Pakistan’s standing in the world

All of the above waffle can be summed up in 1 para..

Duffers need to get out of politics and king making and give the mandate back to the ‘elected’ civilians not their chosen ones.. remove all army perks..

Are you sure you want to go that route ? In the short run you are replacing duffers in military with duffers in civilian clothing. The civilians will or try to normalize relationship with India. They have no choices here. At that point most of the PDF crowd will be calling for reinstatement of a military junta.
 
In the east we have a hostile India, with PM Modi refusing to engage with us and trade, and movement of people across borders is frozen. And there are no signs of the situation improving at least until the national elections in India that are due this year.
So Pakistan seems to think it would be better if India engaged and opened up to trade, especially given Pakistan’s economic issues. But India isn't too keen, probably due to political and security reasons. On forums like PDF, some folks argue that India is missing out by not engaging, which kind of comes off as "sour grapes"—criticizing because they can’t get what they want. From India’s side, it’s more about sticking to their bigger priorities rather than diving into trade with Pakistan, even if Pakistan sees it as a win-win.
 
The title says " Pakistan’s standing in the world".

Trust me, if the world had an option to send us to Mars or Alpha Centauri, they would have done it long ago.
 
bottom of the barrel, insignificant!

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Are you sure you want to go that route ? In the short run you are replacing duffers in military with duffers in civilian clothing. The civilians will or try to normalize relationship with India. They have no choices here. At that point most of the PDF crowd will be calling for reinstatement of a military junta.

how you people see my post#13?

we find, as per our Cold War Experience with our NAM efforts against NATO, the Beijing and the Moscow signed NPT with other joined P5s while supporting all the good and bad of NATO against developing world.........

the Beijing and Moscow signed NPT with other P5s and supported many crimes against developing countries.....

only '2' countries, the Pakistan and the India never signed NPT and i would say, the power not to sign NPT was more than those who signed NPT including P5s, who supported 'wrong' against developing countries.

the Tehran, the meaning of capital of Iran, and North Korea and Israel first signed NPT and afterword they deceived it. hence they faced sanctions.....

as per title of this thread, Pakistan had "Jayaz Haq" for nuclear tests in 1998, :pakistan:,along with India's nuke test in 1974. and hence, India has given full official recognition to Pakistan's holding of Nuclear, as nuclear power.......

and as mentioned above, and hence, the same India's favour Iran and N Korea couldn't get as they were missing 'Jayaz Haq'. here, its worth mentioning that Israel is US's man...... :coffee:
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Arab League is a "dead on arrival" league. No need for any representation. All they can do is talk....

I would say, we would say, the Arab League is that Religious Power which Christianity couldn't show as "World Religion". here, the Hindus, Buddhists, Chinese, Russians, Jews would be said to be "regional culture".

worth mentioning, we have been discussing that South Americans have been struggling with "Foreign Gods", which includes Christianity and Islam both, the only 2 options they have. the people like 'Mike Tyson' has been converted to Islam from Christianity. he was having English name also.....

here, its worth saying, the Chinese, Hindus, Buddhists, Russians, Jews type "regional cultures" are having "Home God" :coffee:

as per the topic, we read in Australian newspapers that Nuclear Pakistan is "Nuclear Saudi Arabia", how would you see this Western perception ☕
 
i remember, till the time when Moin Khan type people used to visit India and back after few movies type activities.
if you know that Pakistani Per Capita income was higher than India till then, then we also remember that Per Capita Income of China was less than India till then. (in PPP terms.)
i mean, if Pakistan was richer than India till early 90s, since 70s, then we also know that India was richer than China during that same period ......
Pakistan is 'only' 2 countries who never signed NPT, including India with P5s
And it's said, those who 'never' signed NPT are more powerful than those who signed NPT including P5 👍
A day we will understand, the power to 'sign' NPT including P5s is less than those who 'could' successfully denied NPT.....

