Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

Yasser76 said:
Strategically this has some major implications

1) Pakistan in the past was indirectly part of the Middle Eastern security dynamic, now we are directly involved in it
2) Pakistan forces need to treat Israel as a direct and close (not indirect or distant) threat
3) This greatly complicates relations with Iran
4) Also complicates relations with US, as we are now effectively their rival in helping Saudi
5) Saudi relations with India now complicated. Assuming it truly is a mutual pact, attacking Pakistan will be seen as an attack on Saudi, with all the implications that involves
6) Expect a massive western and Israeli propaganda effort against our nuclear programme
7) Egypt has effectively been sidelined as the leading Middle Eastern military power
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1) Pakistan has historically been directly involved in Middle Eastern security dynamics. During the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, we deployed around 13,000 troops to Saudi Arabia, and thousands more were present during Operation Desert Storm.

2 )Agreed, but I believe our future role will be more focused on training Saudi forces in tactics, while supporting their offensive capabilities through co-production and procurement from China.

3) Iran today is far weaker than it was a year ago. It has strategically pulled back from Syria and Lebanon, and the regime is struggling for survival amid a severe water crisis. It can barely defend itself against Israeli onslaught, let alone project power.

4) Saudi Arabia may not get directly involved , but it will provide Pakistan with far greater diplomatic cover and financial support during any confrontation with India than it ever has before.

5) Much depends on the upcoming Saudi FM–Trump meeting. My view is that the U.S. wants to disengage from the Middle East and shift its assets toward the South China Sea (the “Pivot to Asia”). That’s why we saw only a token strike on Iran instead of a full campaign. Israel has exhausted its strategic leverage in Washington; without the Epstein files blackmail, the U.S. would have forced them into a ceasefire long ago, as in the past. The MAGA base has already turned against Netanyahu, the left was already protesting against the Gaza genocide.

6) Agreed, Sisi seems to have done something behind the scenes to anger the Saudis. I’ve heard Egypt proposed creating an “Arab NATO,” but under their exclusive command something Riyadh clearly would not accept.
 
Ali_Baba said:
I agree with everything but item 3). I do think Iran is being brought into the cold for the Middle East (imho).

Let’s see of course.
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Unsure in all honesty. If Saudis and Pak took Iran into confidence on this maybe, but really unsure, it does complicate matters though
 
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Yasser76 said:
Strategically this has some major implications

1) Pakistan in the past was indirectly part of the Middle Eastern security dynamic, now we are directly involved in it
2) Pakistan forces need to treat Israel as a direct and close (not indirect or distant) threat
3) This greatly complicates relations with Iran
4) Also complicates relations with US, as we are now effectively their rival in helping Saudi
5) Saudi relations with India now complicated. Assuming it truly is a mutual pact, attacking Pakistan will be seen as an attack on Saudi, with all the implications that involves
6) Expect a massive western and Israeli propaganda effort against our nuclear programme
7) Egypt has effectively been sidelined as the leading Middle Eastern military power
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In the past, the Kala ungraz who run Pakistan had no religious interest in the conflict. We would wave the banner and send over some medical units to look good. Now the dynamics have changed totally.

Pakistan is no longer a second line state; it is a state that is clearly in the cross sights of the Zionist. There is no longer a choice, the irony is that even if our leaders have no Islamic identity, our enemies consider us as one. We have to fight a battle of survival.

There are two wars that we are inevitably drawn into; the Zionist middle east war, and the preliminary US/ China war. To destroy us, the US/Zionist will want to break up Pakistan, destroying CPEC which is an existential threat to China. China will be drawn into this and be forced to support us.

As they, we live in interesting times.....
 
the vicious kind said:
1) Pakistan has historically been directly involved in Middle Eastern security dynamics. During the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, we deployed around 13,000 troops to Saudi Arabia, and thousands more were present during Operation Desert Storm.

2 )Agreed, but I believe our future role will be more focused on training Saudi forces in tactics, while supporting their offensive capabilities through co-production and procurement from China.

3) Iran today is far weaker than it was a year ago. It has strategically pulled back from Syria and Lebanon, and the regime is struggling for survival amid a severe water crisis. It can barely defend itself against Israeli onslaught, let alone project power.

4) Saudi Arabia may not get directly involved , but it will provide Pakistan with far greater diplomatic cover and financial support during any confrontation with India than it ever has before.

5) Much depends on the upcoming Saudi FM–Trump meeting. My view is that the U.S. wants to disengage from the Middle East and shift its assets toward the South China Sea (the “Pivot to Asia”). That’s why we saw only a token strike on Iran instead of a full campaign. Israel has exhausted its strategic leverage in Washington; without the Epstein files blackmail, the U.S. would have forced them into a ceasefire long ago, as in the past. The MAGA base has already turned against Netanyahu, the left was already protesting against the Gaza genocide.

6) Agreed, Sisi seems to have done something behind the scenes to anger the Saudis. I’ve heard Egypt proposed creating an “Arab NATO,” but under their exclusive command something Riyadh clearly would not accept.
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1) Very true, but recently very little boots on the ground or air defence (outside of training)
2) Agree, that is much longer term
3) For sure, Iran has little say and Israel defanged it to an extent, they are still a neighbour though and can cause us headaches (like they have done in the past and we retaliated)
4) True, and even that alone may make India think twice
5) Yes, be very interesting to see how Trump views this, may view it as helpful or may view it as Pakistan taking Saudi $$$ that he wants for the US, I think the optics of PM meeting him in NYC next week will reveal a lot
6) Yeah, no one cares. I expect even Sisi may not last long if US and Saudi lose interest in him
 
Saudis have been seeking a defense treaty with USA for a long time. The US refusal or tough conditions for such a treaty led to Saudis reaching out to China. Saudis also pretended to reach out to Iran. But all that was still just signaling to the US.

Now Saudis have added hungry Pakistanis to this signaling. Ultimately Saudis or GCC want the US and the West. They don't care about poor brown south Asians, including Pakistanis.

Pakistan has no capacity to "defend" Saudi or Qatar or for any other involvement in Mideast either. What pipedreams.
 
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