Pakistan UAVs News & Discussions

[kimjongun]

i noticed, alot of gids products are being divested to random new startups.

i have a sneaky suspicion this is babu's method to create the illusion of a varied defense industry...

Or maybe just creating shell companies so that when sanctions these entities are the one taking the blame and not the Back hand like nescom etc...creating a fluent supply of parts and chemicals?

 

[Ak01]

Or maybe just creating shell companies so that when sanctions these entities are the one taking the blame and not the Back hand like nescom etc...creating a fluent supply of parts and chemicals?

nah the sanctions are typically blanket, plus, not hard to make the connection

 

[Sparten]

Uh yeah. When I had seen that GIDS graphic I had thought this was an AI generated picture because who in their right mind would design something like this. And then yesterday I saw that picture.

Why this design looks like AI-designed horsepoop:
1. Electric Ducted Fans (EDF) have ONE purpose ONLY and that is to make a propeller look like a jet engine for hobby model aircraft. They are ALWAYS inefficient compared to an open prop if you use the same motor.
2. Putting your propulsive unit at the end of the wings is a super weird decision. It puts a huge amount of load on the wing. The only example I know of is the V-22 and that has very good reasons to put its engines at the wing tips and its wings are short. This skydog crap has put 4 engines at the ends of its long wings. You could easily move them near your fuselage, especially since you've made the stupid decision of using EDFs (see 1).

Relax. Its at Tilla. Every year some new fangaled thing makes a debut at Tilla and is never seen again. The guys who test the systems for the military in realistic (or as real as possible) condition re usually relentless. Lots of stuff gets yts moment in the sub, fails at Tilla (or down South near Mirpur Khas) and is never seen again.

 

[Sparten]

Just like we copied Stormbreaker even though it makes little sense for Pakistan to operate something that high tech.

Are you talking about the AZB-81LR(paging @Quwa)
If so, I have a funny feeling its a spinoff from the nuclear program. You are right, it makes no sense (and frankly its has higher specs than Stormbreaker, like almost twie the range).
But as a carrier for a nuclear warhead, it makes perfect sense. Gravity nuclear bomb are pretty much useless in our current scenario. Best open source guesses is the PAF is using ALCM for the nuclear role but that does leave a gap in the sub strageic spehere. This fills the niche perfectly, enough to engage tactical targets or stuff like BMD sites (nuclear scenario).
If its a spinoff then they may have goNe for a conventionalised version, since thy have already done most of the work (especially if the production run for the nuclear version is likely limited).

 

[Sparten]

i noticed, alot of gids products are being divested to random new startups.

i have a sneaky suspicion this is babu's method to create the illusion of a varied defense industry...

LOL, No. Divestment has been Fed Gov policy sincdeat least a decade and frankly its genesis lays in the 1990s. If anything Babus perfer centralisation.

 

[CSAW]

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[puttputt]

i noticed, alot of gids products are being divested to random new startups.

i have a sneaky suspicion this is babu's method to create the illusion of a varied defense industry...

That or it's a way to create more sales, marketing, and 'management' jobs for soon-to-be-retiring public sector employees or PAF officers.

 

[ghazi52]

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[Tank131]

Kizilelma vs F-16

Baykar conducted test to confirm communication between Kizilelma's Murad 100-A radar and Gokdogan allowing the drone to detect, target, and perform a simulated "shoot down" of an F-16 at 45km. Likely there was limited if any actual maneuvering in the test but this is proof of concept for Drone/Loyal Wingman vs fighter jet. It will be refined and expanded from here but i honestly see these drones as a good investment for both PAF and PN. Ideally Kizilelma B and C would make for great additions if acquired or Built in numbers (if PN could join this program like Leonardo just did). 35-40 of these flying off the deck of a drobe carrier like TCG Anadolu would be formidable in the future for PN and allow PAF to plug holes against IAF using long range missiles with Satellite and AWAC guidance or even flying escort using the above kill chains for JF-17s or F-16S being utilized for strike.

 

[Tank131]

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Ive been very interested in the utilization of Ababeel against Talibs. Every single outpost and FC/Ranger unit needs to be outfitted with similar drones (10/unit) which can be used to provide air support via mortars and machine gun support. Low cost way which allows FC to fight overwhelming numbers during Talib attacks while not waiting for air support to quickly thin the attackers numbers. They all need to be equipped with Anzas too to fight off Talibs using such drones recently as well.

The serbs have a drone (IKA-Bomber) similar to ababeel but it drops 10-12 mortars (60mm) or 60mm mines, and can be set for airburst to inflict wide scale damage against troopes and disable vehicles

IKA-BOMBER

Another version

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

PS: not sure about it's authenticity and timing. Can anyone confirm this ?

 

[MirageV3ff]

 

[Ali_Baba]

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PS: not sure about it's authenticity and timing. Can anyone confirm this ?

The only thing missing from that spec page is the range unfortunately.

 

[Michael]

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PS: not sure about it's authenticity and timing. Can anyone confirm this ?

The only thing missing from that spec page is the range unfortunately.

For suicide drones, the most important indicator is the unit price, followed by range and explosive power.
Only when the unit price is low enough can you mass-produce them, allowing their effectiveness to be fully realized. Advanced technology is not the core metric they pursue. (The more advanced it is, the higher the price will be.)
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DJI's 30kg-class multi-rotor UAV has a commercial retail price of 125,000 RMB.
1. Due to Chinese legal restrictions, its altitude and range are software-locked. However, these restrictions would be removed if it were deployed in the military market.
2. If purchased in bulk by the military, the price would be controlled to within 100,000 RMB.
3. It can return and be reused after deploying a 30kg payload; it is not a one-time, self-destructing drone.
Therefore, if Pakistan can keep the price of your self-destructing UAV below $10,000, it would be a very good product. Otherwise, its market competitiveness will be very limited.

Chinese suicide drone-related products:
PD-2900. Feilong-300D.
The unit price of these products is within US$10,000.

 

[Bilal]

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PS: not sure about it's authenticity and timing. Can anyone confirm this ?

This is Woot Tech product.