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how you people see my post#13?

we find, as per our Cold War Experience with our NAM efforts against NATO, the Beijing and the Moscow signed NPT with other joined P5s while supporting all the good and bad of NATO against developing world......... :coffee:
the Beijing and Moscow signed NPT with other P5s and supported many crimes against developing countries..... ☕

only '2' countries, the Pakistan and the India never signed NPT and i would say, the power not to sign NPT was more than those who signed NPT including P5s, who supported 'wrong' against developing countries.

the Tehran, the meaning of capital of Iran, and North Korea and Israel first signed NPT and afterword they deceived it. hence they faced sanctions.....

as per title of this thread, Pakistan had "Jayaz Haq" for nuclear tests in 1998, :pakistan:,along with India's nuke test in 1974. and hence, India has given full official recognition to Pakistan's holding of Nuclear, as nuclear power.......

and as mentioned above, and hence, the same India's favour Iran and N Korea couldn't get as they were missing 'Jayaz Haq'. here, its worth mentioning that Israel is US's man...... :coffee:
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here, I remember "Somi Ali" along with Moin Khan also ........
people like Somi Ali was having bit more honoured visit during those periods, when these people were listed for visiting poorer countries in their times :coffee:
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bottom of the barrel, insignificant!
The title says " Pakistan’s standing in the world".

Trust me, if the world had an option to send us to Mars or Alpha Centauri, they would have done it long ago.

how would you people respond to Australian newpapers as discussed in post#20?
they call Pakistan's Nuclear as "Nuclear Saudi Arabia"......
here, how easy it is for Visa/residency of SA for Pakistani Nationals as compared to non-Muslim people of world? :coffee:
as per topic of this thread, "Pakistan’s standing in the world", while being with SA of Arab League?
 
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What’s interesting to note is that until the US was colonized - despite it’s size it had no influence due to lack of population but more so due to lack of trade and cross pollination of technology.

India was massive because it had both resources to exploit and trade - so did(does) China and India can return to its relative position somewhat - but the US is truly that odd case study of abundance of resources and enabled trade taking stance even if done so in a highly inefficient manner at times.

Because of the nature of the US - it’s truly absorbing the best of the world which the Brits regardless of their conquests were never able to efficiently exploit the lands they held as colonies.

we have been discussing in India, "Did Mr Jinnah ever been to Jail till becoming Governor of Pakistan, a dominion of Britain during period of governor Jinnah?"

as mentioned in my last post#36, British government was seen less successful in collecting Taxes from Indian subcontinent till Rule of Congress till Independence, before birth of 'dominion' Pakistan by 1947 led by 'governor' Jinnah.....
if you can't have taxes from Congress Ruled Indian Subcontinent, little bit seen on few areas of Undivided India, then how you say India, "a colony"?
the Congress which was led, as President, by Mr Gandhi and Mr SC Bose both till 1947 as mentioned in my last post#36.....

similarly, we discussed the same about "Afghanistan", how many cities you had for Tax Collection under President Rule of USA? they answered, it was visible only in Kabul, remaining Afghan never paid taxes to US Tax Payers, who spent a lot in Afghan stay.... :coffee:
 

Regaining global relevance


PAKISTAN is becoming increasingly marginalised in international affairs. It is no longer able to shape the strategic environment in its neighbourhood to advance its interests, much less influence global geopolitics.

The country has faced reversals on a number of fronts, notably Kashmir and Afghanistan. Once an active diplomatic player in the Middle East, today its principal engagement with the region is to seek loans from rich Arab countries. Even the country’s most critical bilateral relationship — with China — is facing challenges. Its international relevance has been progressively declining and its diplomatic options shrinking.

A combination of factors is responsible for this situation. Pakistan’s economic weakness, political instability, unceasing turmoil, poor governance, continuing internal security threats and strategic confusion. The key question raised by this is why the country was strategically ‘relevant’ in the past when some of these characteristics were also present.

The answer is that factors or developments extraneous to Pakistan gave it a significant role and importance in global geopolitics. For over two decades after its independence, it was the Cold War that catapulted Pakistan into the position of a much sought-after ally by the US-led West in its fight against communism. Membership of Western-sponsored military alliances enabled it to benefit from significant economic and military assistance.

In the 1980s, it was the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan that propelled Pakistan in a ‘front-line’ role in the international coalition’s campaign to roll back Russian occupation. The defeat and disintegration of the Soviet Union was followed by a period in which Pakistan’s geostrategic importance declined precipitously. 9/11 dramatically changed that. Pakistan once again assumed a front-line role in the so-called War on Terror. This enabled the country to coast along for two decades in a globally prominent role as a result of the US and Nato countries’ need for Pakistan’s cooperation in the war in Afghanistan.

What all three phases underlined was that external dynamics, regional geopolitical storms or big power rivalries enhanced Pakistan’s international importance. Thus, factors extraneous to the country affected transformations in Pakistan’s global status, not its intrinsic importance. But in the changed international environment of the post-Cold War era what increasingly mattered was countries’ own attributes that gave them importance. There Pakistan came up short.

