Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[StormBreaker]

HQ-9 probably. Not HQ-19. In either case, there needs to be a network of radars for early warning and interception. This cannot be operationalised overnight, unless the KSA has already acquired and networked the Chinese radar systems.

HQ-9 batteries don’t look like that.

 

[Hazard]

It's not about $$$, it's about keeping the oil flowing .. GCC account for 80 percent of our energy imports, without it we will simply collapse. We can fight Indian for years , Afghanistan for decades, without oil we won't last 3 weeks . People over here are overthinking it .. it's really a no brainer

No, that isn't the case at all. For over 70 years we were obtaining Oil from these nations without being tied down to this pact. Purchasing Oil is a simple business transaction that has been taking place for years.

This security pact greatly benefits Saudi, and whilst we're not privy to finer details, on the surface I can't see any tangible benefits for Pakistan. Once again our rulers failed to put our interests first.

You have to remember we are the sole Nuclear power in Islamic world, and we should have obtained an arm and a leg in return for providing this shield. But the question is, did we?

 

[Sal12]

Its a wrong move to send fighter Jets and related equipment to Saudia at this stage. This will be used against Iran which we will bring Pak into the wider war against Iran.

 

[Sinnerman108]

No, that isn't the case at all. For over 70 years we were obtaining Oil from these nations without being tied down to this pact. Purchasing Oil is a simple business transaction that has been taking place for years.

This security pact greatly benefits Saudi, and whilst we're not privy to finer details, on the surface I can't see any tangible benefits for Pakistan. Once again our rulers failed to put our interests first.

You have to remember we are the sole Nuclear power in Islamic world, and we should have obtained an arm and a leg in return for providing this shield. But the question is, did we?

Yes, it is a mutually beneficial pact.
What we are getting is exactly what we required and same goes for Saudis.
and I am very glad and happy, this time they thought it through.

 

[Ibbi32]

Having more partners, especially like minded ones is beneficial for us. Programmes like say for example PFX (yes yes laugh it up) can actually see some fruition since you have these rich arab backers bankrolling your R&D. And the project may actually be more ambitious as you may have interest from the arab backers, enough for them to purchase the aircraft of be part of the entire production

How is qatar likeminded? They keep supporting taliban diplomatically, Al-jazeera runs anti Pakistan propaganda daily, they let themselves get bombed by Israel and their first thought is asking about a sorry, they gifted a 500 mln plane to trump only to get cucked instead and then double downed with signing a defence pact with the US. Weak arab cucks have no place in Pakistans strategic calculus, they will only be a liability.

 

[Ibbi32]

Having more partners, especially like minded ones is beneficial for us. Programmes like say for example PFX (yes yes laugh it up) can actually see some fruition since you have these rich arab backers bankrolling your R&D. And the project may actually be more ambitious as you may have interest from the arab backers, enough for them to purchase the aircraft of be part of the entire production

Azerbaijan and Saudis are already firmly backing PFX. Current customers with whom we are discussing these recent export successes are also willing buyers. Qatar is not necessary for the projects success.

 

[313Ghazi]

That's what defence pacts are for, however I hope PAF is planning to aquire more equipment and train more staff to backfill the new requirements. I also hope we get hold of their F15s and Typhoons next time we want to spank the Indians.

 

[PK781]

UAE now has no choice, will have to jump into bed completely with Israel and/or India.

Hard to see Indian or Israeli forces based in UAE, but these are crazy times and if 2 months ago you would said Iran and US would be chatting to each over over chai and somosa at Islamabad Serena I would have reported the post....

india has no guts/balls to settle up and do any shit in UAE for mbZ. They've too much workforce in the gulf and they will be fucked royally if they stir shit in the region. Regardless of the Abu Dhabi regime's intentions, the emirati people and most of them won't approve a setup hostile to other islamic nations there.

i won't worry about it much, as right now everyone is hurting bad from whatever just happened. All parties licking their wounds secretly and wanting peace.
Satanyahu is the only exception, even the people in israel are tired...

 

[PK781]

also btw the guy( ali chishti ) that broke the ksa pak pact story first says we will sign something similar with qatar soon

after talks are successful, i can see work on that being done. It would be good for both countries indeed.

 

[KingQamaR]

IRGC has attacked multiple Saudi oil facilities, even in the western coast near Jeddah. King sultan airbase is owned and used by the Saudis but it was hosting USAF AWACS and refuellers.

The Iranians are getting revenge on the Gulf States for letting the US set up bases and use them to attack Iran (and especially Iran's water and energy infrastructure). Seems reasonable if you ask me. But regardless of what is and isn't unreasonable, this whole war will be disastrous for the region.

 

[lightning f57]

Also, Saudis bankrolling Pakistan's F-16V upgrades is also not out of the question.....Pakistan can assume security guarantee role for Americans too.......

Saudis should push for US exiting most of their bases in the region and as part of a security arrangement have those F16s upgraded, maybe another squadron of V's added. Then NATO has interoperability with PAF through the F16s.

In the meantime Pak can try and procure some more J10s and future J35s.

 

[PK781]

Guys any credible update?

Why would Pakistan deploy PAF assets when we need them the most at this very moment? What has happened? What has deployed? Any details?
@side-winder @Oscar @Panzerkiel

as per journalist sources, this is for Hajj preparations.
(to ward off any threat from zionist israel and india nexus).
The protection of the 2 Holy Mosques is paramount as well as all the visitor Hajis in KSA.

PAF is well-suited for the role inshAllah, can be supported by friendly regional airforces like Turkiye and Egypt.

 

[MasterChief]

Feels like they are jointly keeping an eye on potential mischief that could take place while the Islamabad Talks are going on.

Or when they end and delegation is going back, thats when they can be tracked and vulnerable. PAF likely is and will be on high alert

 

[MirageV3ff]

Azerbaijan and Saudis are already firmly backing PFX. Current customers with whom we are discussing these recent export successes are also willing buyers. Qatar is not necessary for the projects success.

None of them are backing PFX
What I talked about was theoretical in the sense that if a defence pact is made with Qatar and implementations are made clear, we can see cooperation in the defence sectors as well which can include the like of PFX.

But as of writing, PFX currently is nothing more than a CFD model made by an over caffeinated 20 year old and the project is riding on the hopes and dreams of the current PAF leadership as their real esta- I mean their aviation industry gets some life breathed into it

 

[hasssanali8998]

Azerbaijan and Saudis are already firmly backing PFX.

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brother we dont even know what PFX is ? no one knows