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Is Pakistan retiring the Karakoram Eagle??
Pakistan's Airborne Early Warning and Control Aircrafts
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Zephyrus
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Yes.Is Pakistan retiring the Karakoram Eagle??
Ali_Baba
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Is Pakistan retiring the Karakoram Eagle??
No.
nahtanbob
Banned
I gave you an explanation for Saudi purchase of ERIEYE. They have 6 E-3s. They wanted to demonstrate "independence" from USA.
France is a major economic power compared to Poland. French make a lot of world class weapons. Poland does not. Compare Poland's air force with France air force. France has 300 Rafale & Mirage-2000. Poland has 48 F-16s, an order for F-35s and old Russian aircraft. France does not need a large army because they are not close to Russia.
FuturePAF
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
IMHO, If the planes aren’t up the mark, they might as well be retired, ERIEYE-ER be procured, and the planes repurposed into a role we also need. We need around 4 EC-130 style Compass Call (ELINT/SIGINT/COMINT) planes to jam enemy comms and breaking datalinks. Not just jam their radars, but a dedicated plane to focus on their comms within a few hundred km of the border. (Maybe three can become Pakistani Compass call planes, while one becomes a Geophysical Survey aircraft as in the PLAAF, to look for minerals but enhanced with multi spectral cameras to make the search easier)
In fact adding a modern military grade multi spectral imaging camera to all four planes would benefit at identify anomalies very quickly, out to ~150 km from the platform. 80 nautical miles with this Collins based sensor for example.
With the Comms gear already installed, the conversion to this new mission shouldn’t take as long as a new build.
This is not to be a replacement from the need to acquire a platform like the Havasoj, but to build a new capability we also need.
Havasoj for jamming Radars, and this plane for jamming comms. Jamming comms could also make them good for along the western border (hopefully not across) against militants as well, especially for a major operation, such as in Baluchistan or KPK.
It can be re-designated the “ZDK-DZ”. In the PLAAF this kind of airframe has variants used for:
ELINT/SIGINT
psychological warfare radio broadcasts
command and control
IFR tanker
EW
communications relay
EW can be left to the Havasoj, but an ELINT/SIGINT plane that’s an do Psyops, and be a C3I node with comms relay ability could really come in handy, especially when controlling drones and when the enemy will also be trying to jam our comms and links with our platforms.
An ELINT aircraft like this, with the range it has could also fly out to near Djibouti and watch the operations of the Indian naval task, to gather up comms data. The PAF definitely needs more purpose built ELINT aircraft.
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Zarvan
Elite Member
The planes are most likely being turned into EW role. The radar on the planes are being retired not the planes.
Ali Yusuf
Registered Member
As per Scamble.nl dutch website ...
| Serial | Code | Type | CN | Unit | Status | First | Last | Comment | Previous ID |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 09-049 | Saab 2000AEW | 2000-049 | 3(AEW)sq | Active | 2019 | 2019 | as 09049 | 10049 | |
| 10-025 | Saab 2000AEW | 2000-025 | 3(AEW)sq | Active | Nov 2011 | Mar 2021 | as 10025 | SE-025 | |
| 10-040 | Saab 2000AEW | 2000-040 | 3(AEW)sq / CCS | Active | Jul 2010 | Mar 2022 | as 10040 | SE-040 | |
| 11-045 | Saab 2000AEW | 2000-045 | 3(AEW)sq | Active | Mar 2017 | Mar 2021 | as 11045 | ||
| 18-060 | Saab 2000AEW | 2000-060 | 3(AEW)sq | Active | 29 Aug 2018 | Mar 2022 | as 18060 | VP-BPQ, SE-060 | |
| 19-061 | Saab 2000AEW | 2000-061 | 3(AEW)sq | Active | Jun 2019 | Mar 2021 | as 19061 | VP-BPR, SE-061 | |
| 20-057 | Saab 2000AEW | 2000-057 | 3(AEW)sq | Active | May 2020 | Mar 2022 | as 20057 | VP-BPM, SE-057 | |
| 23-058 | Saab 2000AEW | 2000-058 | 3(AEW)sq | Active | Oct 2023 | Jan 2024 | as 23058 | VP-BPN, SE-058 |
It seems we have ...
7 Saab-2000 Erieye AEW&C platforms.
1 Saab-2000 Erieye-ER AEW&C platform.
farooqbhai
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Not true. We have 8 Erieye and 1 Erieye ER. I have already posted serial several times before of a total of 9 Erieye/Erieye ER aircraft that we have had including one lost. Why do people not bother to read the older posts ....
Quwa
Research Partner
I was able to visually verify:
- 3 Batch-I Erieye (originals)
- 3 Batch-II Erieye (2017 order)
- 1 Batch-III Erieye (2023 delivery)
If we go by the reliable records, the PAF has 9 Erieye AEW&C right now (7 verified via photos plus 2 probable from serial records).
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Ali_Baba
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There is NO confirmation from either Saab or PAF, that they are getting the ER version !!!! Only that the tail fin is slightly different on the latest one. Nothing else ...
Ali Yusuf
Registered Member
That is a valid point you have raised.
Ali Yusuf
Registered Member
Thank you for your feedback on the issue. Much appreciated.
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