Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[RajaBaja]

But Washington’s global bandwidth is limited, and even pre-existing security commitments in much of the world, including the Middle East, are struggling to retain domestic political support. The U.S. also faces greater entrapment and entanglement risks in the Middle East given Israeli military activity across the region. From this vantage point, the Saudi-Pakistan defense pact represents effective buck-passing: Riyadh is anchoring its security to Islamabad instead of bargaining for a deeper American guarantee.

This pact doesn't effect the US. The US now has it's full focus on China and many analysts think it's too late. In many ways, China has become a "peer" competitor and in near future, will have a blue water navy posture rivaling the US. So the US beyond Israel's security, has core focus currently shifting away from the middle east to China. So this pact is actually welcomed by the US as it's also building long term ties with Pakistan.

However, Indian strategic appetite for, and Israeli interest in, hard balancing a Saudi-Pakistan nexus are likely to be low due to Israel’s desire for an eventual normalization with Saudi Arabia. India also has deep economic interests in Saudi Arabia, including a large Indian diaspora, which it wouldn’t want to jeopardize when it faces multiple geopolitical headwinds. India is likely to continue to work a wedge strategy to manage Saudi-Pakistan alignment, even if the prospects of such an approach succeeding amid the new regional security environment are not favorable to New Delhi.

India has been "ChecMate". It doesn't have leverage, it can't go against Saudia or other Arab nations openly, it can't sign a pact with Israel because it would prove to be detrimental for it's relations with the entire Middle East, where there is already focus on Indian citizens spying and invovled in anti-national activities primarily for Israel, while making billions from these Arab nations. India's only sane outcome is to make peace with Pakistan and focus on it's economy. What's made it worst is India's strategy towards the US has faltered also due to it's attempt to getting close to China and Russia. So India has been isolated and Check Mated by Pakistan in global geo-politics.

 

[ARMalik]

Quell surprise ?
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Well they are unhappy because they have been conning the Sauids for at least a decade. The Saudis helped them procure weapons from France and US - they even financed two Helicopter landing ships from France. But after all these years, Saudis finally realised that these Egyptians do not have the balls to fights, that they are fukwits, frauds who were looting them blind.

 

[hasssanali8998]

we start to see a pattern in which Pakistan is being projected into the Middle East.

This pact doesn't effect the US. The US now has it's full focus on China and many analysts think it's too late. In many ways, China has become a "peer" competitor and in near future, will have a blue water navy posture rivaling the US. So the US beyond Israel's security, has core focus currently shifting away from the middle east to China. So this pact is actually welcomed by the US as it's also building long term ties with Pakistan.

yes i think US wants us to be new police in middle east or at the least make the job easier for them

 

[Fatman17]

Source: Bloomberg.com
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Post America order starts in Riyadh and Islamabad

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Pakistan should sign asap more MDA with other Qatar/Turkiye.

Seize the moment.

It's a once in a life time opportunity.

Meanwhile Indians

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[Liquidator]

To be honest

The best thing about this deal will be money.

Pakistan now has a blank cheque to buy what it needs. Some of it may be used to then field in SA. This may hasten the J35 acquisition in larger than envisaged numbers to boot. The Chinese will be happy... their coffers will be full and the PAF are the best people due to both skill and circumstance to battle test equipment. India keeps providing this gift / opportunity.

It also means that the qualitative edge will be strengthened by a quantitative edge also. India is FU*KD. The power dynamics have shifted.

As for the Saudis, this is a no-brainer. The yanks exposed their treacherous designs. The Chinese, a trustworthy people, do not play a zero sum games. They will be happy to see you prosper as well. The PAF fielding top of the line battle proven Chinese fighters is a formidable fighting force.

Sindhoor is the gift that keeps giving....of course, we will never forget the shaheed especially children slaughtered in schools and mosques due to the Hindu extremists copying Israeli tactics....

 

[Ali_Baba]

Interesting reason on why Egypt is not leading this new pact, is because of the restrictions imposed on it via the Israel peace deal on what it can or cannot do.

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ie, restrictions on freedom of movement of military people alongside being aid dependent on the USA etc.

 

[Taimoor]

Iran speaks







Attempts to divide shia and sunni will go into overdrive

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Brilliant. My biggest worry of how this might be turned into "Sunni alliance". This put all the Indian spin doctors into the spin.

