Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

Saudi Arabia had previously financed Pakistan's nuclear program, and even provided international political cover for it and supported Pakistan when Western sanctions were imposed on it, supporting it economically and financially.

Conclusion: Saudi Arabia is seen as under a nuclear umbrella (of Pakistan), even though it does not possess it, such as Spain, Greece, Italy, Australia, and Japan are under a nuclear umbrella (of the US).

On top of that..Pakistan doesn't have a lot of geographic dept.. So stationing some nukes in a Pakistani base in KSA is not just legal..but it is a must for the strategic security of Pakistan..
Saudi indeed provided money for the Pakistani govt, not the nuke program and only enough to survive. Saudi investments in Pakistan are appreciated but not large.

What Saudis get back is the Pakistani force deployment to protect some sectors of the country. That is all. There is no nuke umbrella for Saudi Arabia. Saudi isnt getting nuke umbrella after throwing a few crumbs at Pakistanis while spending trillions on the West.
 
Saudi Arabia had previously financed Pakistan's nuclear program, and even provided international political cover for it and supported Pakistan when Western sanctions were imposed on it, supporting it economically and financially.

Conclusion: Saudi Arabia is seen as under a nuclear umbrella (of Pakistan), even though it does not possess it, such as Spain, Greece, Italy, Australia, and Japan are under a nuclear umbrella (of the US).

On top of that..Pakistan doesn't have a lot of geographic dept.. So stationing some nukes in a Pakistani base in KSA is not just legal..but it is a must for the strategic security of Pakistan..
You're comparing the era of a great man called Faisal, who worked hard to unify muslim majority nations under a common diplomatic umbrella, to the current era. The comparison itself is farcical.
 
Saudi indeed provided money for the Pakistani govt, not the nuke program and only enough to survive. Saudi investments in Pakistan are appreciated but not large.

What Saudis get back is the Pakistani force deployment to protect some sectors of the country. That is all. There is no nuke umbrella for Saudi Arabia. Saudi isnt getting nuke umbrella after throwing a few crumbs at Pakistanis while spending trillions on the West.
It seems you did not hear the statement of King Salman and crown Prince Mohammed :

" Saudi Arabia does not need anyone to protect its country"

Repetition teaches cleverness

Saudi Arabia deterrent capacities:

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Neptune modern version 1000 km

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also btw the guy( ali chishti ) that broke the ksa pak pact story first says we will sign something similar with qatar soon
It make sense, Qatar was bombed and humiliated by Israel and America failed to protect them, and in Iran-US/Israel war initially Qatar was hammered so they need someone to protect them without exceptions. Plus they got the money so they have a lot to offer, but I am skeptical about Qatar due to their support for Taliban regime.
 
Is Qatar doing an Defence agreement with Turkey or Pakistan?
 
i like what you saying but we have to wait for this stupid war to be over before proceeding on that. Otherwise who knows what can happen
Right now PAF is there in Saudi for Hajj prep, to guard against israeli/indian misadventures.

But it sure is time for Egypt, Pakistan, Turkiye, KSA to come together against israel.
America can no longer provide anything in ME as it has recently demonstrated clearly whose side they're on.

But its equally essential the arabs wake up from their slumber and realize that the shit is getting real and its getting bad and they need to set their priorities straight and get on with it.
We win when we're all United
In the Middle East, every country have its own security concerns. They do not meet eye to eye on strategic calculus and threat perception. War in Iran have reminded them all yet again.

1. Egypt and Israel are not fighting. They have a bilateral relationship that continues to stand the test of time.

2. Erdogan can be vocal against Israel but not on a level that might spark a conflict between Israel and Turkey. It does not suit NATO.

3. The KSA does not have tensions with Israel and India on a level that would signal a potential conflict. They see in Iran and Yemen a bigger threat instead.

