Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

I just have some questions, and I wonder if we have the details.

A. Would Pakistan be involved in Saudi wars in Yemen, Syria, and Sudan, and possibly Iran?
Most Pakistanis would be fine with protecting Saudi Arabia itself but not with fighting other friendly nations. ...
Yemen, Syria, Sudan and Iran don't have any plans to attack and/or invade Saudi Arabia. Zion has become a much bigger existential threat to thee countries.

This pact is something that Muslims had been hoping, wishing and dreaming of for centuries, ever since Muslim lands were first colonised by Westerners.

B. Would Saudi Arabia come to help against India, even if not militarily, but at least economically, diplomatically?
That's the idea of a mutual defence pact.

C. Will our troops, including the Air Force, air defense, and armed forces, be stationed in Saudi Arabia alongside the Americans, who already perform air defense duties (as far as I know)?
Pakistan has around 10,000 troops stationed in Saudi Arabia.

Americans want to leave the Middle East. It's no longer in their interests to be here and they want Zion to replace the US as the dominant power.

So even if Israel attacks Saudi Arabia, we might not have sufficient resources stationed there to help them ward off such an attack.
All necessary resources will be deployed all over Saudi Arabia but nothing will be reported.

Saudi Arabia is just the first Arab country to sign the mutual defence pact with Pakistan. Others have been offered the same assurance by Pakistan.

Pakistan is a military power but not an economic power. Saudi Arabia is an economic power.

  • 20 June 2023: The Special Investment Facilitation Council (SIFC) is established in Pakistan to fast track investment from the Middle East.
  • 31 December 2024: The Uraan Pakistan initiative is launched to make Pakistan a $1 trillion economy by 2035.
 
I think the strategically smart decision would be to diversify and buy Chinese equipment, but I know how our boys love Lockheed Martin, so I suspect they'll jump at the chance to get more American equipment.

They are topgun wannabe missing dogfight very much.
 
This is BS, Israel cannot "do an Iran" on Pakistan.

Killing scientists and hacking reactors works if you want to stop a power trying tio develop a nuke capability. Pakistan has had one for over 40 years now. It has insitutions, many reactors, hundreds of warheads, gradates many scientists every year. It has a massive infrastructure that we do not need to hide. Killing a few scientists or damaging a couple of reactors will mean very little (otherwise US and India would have also tried).

Iran also had many people willing to betray their country, Pakistan probably has some too, but very few and also remember what they do to us will be returned "quid pro quo plus".....

Additionally, Iran has fractures between the "IR" and "Reformists" which Israel has exploited between these warring parties to get to the heart of the nuclear programme to destroy it, and iran. Those fissures do not exist in Pakistan at all. Pakistan's are united against external threats. Hiring 1-2 terrorists to let off a bomb is one thing, but getting close to hurting Pakistan nuclear programme has zero chance, let alone trying to harm it.
 
Both Pakistan and Saudi are China's good buddies, I think this agreement will have a very positive impact in the Middle East.


I wouldn’t be surprised if this pact extends to include Nato Turkey maybe Azerbaijan. Turkey and Azerbaijan have also very close military and political ties with Pakistanis already.
 
Additionally, Iran has fractures between the "IR" and "Reformists" which Israel has exploited between these warring parties to get to the heart of the nuclear programme to destroy it, and iran. Those fissures do not exist in Pakistan at all. Pakistan's are united against external threats. Hiring 1-2 terrorists to let off a bomb is one thing, but getting close to hurting Pakistan nuclear programme has zero chance, let alone trying to harm it.

Yup, CIA and Mossad tried in 80s and 90s, that was there chance.

Impossible now, unless you literally invade all of Pakistan
 
Has an Iranian ever sat and flown in a modern fighter jet?

If Iran purchased J10CE, there may not be an Indian-Pakistan air war but an Israeli-Iran air war.
 
Lack independent air defence too, remember, those Israeli missiles flew from Red Sea all across Saudi to reach Qatar.

Saudi and US CENTCOM Air defence did nothing.....
More likely they flew over Syria, Iraq and the Persian Gulf.

Earlier, they flew over Syria and Iraq to attack Iran.
 
No one here is really trying to undermine Iran in any way

But luulz has to say in the same sentence how bad everyone else is
It’s off-topic so I will make just one post.

The funniest thing is @Lulldapull is reported by Iranian members the most. They think he overestimates Iran far beyond their capabilities. Iran is a country who couldn’t find their own President when his plane was crashed for days… and sought Turkish help and Turkey used only one drone to find him in just a couple of hours.

But he lives in a different world, if Iran failed to make a powerful Airforce because other nations don’t sell them advanced weapons, it means they don’t need it… It’s like saying “The grapes are sour”.

