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Prisoner number 804: the plot to erase Imran Khan

It’s one thing to remove a PM from office, as happened to the former cricketer in 2022. But it’s another thing to try to eradicate the most famous person in Pakistan’s history
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This was the article @Yousafzai_M posted which was deleted.
 
baqai said:
there is one thread to discuss, no need to create further threads, he was informed about it, lets not create conspiracy theories around it
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that reminds of the format of pakdef.org.

That forum died a death under that format. But it's not my place to decide these things.
 
313Ghazi said:
@Yousafzai_M your thread was deleted as part of PDF's attempts to oppress any support for PTI. But in response to what you posted I would like to say.....


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Faujeets can take as much copium as they like, but erasing Imran Khan is not possible. The only way is to kill him, and even them it doesn't matter. As @Taimoor has said - the hatred for the military Junta and all those who facilitate and support it - it's now part of the social fabric.
Every generation has it, those who saw Fatima Jinnah mistreated hated Ayub, those who saw Bangladesh torn from us hate Yahya Khan, those who saw Bhutto hanged hate Zia, those who suffered the consequences of Zia hate him too, those who lost Benazir, hate Musharraf, and we will always hate Bajwa/Munir and anyone else who comes after them.

All the wars and the fake medals and the parades won't change a thing. PDF is a hotbed of people who worship the ground the Generals walk on, and even here - the majority hate the Junta. The rules have been tightened to prevent the expression of that hatred everywhere.

I was a proud ****, i think Pervez Musharraf shit gold and burped wisdom. I was a fool. Never again in my life will I support anyone who puts their personal interests ahead of the state of Pakistan. Even if Imran Khan did that - i would not support him. I don't support his approach to Afghanistan for example - but I will support him in his fight for democracy.

Democracy is a shit system, but it's the best we have right now. It's much better than being a plaything of the military and the elite.
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Why look far into the future? just see how Bajwa has been made completely redundant. No one care, no one even express any concern or sympathy for him. What a legacy!
 
baqai said:
it's convenient that the very same judiciary becomes good when decisions are in favor but non functional when decisions are against
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Would you not agree after the latest amendment the judiciary has become toothless in addition to being incompetent prior?

A good pointer would be how Pakistan’s judiciary fares vis a vis its peer countries.

Nothing to do with which political party one supports.
 
313Ghazi said:
@Yousafzai_M your thread was deleted as part of PDF's attempts to oppress any support for PTI. But in response to what you posted I would like to say.....


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Faujeets can take as much copium as they like, but erasing Imran Khan is not possible. The only way is to kill him, and even them it doesn't matter. As @Taimoor has said - the hatred for the military Junta and all those who facilitate and support it - it's now part of the social fabric.
Every generation has it, those who saw Fatima Jinnah mistreated hated Ayub, those who saw Bangladesh torn from us hate Yahya Khan, those who saw Bhutto hanged hate Zia, those who suffered the consequences of Zia hate him too, those who lost Benazir, hate Musharraf, and we will always hate Bajwa/Munir and anyone else who comes after them.

All the wars and the fake medals and the parades won't change a thing. PDF is a hotbed of people who worship the ground the Generals walk on, and even here - the majority hate the Junta. The rules have been tightened to prevent the expression of that hatred everywhere.

I was a proud ****, i think Pervez Musharraf shit gold and burped wisdom. I was a fool. Never again in my life will I support anyone who puts their personal interests ahead of the state of Pakistan. Even if Imran Khan did that - i would not support him. I don't support his approach to Afghanistan for example - but I will support him in his fight for democracy.

Democracy is a shit system, but it's the best we have right now. It's much better than being a plaything of the military and the elite.
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It wasn't deleted it was moved into this thread which covers the same stuff, mods do this a lot on a lot of topics.

Anyway why do you say democracy is the best system present right now? Global examples prove that's not true
 
baqai said:
it's convenient that the very same judiciary becomes good when decisions are in favor but non functional when decisions are against
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I think you'll find most people have been critical of the judiciary consistently.

I have personally publicly criticised the judiciary about the handling of the Asia Masih case where multiple layers of the judiciary failed justice, as well as the CJP who was busy touring hospitals and building dams. I felt that was not his role and he should have focused on fixing the judiciary.

Yeah the judiciary is a political football, and in a country where institutional overreach is par for the course, some people will cheer dictators and corrupt judges when it aligns with thier political desires and lament them when it doesnt.

