POST WAR assessment of recent conflict.

[Vkdindian1]

The more ‘meaty military accomplishment was India’s’ Imagine for a second that in its initial attack the IAF had shot down 3 J-10’s an F-16 and a JF-17 at no loss to themselves. What would your thoughts have been if a Pakistani then posted on an Indian defence forum that the more ‘meaty military accomplishment was Pakistan’s’???
In modern battle the AirForce is the most important aspect by far and the IAF got soundly humiliated. If the boot was on the other foot, there would be no debate, but backed by a sympathetic western media, India is trying hard to somehow prove that black is actually white. U can go on about how many ‘ terrorists India claims to have killed ( didn’t they also say they killed 100’s in Balakot, despite the building they targeted not even being hit?) or whatever else to support that narrative all of which is dubious at best. What isn’t dubious are the pics / vids of downed IAF jets, confirmation from Paris and Washington, initial reports by India’s own media that were quickly forced to retract and most glaringly of all, unlike what you said above, India has not even denied them. Instead giving unbelievably shameless responses like, ‘all our pilots are back safely’ err but what about the planes?or ‘ you are asking the wrong question, ask us if we achieved our target’ this from an Airforce that said it achieved its target when all it hit was trees in 2019 and claimed to have downed an F-16 even giving the downed Mig 21’s hapless pilot a medal for doing sodespite all his misiles still be attached to his downed jet.
The combination of India ultranationalism where everything India does is simply the best, the understandable need to cope in the face of this humiliation and ever self critical Pakistanis, who always see the glass half empty despite the miracles their military pulls off with meagre resources, gives you the perfect environment to peddle this BS.

You have written a lot of English with more emotions than stating facts.

I haven’t said who won or who lost. I just analysed one attack on a hangar
It is better to keep it brief and stick to the topic at hand.

 

[Vkdindian1]

The aircraft was on the tarmac outside the shelter. That’s what I have heard.

That is always a possibility. From the time the attack was planned to it’s execution an asset can always be moved.

Then there is another aspect of providing proof of successful attacks.
Both militaries have made tall claims. None have come out with proof of success of all of these. Each side has chosen to provide proof of only those aspects , where they have done good. Others have been kept in limbo, for these forums to fight it out and decode.

IAF appears to have penetrated PAF AD a little better, by making impact over highly defended bases deep inside. Actual loss on ground isn’t known and unlikely to be accepted by each side as this would credence to the other side.

Shooting down of IAF aircraft was an excellent tactical move by PAF and shows that they did their ground work well. This would remain a talking point, every time this skirmish is spoken about.

This isn’t the last one either, due to Kashmir still remaining a flash point with addition of IWT suspension by India.

Who learns from their mistakes this time, would be seen in the next one.

Next time, the escalation ladder could go up faster than this time.

 

[TAC]

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This is what i meant when i said you dont provide half arsed evidence when making claims as everything is under surveillance from private satellites to the numerous camera phones in our pockets.

India releasing the damage they did to Pakistan air bases has out done everything Pakistan did to India on the first day.

We still cant provide evidence for destroying Udhampur & Brahmos storage facilities as these were random statements for home consumption.

Now dealing with the humiliation is solely up to the DGISPR for being total morons.

1 image showing some sort of an impact, doesn’t look like a crater on a runway / road and you think this out did everything Pakistan did on the first day???!! O ok

 

[TAC]

You have written a lot of English with more emotions than stating facts.

I haven’t said who won or who lost. I just analysed one attack on a hangar
It is better to keep it brief and stick to the topic at hand.

I know exactly what you’re doing. Trying to fudge the facts to make it sound like it was pretty even with maybe bit of edge to India. Like I said BS plain and simple. I am on topic , suggest u go start a Coping with Humiliation thread and go do this their with your pals.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The aircraft was on the tarmac outside the shelter. That’s what I have heard.

Please stop making stuff up…..

