4 may be focused towards more survive able solution aka the spear head of pak strike capability.

Let's see how it plays out.

Will SMASH be Menavurable enough to be a proper ASM?

 

[Abdul q]

Precision is the way forward ... ballistic missiles are crap for that.

Considering how vulnerable the airbases have become after attack deep inside russia and iran…. The underground missiles bases are absolutely necessary now…….

 

[falcon34]

- No evidence of MaRVs
- No evidence of 'deadly accurate'
- PBVs do not provide terminal maneuverability (it's a completely separate mechanism from MaRV, it works outside the atmosphere!)
- Pakistani missiles still use old steel heavy casing material, with inefficient solid rocket motors and large base fins, which modern missiles have advanced beyond.

A lot of what you are saying is just half made-up cope to feel better, no credible information to back it up.

For those who been tracking pak missile development know this very well.
Our missiles are cost effective. Either you use the fins or u use the thrust vector controls, which ones cheaper. Dr Samar himself have said that in a interview regarding S2 that it's warhead can perform programmed maneuvers in terminal phase.
We had that in 2000s, imagine what we have now, our missiles are just some means of conventional delivery systems, they have to deliver NUCLEAR warheads, guys in GHQ are not dumb to ignore development of modern missiles

they use old steel heavy casing looks like someone from NDC told u huh?.
You know nothing so your bs to yourself.

 

[falcon34]

TBH they are very depressed people here who actually know nothing these people think pak would be using junky predictable BMs to deliver Strategic nuclear warheads.
This really baffles me like who can be such deluded and self hating to even think that to those fools I will leave a picture of a pak missile from early 2000s
The problem with pakis is they love theatrics. If our nuclear delivery systems are such a junk than why hasn't India called our bluff?.
Be a sane man, don't be a dum dum

 

[falcon34]

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This what we did with our limited budget.

 

[Azin]

You guys act like it's takes a BM to nuke someone Lmao.