 

[RajaBaja]

yes i think US wants us to be new police in middle east or at the least make the job easier for them

We can create that influence that US never had. It had only one options, agree with me or we go to war. Pakistan can make one agree based on our relations in half the Asia. China is with us on the other side and the US has joined too. This is divine intervention. Pakistan is the chosen one! We are now directly responsible for protecting Mecca and Medina. Not sure if one could ask for more.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Zionazi regional terrorism and espionage in Middle East one of the reasons for the defence pact

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[Taimoor]

I am of the view there are no objections from America. I think realisation setting in among American establishment that they cannot restraint Israel to respect the red lines (due to AIPAC and Zionist political influence within). This should in theory, will deter Israel.

 

[RajaBaja]

Zionazi regional terrorism and espionage in Middle East one of the reasons for the defence pact

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Indian intelligence operatives are funded with money to go across so many nations and buy businesses, as business owners are preferred immigrations and can't be impacted by H1B or Golden Visas rule changes in the Middle East. I've heard different estimates. Not sure which one is accurate, but just in the middle east alone, over 5 lac Indians are sent from various Indian intelligence and military organizations from middle to senior ranks. And how many are in junior support roles, no one knows.

Arabs, Americans, Canadians all woke up a little too late. But at least they woke up. This number over time would get into millions of operatives per year with new recruits being the next generation of youth in these nations born to Indian parents.

 

[Oscar]

Mickey Mouse says in Disney cartoons: Hey OSCAR! Where are you buddy? You made tall claims today. Give us the details.......

How does the security clearance system work in US?

What are the Security Clearances that STOP people from leaving sensitive work?

Did you read the post - no.
Any person worth their salt - who even has an iota of professional time in their life would have gone and disputed that link instead of posting the two tangent statements you did.
You’re an attention seeking underachiever who I have now come to the conclusion is simply not worth engaging anymore.

 

[Oscar]

I asked you for resources with credentials!! This one link is the only one with credentials but the issue is, they are all the same, they have some text, some have more text. There is NO research done whatsoever!! Check out your other sources too. No "research" criteria or hypothesis or results of "research" making a "hypothesis"!

Have you ever done real research on anything and written a thesis? Where are the use cases, industries they went to, analyzed economy, analyzed that talent (or brain drain's) overseas activities, success, failures, how they helped others from Pakistan or some industry in Pakistan to grow. Whether they did any of it or not, etc, etc. Prove to me that the "brain drain" term can be APPLIED on Pakistan because it has an impact on something. ALL of the above items I mentioned, are a part of the evaluation criteria to come to a hypothesis that YES, based on ALL these factors RESEARCHED with X,Y,Z results, it is concluded it is "brain drain" or it's NOT brain drain because the effects were marginalized due to labor availability, etc, etc.

The links you shared, ONLY have text lines of "we think it's brain drain because 880k people left due to political instability"? WHAT BULLSH8? Where is the RESEARCH? evaluation on something like an economy or macroeconomic or industries?

EXAMPLE: A paper says a bunch of F-15's capabilities and it says F-15 is a stealth plane because America said so. I am sure like you, many Americans will believe in this paper! Now another paper says "During RCS tests from frontal aspects, the AESA radar in X band could produce a .0002 (ms)2 RCS, while in Y band in VHF, it produced .0005 (mc)2 RCS and in UHF S/X band, it produced .0005 (ms)2 RCS. Another study used random AESA beams from a simulated target of 100 miles to 5 miles and was able to identify the F-35 with similar RCS from previous studies to be the same. THEREFOR THE F-35 is CONCLUDED TO BE STEALTHY! This is how a research is done. Not writing text statements.

If these were your "research studies", my long posts should be papers too because that was what was in your "research studies", not study just text and "opinions"!

Post some REAL research per the criteria I defined for you. Someone here should know what "research study" is!

Buddy - I don’t have the patience to spend with an utter JAHIL of your calibre.

Mubarak ho - go win.
This is truly the last interaction I have with you.

 

[Meengla]

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Trump wouldn't even be meeting the Pakistani PM today if he was really upset with the KSA-Pak agreement; Trump doesn't hide his whims and 'policies' much. Also, some Indian forum is saying it would be really bad for India if this agreement has the American blessing. So it is very important to focus on the American aspect of this agreement. I don't think KSA would risk annoying America because that would risk 'freezing' the huge KSA assets--look at what was done to Russia's assets after the Ukraine war started.