This should have been an urgent call to adjust to new realities. External overreach and internal underreach had characterised Pakistan’s past priorities and actions. That was no longer tenable. But successive governments failed to see the world had changed fundamentally and the days of living off geopolitical rents were over. Ruling elites didn’t understand the only way the country could reverse the erosion in its strategic importance was by strengthening and empowering itself at home and putting its own house in order. But old habits persisted as did outdated paradigms.


Pakistan now has to operate in and adapt to a vastly transformed international environment. The post-Cold War era has given way to a world of growing multipolarity, where power is being redistributed and where there is intense competition among states for global influence. In this transformed landscape, it is increasingly the economic power of countries that gives them international clout and heft. Nations with strong economies and who are technology innovators are the ones that have become consequential in the international arena.

The growing importance and rising clout of ‘middle powers’ in global affairs reflects this. Middle powers are not superpowers but have characteristics that give them the ability to influence and shape geopolitics. Most middle powers have strong economies and possess other positive attributes that provide them leverage in global affairs to pursue their national interests as well as the ability to build multiple relationships through skilful diplomacy.

The structural changes and dispersal of power in the international system — the currency of power having changed — has created an enabling environment for middle power diplomatic activism and for them to wield greater influence and become global players. Middle powers play off the US-China competition to strengthen their bargaining position even while they seek to enhance relations with both global powers. They try to avoid getting into the crosshairs of that confrontation but also reap advantages from it. This urges both the US and China to pay more attention to them to ensure they are not firmly tied to their rival’s camp.

Pakistan doesn’t figure today among middle powers that include many countries of the Global South, such as Turkiye, India, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Singapore among several others. But it has all the potential to become one.

To be internationally relevant, it must first and foremost build a strong and resilient economy that is not reliant on external life support, on bailouts and borrowing — an economy integrated into the global economy, which at present it is far from being. This needs efficient governance, political stability and an end to the political squabbles that keep the country in such an unsettled, distracted and divided state. It also needs an educated citizenry and workforce that has the ability to innovate and contribute to scientific and technological progress. All this will engender national self-confidence that can empower the country with hope and optimism, which acts as a force multiplier.

Along with building domestic strength, incorporating soft power in the country’s diplomatic strategy will also help to improve its global standing and reputation. Understood as a country’s qualities or behaviour that appeals to others, soft power can be an indispensable tool to boost its international influence and image. Pakistan has several soft power resources which if identified and leveraged intelligently can help create positive perceptions about the country and build trust, which in turn, can elevate its position and elicit support from the international community for its foreign policy goals.

To sum up, Pakistan’s international relevance now depends on its domestic repositioning and the choices made at home to strengthen the economy, establish durable political stability, provide competent governance, invest in people and address its human development deficits. It also involves fashioning and implementing a coherent and imaginative foreign policy. What should be clear is that there are no shortcuts to rebooting Pakistan’s global influence.

The writer is a former ambassador to the US, UK and UN.

I find the Pakistan deserved to get a place in G20s in place of countries like Italy, Turkey or Argentina.... 🕳️

By second half this century, these 3 countries are finished, similar to many other countries. While the Pakistan is standing on its own, closed to it's state before 1990 🇵🇰
 
I find the Pakistan deserved to get a place in G20s in place of countries like Italy, Turkey or Argentina.... 🕳️

By second half this century, these 3 countries are finished, similar to many other countries. While the Pakistan is standing on its own, closed to it's state before 1990 🇵🇰

You are assuming uninterrupted immigration, free trade without tarrifs. Otherwise Pakistan will Asia's version of Nigeria with nukes.
 
Our enemies and haters are going to try very hard to destabilize the current government.

Like clockwork they return after every 3 years.

They know political stability will manifest into economic and societal stability.

Pakistan must push through this over the next the few years.
 
Well we need to develop our country, focus on education, industry, and the economy.
 
Pravin Sawhney on Pakistan's geopolitical prominence.

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Amongst other gains made by Pakistan from #OperationSindoor, its geopolitical profile has risen spectacularly. In the once-in-a-century change underway in the world, the three Great Powers (America, China & Russia) which are shaping the world need geopolitical pivots: nations whose support is necessary for Great Powers in their job. Pakistan has emerged as the major geopolitical pivot (for all three Great Powers) for West, South & Central Asia landmass which is the heart of Eurasia. Sadly, most in India believe that Pakistan is a failed nation!

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