I have tried to argue with him in the past and tried to explain the importance of Airforce, similar to what Israel did in Iran when they were flying in the skies all by themselves but he has other reasons to discredit these concerns.
 
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Twitter post is wrong. Pakistan is not going to try a build something in the same category as the J-35 / Kaan !!!!
 
Years ago, I was meeting the Saudi Ambassador as my job while in service. He told me that during his pre-departure protocol meeting with the King, his majesty wagged his finger at him to emphasise the importance of Pak-Saudi ties. So, after decades of groundwork, that bilateralism has been at last formalised into a ‘Strategic Mutual Defence Agreement (SMDA)’ signed by both sides in the Royal Court of Al Yamamah Palace in Riyadh on 17 September 2025.

The joint statement on the MOFA, Islamabad website describes the landmark Agreement purposed “to strengthen joint deterrence against any aggression. The agreement states that any aggression against either country shall be considered an aggression against both”. Whereas other details are not public, hence speculations would be counterproductive and unneeded, the cited presser points towards a NATO style partnership, where an attack on one country would be warranting a ‘joint response’.

Use of Pakistani military muscle in support of the Kingdom, and the Kingdom’s political, diplomatic and financial support has a long history hence the SMDA is not surprising for those in the know. India, after studying the proposals, has hoped Riyadh would be cognizant of Indian sensitivities, without elaborating.

Historic legacy

Recognising an independent Pakistan in 1947, Pakistan and KSA signed a “Treaty of Friendship,” in 1951, laying the foundation of strategic, political, military, and economic cooperation, later morphing into people-to-people, government-to-government, military-to-military, and business-to-business ties spanning almost eight decades.

In the security sector alone, since the 1970s, Pakistani soldiers are stationed in Saudi Arabia for the sacred calling of protecting the Harmain Shareefain. Training cooperation for officers and men at Pakistani military academies and other institutions is now longstanding. Advisory support to the Saudi military is in place. Extensive collaboration with the Royal Saudi land, air, naval forces, air defence and Royal Guards is ongoing, including secondment of fighter pilots and doctors to the Kingdom.

PAF fighter pilots took part in the Al-Wadiah War between Saudi Arabia and South Yemen in 1969, whereas Pakistan Army Engineers built Saudi fortifications along Saudi border with Yemen etc. Tabuk hosted a Pakistani armoured brigade in the 1970s and 80s under another agreement famously called the ‘1982 Protocol’. During the first Gulf War in August 1990, an infantry and an armoured brigade from Pakistan were deployed along Saudi-Iraq border. Pakistani battalions remain deployed in Mecca. All military services from both sides conduct regular security and counter-terrorism exercises.
The Kingdom has extensively collaborated in the development of Pakistan’s main battle tank (MBT) Al-Khalid. Joint R&D and defence manufacturing is a continuing process. Saudi Arabia also imports large quantity of Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF)-manufactured arms and ammunition. In 2016 alone, POF exported arms and munitions worth $81 million to Riyadh.

Pakistan was also one of the key intermediaries in the Al-Yamamah arms deal, a series of arms contracts in the 1970s between the Kingdom and the UK, facilitating payment for Western arms through Saudi oil. Pakistan’s former COAS, Gen Raheel Sharif, commands the 41-nation ‘Islamic Military Counter Terrorism’ coalition, headquartered in Riyadh.
The list goes on. So, what sparked the Agreement?

The catalyst

Israel, the new sheriff in the Middle East, was always an essential component of the Saudi threat perception. Tabuk deployment is a case in point. Although the bonhomie under the Abraham Accord, and America’s enthusiastic push towards normalisation of relations between Riyadh and Tel Aviv had created a lot of hopeful momentum, the US dithering for extending a nuclear umbrella to Riyadh and Washington’s unequivocal support to Israel remained major impediments to any breakthrough. Recent incidents led to the Saudi change of heart under the very dynamic, savvy and progressive crown prince Mohammad Bin Salman’s (MBS).

One, Israel’s brutal war of Palestinian extermination in Gaza under its strategy of Dahiya or ‘domicide’ (rendering places uninhabitable through destruction) and America’s outright callous support to Israel. Two, the joint US-Israeli attack on Iran in June this year and the extensive usage of surrender phraseology in the arrogant conduct of that war. Three, the September 9, Israeli attack on Qatar, America’s major non-NATO ally, host to the sprawling Al-Udaid airbase, upgraded with Qatari money, accommodating US, UK and Australian troops; and the fact that Doha remains a major buyer of high-cost US military hardware. Sheriff Netanyahu has categorically said, he sees it right to pursue ‘terrorists’ anywhere in the world, under his ‘presumed’ notion of self-defence. Israel under Bibi’s right-wing government has become a regional and global threat and that greatly unsettles the Middle East.

