Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Toxic]

yeah we called them what not but one thing is clear they never betrayed their country. They always protected the core interest of the country. Everyone just put brick one by one to make a solid foundation of our country i mean nuclear tech. Ghas khayen ge atom bomb banyen ge . it was not just slogan .

They also did more damage to us then any foreign power ever did.

 

[maxpane]

They also did more damage to us then any foreign power ever did.

they did but may be they onow what they are sacrificing to protect what. i know its controversial. i respect your views .

 

[the vicious kind]

I watched this video twice to fully understand what the general was saying. His main points will take the air out of 90% of what people are imagining in this thread.

1. The maximum Pakistan can do is put some boots in the ground in SA.

2. Pakistan can’t spare any fighter jets or pilots.

3. Even if Pakistan wanted to it can’t fly jets in SA without American permission.

4. The best the deal can do is provide China with an entry point into Saudi Arabia.

5. China can’t enter Saudi Arabia unless US is removed from the region.

6. The only worthwhile defense equipment Pakistan produces is JF-17 aircraft and some light firearms.

7. Pakistan nuke umbrella is probably not part of the agreement as that would bring the world against Pakistan.

8. If China enters the region it will bring Saudi Arabia and Iran together.

2) KSA doesn’t need Pakistani fighter jets or pilots; what they require is training in air combat operations, particularly in integrated, sensor-based air warfare.

3) 4) and 5)
China has long been a military partner of KSA. In the 1980s Saudi Arabia imported the DF-3A, a heavy MRBM, and in 2018 it acquired the DF-21. These procurements blatantly violated MTCR protocols, a serious offense. And what was Washington’s response? Absolutely nothing.

Both KSA and China hold tremendous economic leverage over the United States, leverage they can and do exert to secure their strategic interests.

6) Fateh 1, Fateh 2 & 3 , SH-15 , there are plenty of military equipment Pakistan can provide to KSA.

7). It probably is and Infact it always has been but never formalized uptil now.

8) Like i said earlier, Iran is out of the middle east equation for the foreseeable future, its regime is focusing on survival at the moment.

 

[Toxic]

they did but may be they onow what they are sacrificing to protect what. i know its controversial. i respect your views .

They could have done that without any of the other shit they did, you are acting like it was Zab or Zia that were personally making the bomb lmao.

 

[maxpane]

They could have done that without any of the other shit they did, you are acting like it was Zab or Zia that were personally making the bomb lmao.

i have alrady said taht everuone put brick by brick at their tenure to make a solid foundation for our nuclear tech . i never claimed that they personally build it . it not one man army. its the effort of everyone we like it or not. As i already said i respect your opinion if you have different point of view

 

[mulj]

Now when the money is on the table there will not be better time of purchasing production line for j10, that plane should become new workhorse for both Pakistan and in less extent SA but main purpose of it would be capability to retrofit air forces in region and navigate those countries to this axis.

 

[RescueRanger]

I assure you he doesn't know shit about what he is talking about, again there was no need to mention the word nuclear with Pakistan the default assumption goes to nuclear weapons

Do you think I dont know that?

Pakistan needs someone like Mr.Asif. It's the Benny Hill effect.

 

[Bilal]

Post WoT world. Some countries are still stuck in early 2000s mindset.

They are still trying to milk narratives that sold back in the days.

As this agreement shows, the world has changed and is changing.

 

[the vicious kind]

Iran and KSA are opposite sides. After this KSA-Pak agreement, i think any chances of Pakistan aligning with Iran are almost diminished / gone. Also during Iran-Israel war, Iranian general claimed that Pakistan will help Iran if Israel use nukes but Pakistan instantly rejected that and said that we never offered such thing.

Pakistan in any capacity cannot offer nuclear arsenal to any other country. Or nuking another country for someone else. See above General Tarik khan interview too. Nuking israel means a most brutal response from the US & Europe and you do know that perfectly.

Its one thing to look good & strong. But we have to see things which are factual and has anything to do with reality.

