Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts

[White Privilege]

Is Pakistan retiring the Karakoram Eagle??

Pakistan to Retire ZDK-03 AEW&C: A Short-Lived Eagle Takes Flight – Indian Defence Research Wing

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[Zephyrus]

Is Pakistan retiring the Karakoram Eagle??

Pakistan to Retire ZDK-03 AEW&C: A Short-Lived Eagle Takes Flight – Indian Defence Research Wing

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Yes.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Is Pakistan retiring the Karakoram Eagle??

Pakistan to Retire ZDK-03 AEW&C: A Short-Lived Eagle Takes Flight – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

No.

 

[nahtanbob]

Germany's air force is nonexistent just like their army. France has a strong navy but its air force and army lack numbers, same is the case with UK. Poland has the largest and most well-equipped army by a wide margin in Europe after Russia. However, its navy desperately needs modernization as its fleet is ageing.

Just ask yourself this simple question, why would KSA bother to even buy ERIEYEs when they not only have almost limitless cash but also have access to E-3s? The UAE could have also bought E-3s but instead, they opted for GlobalEyes. Just accept your claim regarding the ERIEYE's capabilities is baseless.

I gave you an explanation for Saudi purchase of ERIEYE. They have 6 E-3s. They wanted to demonstrate "independence" from USA.

France is a major economic power compared to Poland. French make a lot of world class weapons. Poland does not. Compare Poland's air force with France air force. France has 300 Rafale & Mirage-2000. Poland has 48 F-16s, an order for F-35s and old Russian aircraft. France does not need a large army because they are not close to Russia.

 

[FuturePAF]

Sir I agree. Get them upgraded instead of retiring them.

IMHO, If the planes aren’t up the mark, they might as well be retired, ERIEYE-ER be procured, and the planes repurposed into a role we also need. We need around 4 EC-130 style Compass Call (ELINT/SIGINT/COMINT) planes to jam enemy comms and breaking datalinks. Not just jam their radars, but a dedicated plane to focus on their comms within a few hundred km of the border. (Maybe three can become Pakistani Compass call planes, while one becomes a Geophysical Survey aircraft as in the PLAAF, to look for minerals but enhanced with multi spectral cameras to make the search easier)

In fact adding a modern military grade multi spectral imaging camera to all four planes would benefit at identify anomalies very quickly, out to ~150 km from the platform. 80 nautical miles with this Collins based sensor for example.

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With the Comms gear already installed, the conversion to this new mission shouldn’t take as long as a new build.

This is not to be a replacement from the need to acquire a platform like the Havasoj, but to build a new capability we also need.

Havasoj for jamming Radars, and this plane for jamming comms. Jamming comms could also make them good for along the western border (hopefully not across) against militants as well, especially for a major operation, such as in Baluchistan or KPK.

It can be re-designated the “ZDK-DZ”. In the PLAAF this kind of airframe has variants used for:

ELINT/SIGINT
psychological warfare radio broadcasts
command and control
IFR tanker
EW
communications relay

EW can be left to the Havasoj, but an ELINT/SIGINT plane that’s an do Psyops, and be a C3I node with comms relay ability could really come in handy, especially when controlling drones and when the enemy will also be trying to jam our comms and links with our platforms.

An ELINT aircraft like this, with the range it has could also fly out to near Djibouti and watch the operations of the Indian naval task, to gather up comms data. The PAF definitely needs more purpose built ELINT aircraft.

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https://defence-blog.com/japanese-fighter-jets-intercept-chinese-electronic-warfare-and-surveillance-aircraft/

 

[Zarvan]

IMHO, If the planes aren’t up the mark, they might as well be retired, ERIEYE-ER be procured, and the planes repurposed into a role we also need. We need around 4 EC-130 style Compass Call (ELINT/SIGINT) planes to jam enemy comms. Not just jam their radars, but a dedicated plane to focus on their comms within a few hundred km of the border. (Maybe three can become Pakistani Compass call planes, while one becomes a Geophysical Survey aircraft as in the PLAAF, to look for minerals but enhanced with multi spectral cameras to make the search easier)

With the Comms gear already installed, the conversion to this new mission shouldn’t take as long as a new build.