The thinking in the Arab world, once clamouring for US protection, changed overnight, especially after the 10 Israeli missiles struck Doha. The US feigned ignorance initially and then conceded Israel had informed it on very short notice. The fickleness and unreliability of US interlocution have led to a search for alternatives, like the notion of some sort of ‘collective security’ among the Arab/Islamic states, as stated in the communiqué after the extraordinary and joint AL-OIC Summit in Doha on 15 September.

Collective security is a messy concept, and even NATO finds interoperability hard during deployments, hence the sensible push for multilateral and bilateral arrangements. And that provides a backdrop and urgency to the Saudi-Pak Defence Agreement that took almost a year to formalise.

The treaty & the agreement

The nuances and the debate about the binding nature of the treaty versus agreement aside; and given that speculation without knowing the exact Agreement details is misplaced; it is suffice to mention that any ‘defence agreement’ would and should deal with certain essentials like joint appreciation of the situation, threat perception and response options for perceived ‘aggression’, consequent training collaboration, required deployment of forces, basing possibilities, employment details in various scenarios, and the entailing logistic support, command and control modalities and other plans. The pact also might entail joint R&D, defence production, and trade in defence software and hardware.

Threat perception

As highlighted in the changed global and regional environment, Tel Aviv under its ‘present’ leadership poses a threat to both Pakistan and the Kingdom. Threat is the sum total of intention and capability. Israel possesses both. In military methodology, environment (global, regional and domestic) leads to threat perception and assessment, which in turn goes into exploring response options; and response provides basis for the developmental strategy, dealing with equipping the force. Israel poses non-contact threat to KSA and Pakistan. And Israel combined with India and a troubled Afghanistan provides a 2.5 front contact war scenario, under Pakistan’s complicated threat matrix.

Without gunning for a war with IDF, an over-confident and militarily ascendant Israel does pose a significant threat to both nations, after its conduct of war in Gaza, possible annexation of West bank, imposition of humiliating terms on Hezbollah in Lebanon, offensive posturing to Syria’s new Government and after fighting a bruising conflict with Iran. ‘Deterrence’ against Israel militarily would be marginally possible in the conventional domains, but more significant and robust in the non-conventional or nuclear domain. As an extension of the ‘nuclear umbrella’, remains the soul of the Agreement, therefore, ‘defensive deployment of non-conventional means alone’ would constitute ‘credible deterrence’.

Pakistan, thanks to Allah, its military, its scientific backbone and support from Saudi Arabia today possesses a nuclear triad (air, land and sea-based), which is reliable, fail-safe and multiplatform. Pakistan can effectively provide the needed nuclear umbrella to Riyadh, with the resolve to use it, if push comes to shove. In any case, any attack on Saudi Arabia raises an immense and uncontrollable emotional reaction in Pakistan. The November 1979 standoff by terrorist Juhayman al-Utaybi whose militants seized Haram Shareef in Mecca, is a case in point. While Pakistani commandos cleared the holy mosque, in Islamabad, the US embassy was burnt to ashes, as rumours of an American hand were rife. And by the evening, no liquor store in Peshawar, where one lived, remained intact.

There is a strong inkling that any exchange between Israel with either Pakistan or the Kingdom would descend precariously into the nuclear domain, given the political and psychological costs involved. Perceived attack on Harmain raises immense psychological cost; and attack on Pakistani nuclear sites, although of no utility other than embarrassing Pakistan’s military, would and should entaila quick, decisive, and punishing response.

Basing options of mainly the non-conventional capability, under the Agreement, as and when worked out, mitigates and deters any Israeli adventurism against the Kingdom and against Pakistan. And it also fortifies Pakistan’s response options against a bellicose India under its ‘new normal’. It compensates for Pakistan’s linear geography, range and reach complications. ‘Shaheens’ would find skies less contested, saturation and suppression of the enemy air defence (SEAD) relatively easy, and penetration through ‘slings and domes’ possible, if the calling ‘ever’ came.

The implications

First, the Agreement upgrades bilateral defence ties to the next level, integrating Pakistan’s military muscle with the Kingdom’s financial power; strengthening ‘joint deterrence’; and ensuring a binding security partnership. The optics of the visit and the high-profile presence of Field Marshal Syed Asim Munir underscore the military's stakes on either side. Even in turbulent times, Pak-Saudi military diplomacy has remained robust.

Second, there is speculation that commitment to joint defence might drag Pakistan into unwanted conflicts, like the Saudi pressure on Pakistan in 2015 to join Houthi war in Yemen. Pakistan’s successive governments have avoided such involvement, but in the changed circumstances, it would be good to be seen to be counted. Hedging for middle powers like Pakistan with a weak economy is never beneficial. Pakistan-Saudi Arabia and China is the emerging entente. Riyadh’s own defence diversification, investment and closer collaboration with China could be positively leveraged. Pak-Saudi jointness would certainly suppress potential conflicts.

