Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Meanwhile Qatar bribing Iran to stop attacks, $6bn but for how long? Utter humiliation of this little bitch of a country. Should be annexed by Saudi Arabia before it goes extinct.

 

[_Arabia_]

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Meanwhile Qatar bribing Iran to stop attacks, $6bn but for how long? Utter humiliation of this little bitch of a country. Should be annexed by Saudi Arabia before it goes extinct.

Don't naively believe every Twitter nonsense posted. 95-99% of what is reported is utter unsubstantiated nonsense. Highly unlikely.

Also what is the reason for the hostility towards Qatar in particular? I thought that Pakistan and Qatar mostly had cordial and close ties.

Have I missed something or is this somehow related to Qatar's long-time role of being a Taliban mediator? I don't see any reason for Qatar to be hostile to Pakistan otherwise.

Sure in an ideal world, and I suspect most Saudi Arabians and Qataris (in particular if they could keep their insanely high living standards on average) would agree but I am sure that the US would actively prevent such a thing. Israel too.

Imagine if all those small GCC (yet extremely rich in natural resources and strategic water and trade routes and trillions in sovereign wealth funds, investments and large economies etc.) were merged with KSA. Just think about 1 single country controlling most of the world's oil and gas. The US and Israel would go berserk before this would occur.

This initiative must occur in an organic and peaceful manner - recent events will force the smaller GCC states into the sphere of KSA (which they already were a part of in many ways) but in a greater fashion.

Biggest troublemaker by far is the Abu Dhabi regime in UAE. I would love for KSA to annex them more than any other GCC state.

Once again my hostility is not towards the land or people but select few leadership and their foreign policy in the region. In an ideal world such annexations would occur peacefully as well much like Russia did in Crimea back in 2014.

EDIT: Why would this random X user based in the US (just checked his profile) have any idea about such deals? Where are his sources?

It is not a personal criticism but it appears that people's critical sense has gone out of the window. People are posting what they live to believe or want to see rather than actual confirmed news.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Don't naively believe every Twitter nonsense posted. 95-99% of what is reported is utter unsubstantiated nonsense. Highly unlikely.

Also what is the reason for the hostility towards Qatar in particular? I thought that Pakistan and Qatar mostly had cordial and close ties.

Have I missed something or is this somehow related to Qatar's long-time role of being a Taliban mediator? I don't see any reason for Qatar to be hostile to Pakistan otherwise.

Sure in an ideal world, and I suspect most Saudi Arabians and Qataris (in particular if they could keep their insanely high living standards on average) would agree but I am sure that the US would actively prevent such a thing. Israel too.

Imagine if all those small GCC (yet extremely rich in natural resources and strategic water and trade routes and trillions in sovereign wealth funds, investments and large economies etc.) were merged with KSA. Just think about 1 single country controlling most of the world's oil and gas. The US and Israel would go berserk before this would occur.

This initiative must occur in an organic and peaceful manner - recent events will force the smaller GCC states into the sphere of KSA (which they already were a part of in many ways) but in a greater fashion.

Biggest troublemaker by far is the Abu Dhabi regime in UAE. I would love for KSA to annex them more than any other GCC state.

Once again my hostility is not towards the land or people but select few leadership and their foreign policy in the region. In an ideal world such annexations would occur peacefully as well much like Russia did in Crimea back in 2014.

EDIT: Why would this random X user based in the US (just checked his profile) have any idea about such deals? Where are his sources?

It is not a personal criticism but it appears that people's critical sense has gone out of the window. People are posting what they live to believe or want to see rather than actual confirmed news.

Their love affair with Taliban and coverage of how Pakistan deal with Afghan based terrorism through their mouth piece al jazeera is the reason.

 

[_Arabia_]

Their love affair with Taliban and coverage of how Pakistan deal with Afghan based terrorism through their mouth piece al jazeera is the reason.

Thanks for the heads up. Not followed those events although I know that Pakistan has been beefing with the Taliban for quite some time and that previous border clashes (violent) have occurred.

I know that the Taliban does not recognize the Durand line and being the Pashtun nationalists that they are (covering under the guise of Islam) - they are probably eying the Pashtun majority areas of Pakistan in their "Greater Afghanistan" project. Loy Afghanistan. I had a few Afghan friends/acquaintances who have talked about this when we discussed politics.

I tried to tell them that we Arabs are divided into 20 + countries and are surviving and you guys only live in two (Afghanistan and Pakistan) so you should be able to coexist.

One of his ignorant claims was that Pakistanis (Punjabis) are Indians. Some kind of racial superiority complex. Not sure why as there must be quite an overlap between Pashtuns and Punjabis in terms of genetics and overall culture given that both inhabit nearby regions - of course different geographies but still there must be much in common across the board.

Generally Al-Jazeera has a good coverage in particular the Arabic version. I don't watch the English one other than select few documentaries (they have many good ones) and their coverage of the Gaza atrocities and "war" was excellent in many ways. They were one of the harshest critics of Israel in the international English speaking media landscape.

