Pakistan Navy Gun Boats - News / Discussion

[ThoroughPro]

We need Ships which have VLS for both Air Defense missiles and long range cruise missiles at least 1500 KM range ones.

You don't need a train to go get groceries, a Suzuki Mehran will suffice. Gun boats are for patrolling coastal regions, safeguarding your ports and checking fishing boats / smuggling, you need Air Defence missiles for that purpose.

 

[RajaBaja]

As an underdeveloped nation, we should continue to hide our strengths and work on our weaknesses. That's the best strategy.

Good point. We are expanding our capability of ship building internally like I mentioned in my prior posts.

We have allocated 1000 acres on Port Qasim to build and expand our ship building capability by putting in automated ship breakdown, metal processing and automated manufacturing like it happens in China.

Per the estimates, by 2028 these facilities spanning over 1000 Acres will become functional. It will increase Pakistan's ship manufacturing capability by 700% increase, both in speed to build and time to build.

Some or many of future PN ships will be built locally through this entire ship building complex. That number of having 50 combat ships will have a good number produced locally.

 

[kimjongun]

Indian Navy Fleet Composition (2024-2025)
Ship Type Current Strength Details
Aircraft Carriers 2 INS Vikrant, INS Vikramaditya ,
Destroyers 11-13 Various classes including Kolkata and Visakhapatnam class ,
Frigates 12-14 Including new Nilgiri class frigates ,
Corvettes 18-20 Various corvette and missile boat classes ,
Submarines 16-19 Including conventional and nuclear submarines
Amphibious Ships 9+ 1 Amphibious Transport Dock + 8 Tank Landing Ships ,
Support Vessels 40+ Various auxiliary and support craft ,
Fleet Summary Statistics
Category Total Numbers
Total Active Warships 135+ warships
Total Fleet Units 100-150 units
Aircraft & Helicopters 300+ aircraft
Active Personnel 67,252 active + 75,000 reserve
Recent Additions (2025)
The Indian Navy recently commissioned 2 new Nilgiri Class frigates on August 26, 2025:
INS Udaygiri [F35]
INS Himgiri [F34]
This is the current INDIAN NAVY FLEET SIZE..our navy has been neglegted since independence.....the focus has only been on the army(shouldn't be)AND AF(as it should be)..the budget of navy is maybe even less then a billion dollars...our ships used to be heavily corroded and old....we used to buy old second hand ships which had only some years of life in them...The only new induction at that time was the MPAs...Every time a retard like MESS CHEF ARYA or Indian trollers say we will destroy Karachi port etc...boils my blood but deep down ik that our navy is seriously lacking in front of IN...these short comings are also known by the higher ups in PN too..and we are preparing for it....Now with the inductions of Type 54 AP frigate,Seasultans,Hangor class subs etc i think that we are heading the right way....

 

[Aamir Hussain]

The strength of ones fleet is derived from the mission of the force.

IN is a blue water force with a mission to protect its coastline (7,500 Km vs 1,000+ of ours), EEZ, SLOC and force projection in the east till Indonesia, In the west it patrols till straits of Hormuz and coastline of Oman, South West, it projects force in and around Gulf of Aden and Madagascar. It has listening posts in Oman, Madagascar, Seychelles and Mauritius. It is also part of the various anti pirate operations as we are. Furthermore, as part of the "Quad" they are required to share the burden of containment of China and hence we see so many recent programs of shipbuilding. Recently, IN has been active inside Gulf of Aden a lot. Logically, they will have to equip their Navy for these roles. If you want to be recognised as the regional policemen, you have to have the means to police that region including search and rescue duties, intelligence gathering and sharing, anti piracy ops not only in and around Somalia but off the coast of Indonesia and the general area. Therefore, a relatively large force is needed to do all this and more.

 

[salaar]

This worth the capability argument only really works in places where countries can actually afford them.

Remember, Yarmooks are still running without Radars, the VLS cells have not been fitted.

Remember, Harbah's have only been fitted to a single PN vessel.

etc etc, theres many examples of the harsh realities, the PN just cant afford everything.

Even the Tughril class are scaled down- they have a bunch of kit deleted, including the Towed Array Sonar.

PN has no choice. The addition of a further 12 cells requires reengineering recertification etc, costs pile up.