Third, with regard to China, the triad of Chinese technology in surveillance, stealth, and AI — now decisively comparable to the West, as shown during the May Indo-Pakistan standoff — Pakistani military strength, demonstrated through the effective use of the J-10C/PL-15E combination and integration of other kill-networks, and Saudi financing could form a stabilising force in an otherwise volatile Middle East and South Asia.

Fourth, contrary to common perception, the Agreement reinforces Pak-India deterrence and is likely to work for peace between India and Pakistan, because of Riyadh-New Delhi commercial interests (US $43 billion bilateral trade in 2023-24, and growing); the Indian diaspora in the Kingdom (2.6 million); and New Delhi’s reliance on the Saudi (16-20%) and Gulf oil. The fact that India would not take the US bait of standing up militarily to neighbourly China and given the mercurial nature of the Indo-US relationship under the Trump presidency continuing until 2028, India, hopefully, might’ shun the path of conflict in its rise as a regional power, and instead value cooperation over competition and amity over arrogance in its dealings with Islamabad.

Fifth, GCC would enthusiastically welcome the Saudi initiative, being the most powerful and largest Arab nation. Most GCC sheikhdoms are US-UK protectorates, unable to pursue divergent and more independent policies. This might pave the way for more strategic independence in due course of time. This template in due course could be extended to UAE and Qatar, Pakistan’s two key allies, with mutual consensus. Deputy PM Dar and Defence Minister Khawaja Asif have alluded to the expansion of the Agreement.

Sixth, KSA still enjoys and will continue to enjoy a special relationship with Washington that has traditionally been used for Pakistan’s benefit. As of mid-2025, some 40,000–50,000 US troops remain in 19 US bases across the Middle East, including the Prince Sultan Air Base outside Riyadh. If Israel could be restrained, the Agreement does not impinge upon America’s core interest in the region.

Seventh, there is a feeling that, consequent to the Agreement, Pakistan risks entanglement in Saudi Arabia’s regional rivalries, like with Iran and Yemen. However, the US/Israeli attack on Iran has greatly altered the regional security paradigm, and Iran, during the emergency AL/OIC session, emphasised Muslim unity. Pro-Pakistan sentiment in Tehran consequent to Pakistan’s support during the cited crisis, and earlier rapprochement between Iran and KSA augur well. This is likely to diminish the Houthi threat to the Kingdom as well.

So, in a nutshell, this watershed Agreement is a paradigm shift that was years in the making. It addresses the Kingdom’s vulnerability against a nuclear-armed, bellicose and uncontrolled Israel, while at the same time, it extends an economic lifeline to Pakistan. It essentially is a defensive framework that is Riyadh and Islamabad’s sovereign right. Naysayers and detractors need to be more restrained in their commentary.

Time to celebrate without being unnecessarily apologetic. Nations do what they do in their selfish national interest, without fear and appeasement!
 
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It’s off-topic so I will make just one post.

The funniest thing is @Lulldapull is reported by Iranian members the most. They think he overestimates Iran far beyond their capabilities. Iran is a country who couldn’t find their own President when his plane was crashed for days… and sought Turkish help and Turkey used only one drone to find him in just a couple of hours.

But he lives in a different world, if Iran failed to make a powerful Airforce because other nations don’t sell them advanced weapons, it means they don’t need it… It’s like saying “The grapes are sour”.

I have tried to argue with him in the past and tried to explain the importance of Airforce, similar to what Israel did in Iran when they were flying in the skies all by themselves but he has other reasons to discredit these concerns.
He could be another personality of a former prominent poster with links to Iran 😆

Sometimes I feel like the patois Mish mash he communicates with is needed to keep it going.

It's all good, lull makes solid contributions as long as we don't discuss Iran.
 
Hmm Yes, except that China does not have a 'mutual defence pact' with Pakistan or any of its other allies that will make it bound to use its military against banyland or any other enemy.
That's correct. But they have assured that both North Korea and Pakistan are nuclear powers and armed enough to blast their adversaries into complete destruction.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if this pact extends to include Nato Turkey maybe Azerbaijan. Turkey and Azerbaijan have also very close military and political ties with Pakistanis already.
I am not sure why Pakistanis are obsessed with dragging the Turks into every military conversation.

Azerbaijan-Pakistan-Turkiye have a defence understanding.

Pakistan-Saudi Arabia-Turkiye have a defence understanding.

Iran-Pakistan have defence understanding.
China-Pakistan have a defence understanding.

Pakistan-Saudi Arabia had a defence understanding which has now been turned into a pact.

They are a number trilateral and bilateral agreements between Pakistan and other nations.
 
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