Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

[Corax]

well there's no visible slope leading to rocket motor and it's a babur with green paint so that leads us to believe air intake is retractable

Not sure why the sudden fascination with the intake and comparing it with the indian nirbhay...it's like two little toddlers looking at each others dingle and making comparisons.

We use a retractable intake, it's one solution to solve the issue with packaging the missile in its launch canister and providing enough turbulent free air for the turbojet. It's the same solution used by the tomahawk series. The indians being indians make a jobs programme out of everything for their babus and reinvent everything. I don't think their nirbhay is even in mass production or deployed yet, it suffered a number of failures over years, they're actually way behind Pakistan in the area of subsonic cruise missiles. We even have a sub launched version from our agostas.

 

[Quwa]

Shahpar is a Chinese design, with Chinese weapons and Chinese components.

Pakistan exports it, who knows what the deal is

@JamD IIRC that was the case with Burraq, not Shahpar (?)

 

[Ak01]

@JamD IIRC that was the case with Burraq, not Shahpar (?)

I think they're all loosely based on the LongEZ.





Which is probably why the further developments look kinda similar i guess

 

[Sipahsalar]

No platform in PAF can carry the air launched version of CM-302(YJ-12) even in PLAAF only H-6 and JH-7 carry them.

Land version can still be adapted though.

 

[JamD]

@JamD IIRC that was the case with Burraq, not Shahpar (?)

Correct. Burraq was the same exact shape as the CH3. The Shahpar is an original design, albeit sharing configuration with long-EZ. But so do many many UAVs so I wouldn't call it a copy of anything. Even Shahpar 1 and 2 have the same configuration but wildly different sizes. With that being said S2 does carry Barq urf AR1.

 

[RealNapster]

- Nope, a cruise missile is indeed an answer to a cruise missile. Many ways to skin a cat, one relies on terrain hugging, evading radar, the other on sheer speed.

- India with its S-400, Spyder, Akash etc. was not able to completely defend against the basic Fatah systems, what happens when you introduce medium range terrain hugging cruise missiles in to the mix?

- Even Israel with its most modern AD systems wasn't able to defend against the Irani systems, add to the equation that neither is the Indian air space that well defended, nor does India or Pakistan have the luxury of time Israel enjoys against opposition which has to fire huge salvos because they have to survive multiple layers of AD's of multiple countries as well as the USN ships, only to face multiple layers of AD from the Israeli side and still they were able to hit their targets.

-Whatever you may think of this development, it is still a step forward in the right direction, for 30 odd years both countries had missiles and noone was willing to use them, now that India has started to do so, the gloves have to come off.
One has to be practical and resourceful. Are there options available where we can directly import supersonic cruise missiles off the shelf? If not, what kinda time frame does it take to develop a supersonic cruise missile? and what to do in the meantime ?
Like I said, you become resourceful, and field things that are threatening and dangerous to the opposition immediately, so that you can up the ante as well until the time where we have something similar in our inventory. Also, the mere fact that Tomahawk is still in service with the US shows that the superpower of this time, thinks that such missile/tech is still relevant in the modern day.

Regards.

Can subsonic missiles do the job ? Maybe. In saturated attack.

But can it be an answer to brahmos ? 3-5 mach missile ? No.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Apparently, the FATAH-4 was also displayed outside Jinnah Stadium. This would mark the first time the system has been unveiled to the public (it had been previously acknowledged to be in development). Interestingly, it bears a striking resemblance to the Harbah-NG, a subsonic, sea-skimming cruise missile.

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Any news about Fatah 3?

 

[falcon34]

so if the V1, the baseline came out recently... babur came out a decade ago... lets do the math?

Obviously NTJ-1 is a first attempt at developing something for use in smaller missiles, like rasoob etc.

It's a mini turbojet engine not an aircraft engine note that around the same time starting offering Taimoor and harbah missiles for export...
Other than that you can make your.
It's simple deductions you don't give anything to your artillery div if that thing isn't to be used in Mass.

 

[falcon34]

I don't want to rub it in, but you guys are too late with the disappointment. Since last year I have been trying to wake up many on this forum with regards to missile development. I didn't used to get any response. It used to be a meh response.

I will repeat myself. Pakistan won't take any risk in testing and producing a high performance missile. Probably for a very long time to come in the future. After the Ababeel the Americans have been very irked. They haven't hidden their displeasure and even openly accused Pakistan of ill intent. Pakistan has even been accused of being able to strike US mainland. The Americans and especially the Israelis are very paranoid.

Since the Democrats piled the pressure before they left office and Trump took over, the general consensus is to lay low. You will see Fatah style missiles and iterations. Anything beyond this is deemed risky. I have a hunch that the decision makers are satisfied with Shaheen II. Anyone who is hoping for a hypersonic or MIRV missile needs to adjust their expectations. Such high performance missiles aren't coming anytime soon.

