Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

US Equipment and Technology + Pakistani Military = 1 Deadly Combo!!

There should be no force on earth which would like to face the above, a perfect combination for defense or offense.


No one is doubting Pakistans fighting capabilities. Big problem is . When US and Saudis attacked their enemies Yemen and Iran because they thought they were weak but really it was Washington and Riyadh were geographically so ignorant., tactically foolish, and strategically, clueless. I worry Pakistani military does not get drawn into this nonsense the straits and Bab Al Mandab are death traps. We mustn’t take words of warlords Houthis that they would not attack our PN bc of US or Saudis do.
 
No one is doubting Pakistans fighting capabilities. Big problem is . When US and Saudis attacked their enemies Yemen and Iran because they thought they were weak but really it was Washington and Riyadh were geographically so ignorant., tactically foolish, and strategically, clueless. I worry Pakistani military does not get drawn into this nonsense the straits and Bab Al Mandab are death traps. We mustn’t take words of warlords Houthis that they would not attack our PN bc of US or Saudis do.
For now, it is much too premature to say what will happen with the Bal-el-Mandeb and the Red Sea blockade, this is no doubt a concerning development for not just Pakistan but the entire world.

Our own Oilfields produce approx 81,426 barrels a day, whilst our daily consumption is between 420,000 to 450,000 barrels a day, meaning we import the bulk of our oil, and all of that comes from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE.
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With supply lines threatened not just in the PG but also the Red Sea, like every other nation Pakistan has to look at its strategic options, unlike India who have ditched the OGCC nations for now and signed deals with Nigera and Angola for oil supply, we simply do not have that luxury due to our current fiscal state.
 
For now, it is much too premature to say what will happen with the Bal-el-Mandeb and the Red Sea blockade, this is no doubt a concerning development for not just Pakistan but the entire world.

Our own Oilfields produce approx 81,426 barrels a day, whilst our daily consumption is between 420,000 to 450,000 barrels a day, meaning we import the bulk of our oil, and all of that comes from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE.
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With supply lines threatened not just in the PG but also the Red Sea, like every other nation Pakistan has to look at its strategic options, unlike India who have ditched the OGCC nations for now and signed deals with Nigera and Angola for oil supply, we simply do not have that luxury due to our current fiscal state.



So we’re trying to open a strait for our oil shipping that was already open before the US and Saudis shenanigans started great All this proved the most powerful military proving US and Arabs is just how ineffective they’ve been in the Bab-Al- Mandab US actually are. Maybe talks with Houthis may be a better option for us?
can Islamabad please after this crisis switch to Iran completing Iran pipeline this Arab and Iranian rivalry ain’t our problem anymore. It’s so frustrating our planners didn’t see a crisis in this coming in this unstable part of the world. and had no alternative plans getting oil from another country.
 
So we’re trying to open a strait for our oil shipping that was already open before the US and Saudis shenanigans started great All this proved the most powerful military proving US and Arabs is just how ineffective they’ve been in the Bab-Al- Mandab US actually are. Maybe talks with Houthis may be a better option for us?
can Islamabad please after this crisis switch to Iran completing Iran pipeline this Arab and Iranian rivalry ain’t our problem anymore. It’s so frustrating our planners didn’t see a crisis in this coming in this unstable part of the world. and had no alternative plans getting oil from another country.
if you think Iran is a more reliable ally then KSA I have bridge to sell you. come out of your sectarian politics and look at the bigger picture.
 
So we’re trying to open a strait for our oil shipping that was already open before the US and Saudis shenanigans started great
Speaking objectively Saudis are not really belligerents in this, you have to understand the conflict in Yemen was a "frozen conflict" just like any other frozen conflict it was an inevitability that it would reignite given a flashpoint.

This conflict in a wider context started with the closure of the SoH and that has many pieces of the puzzle, we had the initial conflict when the Israelis and the US launched an unjust campaign against Iran, we then had the lull in fighting during the Memorandum of Misunderstanding and the short window of restive normalcy that followed, then we had the incident involving the MV Ever Lovely 7.5 nautical miles southeast of Oman's port of Dahit, followed by two further attacks on July 14th on vessels belonging to Stolt Shipping off the Omani coast.

This gave the US the excuse to blame Iran for breaching the MOU and restarting the conflict, what is right and what is wrong is pointless at the moment given the current direction of the conflict, it now impacts the global economy and fuel market, Pakistan is not immune to this.
All this proved the most powerful military proving US and Arabs is just how ineffective they’ve been in the Bab-Al- Mandab US actually are.
Lets not really make this about "Arabs" not that I have any love loss for them, this is about free international shipping lanes if anything else too, I would be disingenuous if I didn't say that KSA should have predicted this exact outcome and should have worked harder to focus on confidence building with the Houthis. But these blockades, they set a very dangerous precedent.
Maybe talks with Houthis may be a better option for us?
Its not for Pakistan to talk with the Houthis, their beef is with KSA, KSA and Egypt have already proposed a set of measures to discuss with Yemini counterparts.
can Islamabad please after this crisis switch to Iran completing Iran pipeline this Arab and Iranian rivalry ain’t our problem anymore.
What Pakistan SHOULD do is work on multiple redundancies, reliance on one single supplier for something as critical as energy supply exposes a critical flaw in our energy supply chain. Pakistan and Nigera have very cordial relations, Nigeria is one of the largest oil producing nations in the world, Pakistan should explore having multiple suppliers. If this multipolar world has shown us anything, it's that having your eggs in one basket is a strategic blunder
It’s so frustrating our planners didn’t see a crisis in this coming in this unstable part of the world. and had no alternative plans getting oil from another country.
I do not think our planners didn't see this as an eventuality, the problem is the situation is so fluid, no one could possibly predict the speed, severity and complexity of this conflict. Before we go blaming our planners, the Western world with all its wherewithal was caught short in all of this as well.

I think a lot of times we are much too harsh and self-critical when it comes to Pakistan.
 

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