They used to do the same with KSA in relation to the Houthis - some of it was nonsense other probably correct news. There are always two sides in a conflict - each with there own perspective, perceptions, stories and biases.

The first casualty in any war is the truth.

 

[KingQamaR]

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[Ali_Baba]

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We don't know how true this report is, but with MBS being a pyscho, anything is possible I guess.

 

[KingQamaR]

We don't know how true this report is, but with MBS being a pyscho, anything is possible I guess.

It’s coming out now. Many media outlets are reporting this news too.

 

[Master Chief]

We don't know how true this report is, but with MBS being a pyscho, anything is possible I guess.

Not to disagree with your overarching assessment on MBS, the reality in this case may actually be more nuanced.

Trump will be continuing the war on behalf of Tel Aviv. Of this, there is virtually no doubt. Any "chatter" about ceasefires is pure deception (for various reasons).

However, it remains rather convenient for Trump to be able to "blame" anyone but Tel Aviv for continuation of the war. Again, the global shielding of Tel Aviv from criticism over their instigation of wars is a very real phenomenon. MBS is MBS, but beyond his own borders he may just be a convenient scapegoat and an unwitting pawn in this game that is far beyond his control.

Trump is sometimes very candid when he speaks, which is totally off script for US Presidents, and you might recall his comments a week ago (I think it was an interview on AF1?) wherein he explicitly mentioned Israel by name as one of the "friends" that Americans go to war in the middle east for. In truth, Israel is the only "friend" USA has in this region, and that too is a rather parasitic friendship.

 

[Starlord]

Trump will be continuing the war on behalf of Tel Aviv.

There is a much greater and foul game is at play with has sprinkles of Racism, sectarism and old Arab-Persian rivalries. Yes Israel is the main instigator but lets not forget that Arabs will find a spot with chairs and steaks to watch Iran burn along with its population if they so can. Arabs may have been a good sources of Supply Chain and economic stability for many countries but they have done so at the expanse of many weaker Muslims countries which are now in ruins and its population displaced. GCC Arabs indeed enjoy peace and prosperity but only at the cost of Millions of Iraqi's, Libyan's, Sudanese, Yemeni's, Pakistani's, Afghans and Palestinians.

 

[Starlord]

We don't know how true this report is, but with MBS being a pyscho, anything is possible I guess.

I get Arab nationalist kid here wants to believe that their leaders are some Macho Rambo type, but reality is Iran's main target was never KSA cities to begin with, for someone like MBS the rumors regarding him are always there, from the palace purge after he took power to Kashogi's murder to Forcing Pakistan not to visit the summit in Malaysia to now instigating war in Iran, every time there is a fck up in the Muslim world its either Qatar/KSA/UAE or Iran...

 

[_Arabia_]

I get Arab nationalist kid here wants to believe that their leaders are some Macho Rambo type, but reality is Iran's main target was never KSA cities to begin with, for someone like MBS the rumors regarding him are always there, from the palace purge after he took power to Kashogi's murder to Forcing Pakistan not to visit the summit in Malaysia to now instigating war in Iran, every time there is a fck up in the Muslim world its either Qatar/KSA/UAE or Iran...

More unsubstantiated nonsense. Kid? I am a father of 4. You are probably my age or maybe even younger.

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But you are acting as if the Iranian regime have been friends of KSA and not directly been aiding our enemies for decades.

There is a much greater and foul game is at play with has sprinkles of Racism, sectarism and old Arab-Persian rivalries. Yes Israel is the main instigator but lets not forget that Arabs will find a spot with chairs and steaks to watch Iran burn along with its population if they so can. Arabs may have been a good sources of Supply Chain and economic stability for many countries but they have done so at the expanse of many weaker Muslims countries which are now in ruins and its population displaced. GCC Arabs indeed enjoy peace and prosperity but only at the cost of Millions of Iraqi's, Libyan's, Sudanese, Yemeni's, Pakistani's, Afghans and Palestinians.

Yes, Arabs hate Iranians so much that we host the largest Iranian diaspora in the world - not only Iranian Arabs. The same Arabs that have been welcoming desperate Iranian Baloch, Lurs, Sunni Persians for centuries in not so insignificant numbers. Nice story.

Now also conveniently blaming all the mostly self-inflicted faults of other Muslims on imaginary Arabs. Great.

We don't know how true this report is, but with MBS being a pyscho, anything is possible I guess.

Yes, a "psycho" that has turned KSA into a powerhouse in most spheres and fundamentally changed KSA, mostly for the much better, within a span of 7-8 years. Sure. We need more of such "psychos" indeed. Give me another 100 MbS. Young, ambitious and visionary leaders. Muslims need more old backward Mullah leaders like in Iran. That has given the region great success and Iran in particular as we all can see.