This is not to be a replacement from the need to acquire a platform like the Havasoj, but to build a new capability we also need.

Havasoj for jamming Radars, and this plane for jamming comms. Jamming comms could also make them good for along the western border (hopefully not across) against militants as well, especially for a major operation, such as in Baluchistan or KPK.

It can be re-designated the “ZDK-DZ”. In the PLAAF this kind of airframe has variants used for:

ELINT/SIGINT
psychological warfare radio broadcasts
command and control
IFR tanker
EW
communications relay

EW can be left to the Havasoj, but an ELINT/SIGINT plane that’s an do Psyops, and be a C3I node with comms relay ability could really come in handy, especially when controlling drones and when the enemy will also be trying to jam our comms and links with our platforms.

An ELINT aircraft like this, with the range it has could also fly out to near Djibouti and watch the operations of the Indian naval task, to gather up comms data. The PAF definitely needs more purpose built ELINT aircraft.

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https://defence-blog.com/japanese-fighter-jets-intercept-chinese-electronic-warfare-and-surveillance-aircraft/

The planes are most likely being turned into EW role. The radar on the planes are being retired not the planes.

 

[ghazi52]

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[Ali Yusuf]

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As per Scamble.nl dutch website ...

Serial	Code	Type	CN	Unit	Status	First	Last	Comment	Previous ID
09-049		Saab 2000AEW	2000-049	3(AEW)sq	Active	2019	2019	as 09049	10049
10-025		Saab 2000AEW	2000-025	3(AEW)sq	Active	Nov 2011	Mar 2021	as 10025	SE-025
10-040		Saab 2000AEW	2000-040	3(AEW)sq / CCS	Active	Jul 2010	Mar 2022	as 10040	SE-040
11-045		Saab 2000AEW	2000-045	3(AEW)sq	Active	Mar 2017	Mar 2021	as 11045
18-060		Saab 2000AEW	2000-060	3(AEW)sq	Active	29 Aug 2018	Mar 2022	as 18060	VP-BPQ, SE-060
19-061		Saab 2000AEW	2000-061	3(AEW)sq	Active	Jun 2019	Mar 2021	as 19061	VP-BPR, SE-061
20-057		Saab 2000AEW	2000-057	3(AEW)sq	Active	May 2020	Mar 2022	as 20057	VP-BPM, SE-057
23-058		Saab 2000AEW	2000-058	3(AEW)sq	Active	Oct 2023	Jan 2024	as 23058	VP-BPN, SE-058

It seems we have ...

7 Saab-2000 Erieye AEW&C platforms.
1 Saab-2000 Erieye-ER AEW&C platform.

 

[farooqbhai]

As per Scamble.nl dutch website ...

Serial	Code	Type	CN	Unit	Status	First	Last	Comment	Previous ID
09-049		Saab 2000AEW	2000-049	3(AEW)sq	Active	2019	2019	as 09049	10049
10-025		Saab 2000AEW	2000-025	3(AEW)sq	Active	Nov 2011	Mar 2021	as 10025	SE-025
10-040		Saab 2000AEW	2000-040	3(AEW)sq / CCS	Active	Jul 2010	Mar 2022	as 10040	SE-040
11-045		Saab 2000AEW	2000-045	3(AEW)sq	Active	Mar 2017	Mar 2021	as 11045
18-060		Saab 2000AEW	2000-060	3(AEW)sq	Active	29 Aug 2018	Mar 2022	as 18060	VP-BPQ, SE-060
19-061		Saab 2000AEW	2000-061	3(AEW)sq	Active	Jun 2019	Mar 2021	as 19061	VP-BPR, SE-061
20-057		Saab 2000AEW	2000-057	3(AEW)sq	Active	May 2020	Mar 2022	as 20057	VP-BPM, SE-057
23-058		Saab 2000AEW	2000-058	3(AEW)sq	Active	Oct 2023	Jan 2024	as 23058	VP-BPN, SE-058

It seems we have ...