Nope Strategic systems are not negotiable in any circumstances, Ababeel is already operational we saw it in PA colours and its own TEL, Further development on larger dia rocket motors is ongoing and the Americans can piss off about the First route will be an SLV and than Heavy Intermediate range MIRV missiles. Ababeel is the stop gape

 

[Metal 0-1]

Not sure why the sudden fascination with the intake and comparing it with the indian nirbhay...it's like two little toddlers looking at each others dingle and making comparisons.

We use a retractable intake, it's one solution to solve the issue with packaging the missile in its launch canister and providing enough turbulent free air for the turbojet. It's the same solution used by the tomahawk series. The indians being indians make a jobs programme out of everything for their babus and reinvent everything. I don't think their nirbhay is even in mass production or deployed yet, it suffered a number of failures over years, they're actually way behind Pakistan in the area of subsonic cruise missiles. We even have a sub launched version from our agostas.

Boss mene ap ko bola kya hai

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We are our own biggest critics, sometimes a bad thing, often a good thing....

meanwhile the other side as always got spanked due to its own arrogance and stupidity.

 

[Fatman17]

List of missiles of Pakistan​

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A list of missiles used by Pakistan.

Surface-to-surface missiles​

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Rocket Artillery​

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• KRL Ghazab — (40 km)
• A-100E — (120 km) — (China)
• Fatah-I — (140 km) — (Pakistan)
• Fatah-II — (400 km) — (Pakistan) [1]
• Fatah-III — (450 km) — (Pakistan)
• Fatah-IV — (750 km) — (Pakistan)

Anti-tank Guided Missiles (ATGM)​

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• BGM-71 TOW — (3.75 km)[2] — (USA)
• GIDS Baktar-Shikan — (4 km)
• Kornet-E — (8 km) — (Russia)

Battlefield Range or Tactical Ballistic Missiles (BRBM)​

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• Hatf-I — (70–100 km)[3]
• Nasr — (70–100+ km)[4][5]
• Abdali — (180–450 km km)[6]

Short Range Ballistic Missiles (SRBM)​

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• Ghaznavi — (290–320 km)[7]
• Shaheen-I — (750–1000 km)[8]

Medium Range Ballistic Missiles (MRBM)​

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• Ghauri-I — (1,500 km)[9][10]
• Ghauri-II — (2,000–2,300 km)[11][12]
• Ababeel — (2,200 km)[7]
• Shaheen-II — (2,500 km)[13][14]
• Shaheen-III — (2,750 km)[15][16]

A transporter erector launcher (TEL), carrying four cruise missiles, on display at the IDEAS 2008 defence exhibition, Karachi, Pakistan.

Ground-Launched Anti-Ship & Anti-Surface Guided Missiles​

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• Babur 1 (Hatf VII) — (Cruise Missile) [17]
• Babur 2 (Hatf VII) — (Cruise Missile) [18]
• Zarb (C-602) — (Cruise Missile) [19]

Ship-Launched Anti-Ship & Anti-Surface Guided Missiles​

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• Harbah — (Cruise Missile) [20]
• C-802A — (Cruise Missile) — (China) [21]
• CM-302 — (Cruise Missile) — (China)
• Harpoon block-2 — (Active Radar Homing Guided Missile) — (USA)
• Exocet — (GPS/INS Guided Missile) — (France)
• P-282 SMASH — (Ship-launched variant) — (350 km)[22][23]

Ship-Launched Anti-Submarine Rockets​

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• Type 87 — (China) [24]

Submarine-Launched Anti-Ship & Anti-Surface Guided Missiles​

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• Babur 3 (Hatf VII) — (SLCM) [25][26][27]
• Exocet SM-39 — (SLCM) — (France)

 

[Psyko70]

mass numbers of babur would not be happening, i believe our current stocks are even low 3 digits

No one in right mind can have numbers even rough figures of Babur or other systems. Plus, no one will ever know what type of missiles or rockets we still havent shown or current stockpile.

Have faith. Like in may many believed Pakistan had poor systems and then we shut them up.

 

[ThoroughPro]

Again subsonic waste of money. ***** will chest thumb again stopping this average missile. SPD should have self assessment if they cant make a supersonic cruise missile when enemy and world is on hypersonic they should resign new people should come In SPD enough of it huge disappointment seeing F4.

Arms forces are not there to address peoples disappointment, they will maintain the necessary secrecy surrounding certain capabilities / inductions. Why disclose true/new capabilities beforehand to the enemy to take counter measures before hand wasting your investment. Let our own people discover the surprises when the enemy discovers them.

 

[RajaBaja]

Another subsonic missile. With this, I believe we now have some 4-5 types of subsonic missiles.

You are making the same point I've made since 2019 watching Brahmos development. Pakistan needed an equally fast missile if not better towards Hypersonic. High velocity has it's own capability.

Smash looked promising but it's not in bulk use yet. I knew before 2020, they will make Brahmos their first strike weapon and it's speed will create issues. So we need high-machs or hypersonic standard attack missile for all 3 services.

In my personal opinion, the time for subsonic missiles is gone. These have limited use. AD systems can now take out 90% of these.