I remember visiting KSEW, The Baburs were ready to be handed to PN dockyard, but PN refused to accept delivery for a while... discussing it with MD KSEW... the reason? no money.

We cant use the capability benefit scenario too much here, because the real restrictive factor is cost. The best approach for PN is to FFBNW, which is seemingly whats happened on yarmook batch 2

Regarding the missing capabilities that you mentioned, especially about the tughrils. What effect will it have on the fighting capabilities of the ship, and also can they be fitted on the ships in the future, or will PN have to make do with current capabilities?

 

[Pak-Warrior]

ok retard, i guess CNS, Myself and literally every other analyst know nothing, but raja saab has added another 'area of expertise' to his CV. Its pretty impressive how well you talk out your arse.

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LMAO! exactly. Below was funniest I came along though.

.. CPEC is going live soon and PN has submitted official growth needs and plans the GOP asked for. Funding will be made available for strategic acquisitions. I think I've provided a small strategy on this thread or on some other thread.

Here is what we need in short term by 2030 and then full acquisition hopefully by 2035 as it's our official goal also.

Short Term - Before 2030: To stop any aggression from IN:
....
- Acquisition of 5 destroyers and 7 more frigates with larger 64 or more VLS. This will form 5 destroyer based task forces deployed all across our EEZ in a 3-4 ship formation.

By 2035:
- 10-12 missile attack Subs + 2 nuclear subs for 2nd strike capability.
- 50 Combat ships, equaling to 10 destroyers lead task forces with 5 ships in every formation.
- 2-3 squadrons of J-10C dedicated to Naval operations. Or 1 squadron stealth and 1 J-10C's and 1 JF-17 block III.

Notice statements as some Royal decree being passed or orders being passed to govts of China & Pakistan.

CPEC is going live soon. (His majesty has said so yes)

PN has submitted official growth needs and plans the GOP asked for (His majesty don't care about providing sources ofcourse)

Funding will be made available for strategic acquisitions (OFcourse his majesty has ordered PM to release funds)

I think I've provided a small strategy on this thread or on some other thread. (Oh really what we would have done if his majesty not bestowed us with small strategy)

Acquisition of 5 destroyers and 7 more frigates with larger 64 or more VLS. This will form 5 destroyer based task forces deployed all across our EEZ in a 3-4 ship formation. (HUrrray!! GREAT)

Presenting Wishlist as commands. Its ridiculous!

How come one can have such kiddish analytical skills but still is sticking on forum 24/7 like a annoying sticky glue.

 

[Ak01]

LMAO! exactly. Below was funniest I came along though.



Notice statements as some Royal decree being passed or orders being passed to govts of China & Pakistan.

CPEC is going live soon. (His majesty has said so yes)

PN has submitted official growth needs and plans the GOP asked for (His majesty don't care about providing sources ofcourse)

Funding will be made available for strategic acquisitions (OFcourse his majesty has ordered PM to release funds)

I think I've provided a small strategy on this thread or on some other thread. (Oh really what we would have done if his majesty not bestowed us with small strategy)

Acquisition of 5 destroyers and 7 more frigates with larger 64 or more VLS. This will form 5 destroyer based task forces deployed all across our EEZ in a 3-4 ship formation. (HUrrray!! GREAT)

Presenting Wishlist as commands. Its ridiculous!

How come one can have such kiddish analytical skills but still is sticking on forum 24/7 like a annoying sticky glue.

annoying sticky glue is such a perfect description lol

PN sitting there with its 900m budget wondering how to pick up 12 new ships lol

 

[kimjongun]

annoying sticky glue is such a perfect description lol

PN sitting there with its 900m budget wondering how to pick up 12 new ships lol

and that with 64 vls each...i aint no expert but i belive rajababa is just super enthusiastic

 

[RajaBaja]

and that with 64 vls each...i aint no expert but i belive rajababa is just super enthusiastic

The plan goes until 2035. The things I've been writing about, are ALL part of the strategy.

Pakistan wasted many years in sort of a holding pattern due to bad economy and instability. While India has kept piling combat weapons. With May 2025, it has now become extremely obvious to everyone that India wants our blood and land. Thus the current strategy.