4. Some assume that the GCC states are all on the same page in all matters but this is not true either. The KSA had tensions with Qatar in the past on the issue of Muslim Brotherhood. The KSA also had tensions with the UAE on the issue of Yemen. But the US intervened to prevent clashes between them. The US not only provides better defense systems to the GCC states (no proven alternative to them), the US have prevented clashes between the GCC states and can also prevent a flashpoint between a GCC state and Israel as happened in the case of Qatar (i.e., Trump pushed Netanyahu to apologize to Qatar after he ordered an attack on Hamas officials there). Every GCC state is cognizant of the fact that the US value each of them and support them in the event of hostilities with other countries (Iraq in the past; Iran and its axis of resistance elements in the present). Therefore, the US have a strategic presence in Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain, and the KSA also allows the US to use it soil to conduct an operation.

5. The GCC states aim to reduce dependency on the Strait of Hormuz. They now understand the benefit of having alternative supply routes.

6. Pakistan can play a role in providing security to the KSA. Pakistan can protect holy sites and can also play a role in preventing a clash between the KSA and other countries in the Middle East. The PAF and the RSAF can work together to confront intruding forces inside the KSA if it comes down to that.

I am all for that in person, but who will invade the KSA? Iraq does not posit a threat like that to the KSA after the US crippled it in war. Iran uses ballistic missiles and drones to attack any site inside the KSA. The Houthi can invade the KSA but no sign of that and might not risk it. Israel is interested in advancing the Abraham Accords.

Let's hope that there is less fighting in the Middle East in coming years. There is a limit to what Pakistan can do for the Middle East at large. WE avoided getting bogged down there in the past. I do not think it is a good idea in view of our own security dynamics.

It is a good handle overall. time will tell, but we know that Qatar recently said that it was going to shut down US bases in its country so there is a possibility that this is correct.
Left-wing sources spread those rumors but they are not grounded in reality. The US and Qatar have a defense pact and there is no indication that it will be revoked.



As noted above, Qatar had tensions with both the KSA and Israel on separate occasions and the US stepped up for Qatar in both cases.
 
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Kudos to Pakistan for following through on the alliance. The might of Pakistan should reverberate throughout the world particularly the gulf states. It has been a long dream of Pakistan to be provider of security, the bearer of the Islamic bomb - looks like both are coming to fruition.

Enemies of Pakistan (esp India) should cower - for now - all BIG decisions in the world will be decided by Pakistan (ala Zaid Hamid) and the whole world will be with Pakistan
 
With failed Islamabad talks, conflict to restart again. Let's see.
 
Kudos to Pakistan for following through on the alliance. The might of Pakistan should reverberate throughout the world particularly the gulf states. It has been a long dream of Pakistan to be provider of security, the bearer of the Islamic bomb - looks like both are coming to fruition.

Enemies of Pakistan (esp India) should cower - for now - all BIG decisions in the world will be decided by Pakistan (ala Zaid Hamid) and the whole world will be with Pakistan
when you eat super spicy food, it burns you twice. I never knew "sindoor" was so spicy
 
I am quite skeptical about the Pakistan Saudi defense pact. In light of Iran-US/Israel war, the defense pact has thrown Pakistan into a quagmire. The Pakistanis had to walk a very thin line, and had the attacks on Saudi by Iran increased Pakistan could have been forced to take sides.

Now that there is a fragile truce, Pakistan has decided to send a contingent to Saudi. This means, if the war proceeds attack on Saudi will most likely not happen.

But where does it leave Pakistan? Financial benefits, does one think it will be a substantial amount that will move the keel?

I very much think it’s a net loss for Pakistan.
 
I am quite skeptical about the Pakistan Saudi defense pact. In light of Iran-US/Israel war, the defense pact has thrown Pakistan into a quagmire. The Pakistanis had to walk a very thin line, and had the attacks on Saudi by Iran increased Pakistan could have been forced to take sides.

Now that there is a fragile truce, Pakistan has decided to send a contingent to Saudi. This means, if the war proceeds attack on Saudi will most likely not happen.

But where does it leave Pakistan? Financial benefits, does one think it will be a substantial amount that will move the keel?

I very much think it’s a net loss for Pakistan.
If Pak and US using same airbase and US using them to strike inside Iran...what will be Pak standing, because Iran will try hit again those bases. Saudi seems put Pak Iran relations in such a odd situation. Because its seems PAF and USAF sharing same base.
 

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