7 Saab-2000 Erieye AEW&C platforms.
1 Saab-2000 Erieye-ER AEW&C platform.

Not true. We have 8 Erieye and 1 Erieye ER. I have already posted serial several times before of a total of 9 Erieye/Erieye ER aircraft that we have had including one lost. Why do people not bother to read the older posts ....

 

[Quwa]

As per Scamble.nl dutch website ...

Serial	Code	Type	CN	Unit	Status	First	Last	Comment	Previous ID
09-049		Saab 2000AEW	2000-049	3(AEW)sq	Active	2019	2019	as 09049	10049
10-025		Saab 2000AEW	2000-025	3(AEW)sq	Active	Nov 2011	Mar 2021	as 10025	SE-025
10-040		Saab 2000AEW	2000-040	3(AEW)sq / CCS	Active	Jul 2010	Mar 2022	as 10040	SE-040
11-045		Saab 2000AEW	2000-045	3(AEW)sq	Active	Mar 2017	Mar 2021	as 11045
18-060		Saab 2000AEW	2000-060	3(AEW)sq	Active	29 Aug 2018	Mar 2022	as 18060	VP-BPQ, SE-060
19-061		Saab 2000AEW	2000-061	3(AEW)sq	Active	Jun 2019	Mar 2021	as 19061	VP-BPR, SE-061
20-057		Saab 2000AEW	2000-057	3(AEW)sq	Active	May 2020	Mar 2022	as 20057	VP-BPM, SE-057
23-058		Saab 2000AEW	2000-058	3(AEW)sq	Active	Oct 2023	Jan 2024	as 23058	VP-BPN, SE-058

It seems we have ...

7 Saab-2000 Erieye AEW&C platforms.
1 Saab-2000 Erieye-ER AEW&C platform.

I was able to visually verify:

• 3 Batch-I Erieye (originals)
• 3 Batch-II Erieye (2017 order)
• 1 Batch-III Erieye (2023 delivery)

However, Scramble and Asian Military Review have serials for 3 additional Erieye. But I think they both made a mistake by counting 09-049, which is/was 10-049, i.e., the destroyed unit. I think the other 2 are probable (10-060, 19-061).

If we go by the reliable records, the PAF has 9 Erieye AEW&C right now (7 verified via photos plus 2 probable from serial records).

 

[Ali_Baba]

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There is NO confirmation from either Saab or PAF, that they are getting the ER version !!!! Only that the tail fin is slightly different on the latest one. Nothing else ...

 

[Ali Yusuf]

Not true. We have 8 Erieye and 1 Erieye ER. I have already posted serial several times before of a total of 9 Erieye/Erieye ER aircraft that we have had including one lost. Why do people not bother to read the older posts ....

True or not true remains to be ascertained. I have shared my source at least. Kindly do the same. Or share your credentials to be accepted as an authoritative source like @Quwa .

 

[Ali Yusuf]

There is NO confirmation from either Saab or PAF, that they are getting the ER version !!!! Only that the tail fin is slightly different on the latest one. Nothing else ...

That is a valid point you have raised.

 

[Ali Yusuf]

I was able to visually verify:

• 3 Batch-I Erieye (originals)
• 3 Batch-II Erieye (2017 order)
• 1 Batch-III Erieye (2023 delivery)

However, Scramble and Asian Military Review have serials for 3 additional Erieye. So, the Scramble records have 2 Erieye we haven't actually seen (yet).

If we go by just the reliable records, the PAF could have 9-10 Erieye AEW&C right now. If we go by recent photo verification, they have at least 7.

Thank you for your feedback on the issue. Much appreciated.