By 2028, when we re-balance the GDP, the defense budget will take a serious jump and then we would know where our military acquisitions are headed in reality. I am only sharing the plans as they are out for public debate.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

I am only sharing the plans as they are out for public debate.

You shared nothing except "trust me bro".

The things I've been writing about, are ALL part of the strategy.

and who told you that they are part of strategy ? I won't be surprised if you claim that you were part of drafting the strategy. till now we have known you well.

By 2028, when we re-balance the GDP

Again posting dates with over confidence. Who told you about 2028? What reports / facts / data that you have to back it up Or just "trust me" source ?

 

[General Hannibal]

From your post: PN's 50 ships include 30 'GUNBOATS"? also, see the bold above from your post. The gap in knowledge is so much that I don't know how to have this discussion. You are entitled to your viewpoint so I'll respect it and end the discussion.

Just not: PN will have 50 "combat ships" before 2035. "Combat Ships" are NOT "gun boats"!

How pn will have 50 combat ships before 2035?It's now 2025.pn didn’t receive single ordered chines submarine yet ordered in 2015.(pn will receive them this year).4 type-54a frigate received take nearly 6 years.babur class corvette 5 years.tell me how pn will have 50 combat ships before 2035?

 

[RajaBaja]

How pn will have 50 combat ships before 2035?It's now 2025.pn didn’t receive single ordered chines submarine yet ordered in 2015.(pn will receive them this year).4 type-54a frigate received take nearly 6 years.babur class corvette 5 years.tell me how pn will have 50 combat ships before 2035?

I gave out the plan that's published. If they can't achieve it by 2035, they may add 3-5 years into it. The plan is built with keeping threats and economic outlook in mind with minimum deterrence capacity.
Indian navy going towards 300 ships, PN estimating 50 ships is still minimum deterrence.

By 2028 everything will be clear regarding our direction. 2028 is when we'll re-baseline our GDP and the economy, and hopefully the defense budget will get a big boost.

 

[General Hannibal]

I gave out the plan that's published. If they can't achieve it by 2035, they may add 3-5 years into it. The plan is built with keeping threats and economic outlook in mind with minimum deterrence capacity.
Indian navy going towards 300 ships, PN estimating 50 ships is still minimum deterrence.

By 2028 everything will be clear regarding our direction. 2028 is when we'll re-baseline our GDP and the economy, and hopefully the defense budget will get a big boost.

Ok.share the link which publication has published that??like how pn will get type-55 (13000 ton) destroyer? Who will sell them?last i checked China only allow type-52E (6000 ton) destroyer to ecport to foreign nations.btw,how Pakistan will re adjust It's GDP with only 40 billion (2025)in export?

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Ok.share the link which publication has published that??like how pn will get type-55 (13000 ton) destroyer? Who will sell them?last i checked China only allow type-52E (6000 ton) destroyer to ecport to foreign nations.btw,how Pakistan will re adjust It's GDP with only 40 billion (2025)in export?

Yeah! Type 055 is out of question. Even Type52D is out of question. 5 to 7 destroyers number is way too exaggeration of the supposed "plan".

But IMO, PN can go for couple of Type-54Bs or Type-52Es (smaller / export version of 52Ds) whenever there is availability of funds.

 

[FuturePAF]

Yeah! Type 055 is out of question. Even Type52D is out of question. 5 to 7 destroyers number is way too exaggeration of the supposed "plan".

But IMO, PN can go for couple of Type-54Bs or Type-52Es (smaller / export version of 52Ds) whenever there is availability of funds.

This proposed Type 05X destroyer at 9000 tons and 80 VLS, that China maybe building for its Type 004 Carrier escort task force, seems to be a good option, IMHO, for Pakistan’s need for 6 destroyers. Commonalty with the PLAN can allow for interoperability and for Pakistani facilities to host visiting PLAN vessels, possibly at an expand facility at Ormara, or a new larger facility near Karachi.

It’s the ship on the right, which I suspect will have two CGT-40 gas turbines at 42 MW each. Which would be world class, in terms of “thrust to weight”.


Source: from the other thread about Chinese carrier development


With 80 UVLS, it can have enough space to quad pack enough modern missiles to counter the barrages of dozens of Brahmos the Indians plan to fire in a conflict.

Similar to how the Mk.41 can carry 4 CAMM-ER missiles per tube:


Source for these two pictures:

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