 

[Starlord]

More unsubstantiated nonsense. Kid? I am a father of 4. You are probably my age or maybe even younger.

Was talking about mental maturity, totally different you have a long way to go to get there.

Yes, Arabs hate Iranians so much that we host the largest Iranian diaspora in the world - not only Iranian Arabs. The same Arabs that have been welcoming desperate Iranian Baloch, Lurs, Sunni Persians for centuries in not so insignificant numbers. Nice story.

Now also conveniently blaming all the mostly self-inflicted faults of other Muslims on imaginary Arabs. Great.

Pakistan's hosts Millions of Afghans too so what's your point? today many Pakistani's cheer when we bombed the crap out of Taliban, and can you please spare us the BS about how great and innocent KSA is? We all know that what KSA has done and is doing. Its not not like your govt has been spreading the extremists version of Wahabism around the region which give birth to Monsters like Taliban/AQ and ISIS.

Yes, a "psycho" that has turned KSA into a powerhouse in most spheres and fundamentally changed KSA, mostly for the much better, within a span of 7-8 years. Sure.

Bibi has done great things for Israel does that means he is not a Lunatic? or Psychopath ? like I said, MBS has been a controversial character from the day he rose to power, from the Palace purge, to conflict with Qatar, to his role in pressuring Pakistan to drop the Malaysian summit to murder of Journalist Kashogi and now this war in Iran, its way to many coincidences with just one leader, now I know poor you can't even say a single negative thing against your king without been picked and disappearing, so carry on with your banter and useless long posts with repeated google links which makes you feel better.

 

[_Arabia_]

Was talking about mental maturity, totally different you have a long way to go to get there.


Pakistan's hosts Millions of Afghans too so what's your point? today many Pakistani's cheer when we bombed the crap out of Taliban, and can you please spare us the BS about how great and innocent KSA is? We all know that what KSA has done and is doing. Its not not like your govt has been spreading the extremists version of Wahabism around the region which give birth to Monsters like Taliban/AQ and ISIS.


Bibi has done great things for Israel does that means he is not a Lunatic? or Psychopath ? like I said, MBS has been a controversial character from the day he rose to power, from the Palace purge, to conflict with Qatar, to his role in pressuring Pakistan to drop the Malaysian summit to murder of Journalist Kashogi and now this war in Iran, its way to many coincidences with just one leader, now I know poor you can't even say a single negative thing against your king without been picked and disappearing, so carry on with your banter and useless long posts with repeated google links which makes you feel better.

I stopped reading your usual Arab obsessed nonsense when you began on the Taliban, AQ and ISIS nonsense and imaginary Wahhabism. Next you will blame KSA for being the land that Islam was birthed in and all its main sects whether Sunni, Shia or Sufi (the historical truth) - all sects found natively within KSA to this day.

Yes, you keep blabbering about 1 example, Khashoggi, who was likely a CIA asset (go read about certain past members of his family and their role in the region) and mole, in a operation that went rogue and was unprecedented prior to and afterwards. In fact in the entire history of KSA. The leadership never actively haunted down dissidents. Unlike the Iranian regime that has killed numerous dissidents abroad since 1979 but that does not receive 1% of the publicity - simply because anything that is remotely related to KSA sells and is talked about 100 times more. Just look at this forum - almost half of the posts are about KSA from many of the usual suspects.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Yes, a "psycho" that has turned KSA into a powerhouse in most spheres and fundamentally changed KSA, mostly for the much better, within a span of 7-8 years. Sure. We need more of such "psychos" indeed. Give me another 100 MbS. Young, ambitious and visionary leaders. Muslims need more old backward Mullah leaders like in Iran. That has given the region great success and Iran in particular as we all can see.

He commands that a journalist who said some words he did not like, be chopped up - ie a psycho -

Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[hasssanali8998]

Was talking about mental maturity, totally different you have a long way to go to get there.


Pakistan's hosts Millions of Afghans too so what's your point? today many Pakistani's cheer when we bombed the crap out of Taliban, and can you please spare us the BS about how great and innocent KSA is? We all know that what KSA has done and is doing. Its not not like your govt has been spreading the extremists version of Wahabism around the region which give birth to Monsters like Taliban/AQ and ISIS.


Bibi has done great things for Israel does that means he is not a Lunatic? or Psychopath ? like I said, MBS has been a controversial character from the day he rose to power, from the Palace purge, to conflict with Qatar, to his role in pressuring Pakistan to drop the Malaysian summit to murder of Journalist Kashogi and now this war in Iran, its way to many coincidences with just one leader, now I know poor you can't even say a single negative thing against your king without been picked and disappearing, so carry on with your banter and useless long posts with repeated google links which makes you feel better.

He commands that a journalist who said some words he did not like, be chopped up - ie a psycho -

Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dude he is a straight up racist, people from pdf 1.0 recognise him for going about the superiority and beauty of Arabs over Pakistanis and Iranians ( so just a normal Saudi ). Don’t argue just ignore like I have