Pakistan Missiles - Updates, News & Discussion

RealNapster said:
Sir indeed we are sending 1 million every year. But we are adding around 5 million every year. Our economy, education system, water reserves, health sector, job market etc still need to accommodate 4 million extra people every year. It's like giving everything (health, education, security, etc) to a full New Zealand every year. Can we really do that ?

Now if we start exporting 5+ million Pakistanis every year, that would be different. But is the world ready for 5+ million Pakistani immigrants every year ?
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At the risk of continued derailment of the thread. I don’t think you realize the situation arising in the west, East and south East Asia.

If the fertility rate comes down to around 3, the population growth in the entirety would be around 5 million. In don’t know why you’re insisting the entire number is required to be sent out.

As I said, the situation in most countries is going bad to worse, the situation in their immigration sources is going bad. So the opportunity for Pakistan will increase and locally we need to avoid an aging population which will bring challenges far worse than we can afford.

I would really recommend to read or watch videos on the demographics decline subject.
 
Bilal said:
At the risk of continued derailment of the thread. I don’t think you realize the situation arising in the west, East and south East Asia.

If the fertility rate comes down to around 3, the population growth in the entirety would be around 5 million. In don’t know why you’re insisting the entire number is required to be sent out.

As I said, the situation in most countries is going bad to worse, the situation in their immigration sources is going bad. So the opportunity for Pakistan will increase and locally we need to avoid an aging population which will bring challenges far worse than we can afford.

I would really recommend to read or watch videos on the demographics decline subject.
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I will stop responding on this issue as we are off topic.
 
Rationalist said:
You're right. Serious fundamental issues in the way this country is being run. I've grown tired of repeating it but short term celebrations are used as distractions for the country diving head first into a very dangerous landslide.

Nothing looks good the way the future trajectory is. Resources and land poorly managed. Demographics will explode in more ways than one.

Maybe only Allah really can save this country 💀
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Allah has provided plenty of examples of nations that stood by as their leaders led them to rot - we all know how he dealt with them.

Either way - lets keep the discussion focused on missile systems.
 
IMO the reason for the decline or stop gap in our Ballistic missile system is the lack of innovation or investment in R&D etc due to our empty pockets....due to india having large sums of money , a very successfull space program and large talent pool due to IIT/IIM colleges...it makes them surge in missile development as compared to us...
Our ballistic missiles till use old thrust vanes for guiding the missile in the first stage of flight...
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while the whole world utilizes flex nozzles(for SRB) and thrust vector control (for liquid fuel engines)

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this increases efficency of the booster and saves thrust...but they are difficult to develop as compared to jet vanes.....
Even indian private space companies like skyroot have been able to develop flex seals...below image is from skyroot facility..
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I think the second stage utlizes the flex seal...although its a guess.
IRAN and NK have also developed tvc nozzles for there missile program as we saw in fatah 1 hypersonic missile and the new north korean missiles...if we alocate funds to it we will defo acomplish it but will take time....
Also its off topic but in another thread people were taking about how the SLV for the satelite launch is similar to ABABEEl.but they forget that this is the kinda ideal or very good shape for satelite holding and launch...it similar to the new Iranian slv which they use for satelite launch and every other space heading rocket.....
i have seen @safriz having alot knowledge about missiles and indian missiles in particuler....so he can like tell us more about these..i hope
 
kimjongun said:
IMO the reason for the decline or stop gap in our Ballistic missile system is the lack of innovation or investment in R&D etc due to our empty pockets....due to india having large sums of money , a very successfull space program and large talent pool due to IIT/IIM colleges...it makes them surge in missile development as compared to us...
Our ballistic missiles till use old thrust vanes for guiding the missile in the first stage of flight...
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while the whole world utilizes flex nozzles(for SRB) and thrust vector control (for liquid fuel engines)

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this increases efficency of the booster and saves thrust...but they are difficult to develop as compared to jet vanes.....
Even indian private space companies like skyroot have been able to develop flex seals...below image is from skyroot facility..
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I think the second stage utlizes the flex seal...although its a guess.
IRAN and NK have also developed tvc nozzles for there missile program as we saw in fatah 1 hypersonic missile and the new north korean missiles...if we alocate funds to it we will defo acomplish it but will take time....
Also its off topic but in another thread people were taking about how the SLV for the satelite launch is similar to ABABEEl.but they forget that this is the kinda ideal or very good shape for satelite holding and launch...it similar to the new Iranian slv which they use for satelite launch and every other space heading rocket.....
i have seen @safriz having alot knowledge about missiles and indian missiles in particuler....so he can like tell us more about these..i hope
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Pakistan's Missile program is tied to Indian missile program , specially Indian ABM capabilities.
If India gets better ABM, Pakistan will develop better Delivery systems for Nuclear warheads.
Only after S-400 coming to India, Pakistan developed or revealed Shaheen 3 and Ababeel.
Both able to punch through S-400 capabilities.
Shaheen 3 warhead has a terminal or Splash down into atmosphere speed of Mach 14, which is at the limit of S-400 Tracking radar.
Ababeel deploys multiple warheads. 3x to be precise, and all 3 are S-3 warheads.
AT the moment these capabilities are good enough.
Ababeel the ugly duckling, does the job, but its just a Shaheen 3 two stages, and a SUPARCO liquid fuel SLV slapped on the top. Looks like an SLV , because that's what it is.

About Thrust vectoring on Nuclear ballistic missiles, the more complications and more moving parts you put on any machinery, you are creating more points of failure. These systems need to work reliably in the harshest of the conditions and simpler is better. Failure is not an option when you want to launch nuclear weapons.
More shenanigans means more chances of machinery Failure.

Unlike Pakistan Indian missile program has too many politically influential beneficiary , and they will invest in developing things which are not really needed.
The other factor for the seemingly more advanced missiles in use with India is that India develops same Nuclear capable missiles for Pakistan and China.
Pakistan develops them for India only.
Theirs need to be more advanced than us, as Chinese ABM and other capabilities are far more advanced.
 
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@Panzerkiel
a month or two back a NOTAM was given from our side, it was around 800-1000km and Broke, later you clarified it was an Abdali test of 700km range. Was it ballistic missile?, thirdly if it was ballistic missile why show the F4 being a CM whilst there was a ballistic system or it's not meant for PARF??.
Can you shed some light on this.
 
Oscar said:
Not exactly - each munition looks for a different mechanism of attack. The US is still focusing on the stealthy LRASM while developing hypersonics.

Hypersonic aircraft require a higher degree of engineering and will be expensive but also be detected much sooner.

So not a tip of the spear so much as spear vs arrow vs slingshot each shot at different angles to overwhelm defenders
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It seems both China and the US are doing an all of the above strategy. A mix of systems across all capabilities. Especially if the munition is small enough and light enough, but stealthy enough to be launched in salvos to overwhelm an opponent.

Chinese LRASM? If its light enough, it could be carried by a flight of four J-10s of the PAF In the anti-shipping role; 16 missiles with a 500 nautical mile range, all flying in from different axis of attack, could really chop up a blockading force.
 

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Pakistan’s Fatah-4 Cruise Missile Extends Conventional Strike Reach Beyond 750 km​

On August 12, 2025, ahead of the national day commemorating the country’s creation, and according to information published by Defense Times on X, the Pakistan Army officially unveiled the Fatah-4, a new-generation, long-range, ground-launched cruise missile. Designed for conventional precision strikes, this system marks a departure from the evolution of the Fatah family, which until now had been dominated by ballistic missiles and guided rockets. Its induction reflects Islamabad’s intent to strengthen independent strike capabilities while preserving nuclear delivery systems for strategic deterrence
 
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