Why would Pakistan choose to align with Iran, a state currently struggling for its very survival? With Assad’s Syria dismantled, Hezbollah in ruins, and Iraq’s PMU militias restrained by Ayatollah Sistani from intervening against Israel in the recent conflict, it is fair to say that Iran is effectively out of the Middle East equation.

I take the interview of Moeed Pirzada and Gen Tariq with a grain of salt. He did make some valid points, but there were to many conjectures and false assumptions. Pakistan Pact with KSA , doesnt mean we are nuking Israel, its a detterence. Its the largest defence pact between any two muslim countries in the 21st century. We should think about it positively.

 

[Yasser76]

One thing seldom discussed about the agreement is how Egypt seems to have been totally sidelined as the Islamic world's (self proclaimed) leading military power. GCC funded almost all of Egypt's equipment purchases

 

[Ali_Baba]

I watched this video twice to fully understand what the general was saying. His main points will take the air out of 90% of what people are imagining in this thread.

1. The maximum Pakistan can do is put some boots in the ground in SA.

2. Pakistan can’t spare any fighter jets or pilots.

3. Even if Pakistan wanted to it can’t fly jets in SA without American permission.

4. The best the deal can do is provide China with an entry point into Saudi Arabia.

5. China can’t enter Saudi Arabia unless US is removed from the region.

6. The only worthwhile defense equipment Pakistan produces is JF-17 aircraft and some light firearms.

7. Pakistan nuke umbrella is probably not part of the agreement as that would bring the world against Pakistan.

8. If China enters the region it will bring Saudi Arabia and Iran together.

We have to be careful with this video, firstly the nature of the discussion is guided by the "host" and we all know his views on all things right now. Secondly, the guest has not been part of the decision making cycle for quite some time now, and is not privy to the true geopolitical situation and all the scenarios that are being managed right now.

We know item 7 has been clarified, ie a nuclear umbrella "is" part of the agreement.

The pact is the start of a journey on co-ordinated procurements for both sides to develop expeditionary forces that can be relocated to either side. The Saudis have to date, given the keys to their backbone infrastructure to the USA and we saw how that went with Qatar. The Saudi's are looking to take control of the entirety of their infrastructure and Pakistan will be helpful in that regard.

Lets see how this plays out, but I really think it is "naive" to think the agreement encompasses what is "only" currently available, and not the journey both sides have agreed for the roadmap of the agreement.

 

[Yasser76]

Agreement already have a positive impact

Saudi delegation to visit Pakistan next month for trade talks after defence pact

Saudi delegation to visit Pakistan next month for trade talks after defence pact

Saudi business delegation set to visit Pakistan.SIFC to facilitate Saudi business delegation visit.Kingdom to establish dedicated commercial desk at LCCI.Following the historic defence agreement, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia...

www.geo.tv

 

[maxpane]

One thing seldom discussed about the agreement is how Egypt seems to have been totally sidelined as the Islamic world's (self proclaimed) leading military power. GCC funded almost all of Egypt's equipment purchases

Bhai how can Egypt deter Israel ? if i am not mistaken its f 16 without amraam, Rafale without meteore and mo nuclear umbrella. correct me if am wrong ,in 2015 onward when our realtions with ksa were not upto the mark , KSA tried to armed Egyptian army, paying thier defence projects but against israel its toothless and after operation sindoor our armed forces performed well and israel attack on Qatar exposed that middle east security is not secured and Egypt cant peroformed that role .Also its not nuclear power

 

[redgriffin]

He has a point, she has strong MILF vibes

Oh bhai itni bhi aag nahi lagi hui!!!!!

 

[Yasser76]

Bhai how can Egypt deter Israel ? if i am mistaken its f 16 without amraam, Rafale without meteore and mo nuclear umbrella. correct me if am wrong ,in 2015 onward when our realtions with ksa were not upto the mark , KSA tried to armed Egyptian army, paying thier defence projects but against israel its toothless and after operation sindoor our armed forces performed well and israel attack on Qatar exposed that middle east security is not secured and Egypt cant peroformed that role .Also its not nuclear power

Exactly. Whole funding of Egyptian military was a massive waste of money.