Even that hypocrisy by Joe Public doesn't change the fact that they are inept, corrupt and compromised.
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
It wasn't deleted it was moved into this thread which covers the same stuff, mods do this a lot on a lot of topics.

Anyway why do you say democracy is the best system present right now? Global examples prove that's not true
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na saar opression saar

also this article might the gayest one yet
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
It wasn't deleted it was moved into this thread which covers the same stuff, mods do this a lot on a lot of topics.

Anyway why do you say democracy is the best system present right now? Global examples prove that's not true
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It's a matter of opinion. You could argue that the Chinese communist model is the most successful model right now, but we are not Chinese, our society is not structured in the same way, the people who hold power there are not the same people who hold power here. What they did will not work for us. Not to say that Parliamentary democracy or any other twist on it is without flaws - but it's better than dictatorship.
 
313Ghazi said:
@Yousafzai_M your thread was deleted as part of PDF's attempts to oppress any support for PTI. But in response to what you posted I would like to say.....


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Faujeets can take as much copium as they like, but erasing Imran Khan is not possible. The only way is to kill him, and even them it doesn't matter. As @Taimoor has said - the hatred for the military Junta and all those who facilitate and support it - it's now part of the social fabric.
Every generation has it, those who saw Fatima Jinnah mistreated hated Ayub, those who saw Bangladesh torn from us hate Yahya Khan, those who saw Bhutto hanged hate Zia, those who suffered the consequences of Zia hate him too, those who lost Benazir, hate Musharraf, and we will always hate Bajwa/Munir and anyone else who comes after them.

All the wars and the fake medals and the parades won't change a thing. PDF is a hotbed of people who worship the ground the Generals walk on, and even here - the majority hate the Junta. The rules have been tightened to prevent the expression of that hatred everywhere.

I was a proud ****, i think Pervez Musharraf shit gold and burped wisdom. I was a fool. Never again in my life will I support anyone who puts their personal interests ahead of the state of Pakistan. Even if Imran Khan did that - i would not support him. I don't support his approach to Afghanistan for example - but I will support him in his fight for democracy.

Democracy is a shit system, but it's the best we have right now. It's much better than being a plaything of the military and the elite.
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You are still living inside the PTI bubble of info & social media. The ground reality has drastically changed long back. And the longer PTI does not understand this, the better for the other sides involved.

You cannot use the excuse of state being heavy-handed, to claim that even 0.0001% of the population is unwilling to come out for such a beloved and popular leader. The simple ground reality is that other than occasional political arguments to vent their frustrations, people have moved on. Which happens in every country, actually far worse in places like the US, France, India etc in today's Social Media driven societies ... its not a situation unique to Pakistan.

As for the army, they are on the other side of the spectrum now. They have taken as much reputational damage as was possible. Unlike Imran Khan, they have all the time in the world to work on it. They have recovered from a lot worse, in the last 79 years.

As for IK, he got his chance in 2018. He only has himself to blame for the situation he is in, as a result of a plethora of bad decision and continued status quo under the alternative name of 'same page'. He is living the consequences of his own making. The public has no liability to save him from his mistakes. As with every country, yes Pakistan is not perfect, Pakistan has its own problems, many will come, some will go .. people will live their lives and life will go on, with our without IK.

Its a fact of life since humans have lived on Earth. Its pointless to argue on the contrary
 
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313Ghazi said:
It's a matter of opinion. You could argue that the Chinese communist model is the most successful model right now, but we are not Chinese, our society is not structured in the same way, the people who hold power there are not the same people who hold power here. What they did will not work for us. Not to say that Parliamentary democracy or any other twist on it is without flaws - but it's better than dictatorship.
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A civil-military fusion semi-authoritarian set up would work the best in Pakistan with popular support. That is what even PTI was.

The regional security paired with the very weak civilian political culture and institutions means its the most effective system until society slowly evolves
 
newb3e said:
so where is the economic turn around promised by his lordness meri jind meri jaan two years back? where is security promised two years back? where is peace!! where is judiciary!! where is law!
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Nice off topic whataboutery, but where is this widespread public support and protests to get IK released as PTI keeps promising and failing every time?

Obviously, PTI support has never been shown to be actually what is claimed by the cult of IK. The title of this thread seems to be another dud, too.
 
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