 

[Ali_Baba]

One fourth of the hangar roof has been blown away indicating a high speed impact, indicating Brahmos usage.

Generally, these hangars accommodate 1-2 biggish aircraft.
(non-fighter class).

Even if an aircraft was parked at diagonally opposite end from where the missile entered, there is likely to be significant amount of damage to it. It can’t be just shrapnel damage considering the size of blast recorded from that base seen in many videos. There would be damage due to blast and fire too.

What was inside isn’t known and is unlikely to be accepted by PAF.

This attack must have been carried out with highly accurate intelligence available, to inflict big damage to PAF war effort. My assumption that it would be most likely an AEWC.

It was anlso corroborated by the Air Marshal from Pakistan.

lol - nothing was there except some fantasy of yours. This has been discussed and dismissed entirely on this thread multiple times now..

 

[Oscar]

One fourth of the hangar roof has been blown away indicating a high speed impact, indicating Brahmos usage.

Generally, these hangars accommodate 1-2 biggish aircraft.
(non-fighter class).

Even if an aircraft was parked at diagonally opposite end from where the missile entered, there is likely to be significant amount of damage to it. It can’t be just shrapnel damage considering the size of blast recorded from that base seen in many videos. There would be damage due to blast and fire too.

What was inside isn’t known and is unlikely to be accepted by PAF.

This attack must have been carried out with highly accurate intelligence available, to inflict big damage to PAF war effort. My assumption that it would be most likely an AEWC.

It was anlso corroborated by the Air Marshal from Pakistan.

The asset is hit but depot level fix - serendipitous considering the weapon used and where it hit. Loss of life however is still unfortunate.

The fault perhaps may lie with the timing of the attack and AD posture.
First, the attack was done barely 2 hours from the DECLARED CEASEFIRE time in the attempt to score it. Very ungentlemanly but no one expects that.

Next, AD was confused a little from ceasefire declaration to time to effect - potentially creating more confusion when the message from top was HOLD.

 

[Lulldapull]

Pakistan beex

The Indians upgraded their 40 mm L70 bodies guns via Israel. We should do a similar upgrade with our AA guns via China.

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Israels have helped India a lot in this flare up bro........They're all praises of India against us.

I want the taxi cabby baradri here to understand this nexus.

There are still some cabby bastards here who are in denial about reality:

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[Vkdindian1]

lol - nothing was there except some fantasy of yours.

You could have said that, there was nothing inside the hangar, like the other member.
Aren’t these hangars supposed to house equipment and aircraft and there is always possibility of one/few being inside?
What is to do with fantasy in this?

 

[Abid123]

I haven’t said who won or who lost. I just analysed one attack on a hangar
It is better to keep it brief and stick to the topic at hand.

Weren’t you the one in that old PDF who criticized the PAF for being unprofessional and having poor leadership?

 

[Vkdindian1]

I know exactly what you’re doing. Trying to fudge the facts to make it sound like it was pretty even with maybe bit of edge to India. Like I said BS plain and simple. I am on topic , suggest u go start a Coping with Humiliation thread and go do this their with your pals.

Nope.
Completely incorrect. Read my comment carefully. Day one has been also spoken about as it should be.
I have given credit where it’s due.

 

[WhispersFromThePast]

Please stop making stuff up…..

Just saying what I heard

 

[Ali_Baba]

Just saying what I heard

Stop listening to Indians, it will rot your brain…

 

[WhispersFromThePast]

Stop listening to Indians, it will rot your brain…

Stop making assumptions about whom I listen to.

 

[Lulldapull]

You could have said that, there was nothing inside the hangar, like the other member.
Aren’t these hangars supposed to house equipment and aircraft and there is always possibility of one/few being inside?
What is to do with fantasy in this?

Only issue is with war clouds looming, PAF would have dispersed its assets weeks ago. Which is most likely the case.

Look I'm not taking anything away from you.......just that you assume Pakistan armed forces as completely incompetent.

How many wars/ skirmishes have we fought?