PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[flyingorca]

Constitution of 1973 as voted on by Pakistanis is the only relevant document, yes.

Yes—Pakistan’s constitution is heavily influenced by the British Raj, and a large portion of its legal and administrative structure traces back to British colonial rule.
How it traces back
The biggest direct link is the Government of India Act 1935.
When Pakistan was created in 1947, it didn’t immediately have its own constitution, so it basically used this British law as its interim constitution.
How much influence are we talking about?
A significant portion (arguably the majority of the framework) comes from British-era systems, especially:
1. Government structure
Parliamentary system (Prime Minister, Cabinet, etc.)
Role of Governor → later President
All modeled on the British system
2. Legal system
Pakistan still follows common law, inherited from Britain
Courts, procedures, and legal principles come from British jurisprudence
3. Bureaucracy & administration
Civil services system (like CSP → now CSS)
District administration, policing structure
Direct continuation of colonial administration
4. Federal setup
Division of powers between center and provinces
Comes largely from the 1935 Act

 

[pashtunkoum]

Yes—Pakistan’s constitution is heavily influenced by the British Raj, and a large portion of its legal and administrative structure traces back to British colonial rule.
How it traces back
The biggest direct link is the Government of India Act 1935.
When Pakistan was created in 1947, it didn’t immediately have its own constitution, so it basically used this British law as its interim constitution.
How much influence are we talking about?
A significant portion (arguably the majority of the framework) comes from British-era systems, especially:
1. Government structure
Parliamentary system (Prime Minister, Cabinet, etc.)
Role of Governor → later President
All modeled on the British system
2. Legal system
Pakistan still follows common law, inherited from Britain
Courts, procedures, and legal principles come from British jurisprudence
3. Bureaucracy & administration
Civil services system (like CSP → now CSS)
District administration, policing structure
Direct continuation of colonial administration
4. Federal setup
Division of powers between center and provinces
Comes largely from the 1935 Act

How is any of this relevant and why did you start all of this by saying IK supporters run away from logical questions when you're repeatedly doing the same? Can you for once answer any of the points I've raised? Or is it just grandiose statements like "CULTIST" and no logical arguments?

 

[flyingorca]

You're again avoiding the reality.

1) USA had not attacked a democratic government for decades. It's not to say it couldn't happen but a political front has a lot more flexibility than a single figurehead on loose footing. This is basic geo politics. It's called strategic alliances not take what you want. At the end of the day PAKISTAN suffered.

2) India was not freely operating until later. Pakistan turned its back on assets and Musharraf sold out a few. Things changed.

3) Yes USA was demanding Pakistan to do more because when you become a total servant the master is never happy despite lost investment and lives. No country respects you. Only certain Pakistanis think Saluting trump and nominating him for a Nobel Peace prize is of any benefit.

4) "Now just for a minute think what US would have done had Pakistan said No to all their demands or just provided them with intel and thats it". You're extremely naive. It's not about saying "no" to demands. Pakistan went out of its way to turnover previously trusted assets and in some cases even framed innocents. America isn't going to get angry on what they don't know about.

In summary, cooperation with America was not wrong. The extent and manner in which Musharraf did so compromised Pakistans balance on the western border and strategic depth. A mistake Pakistan is paying for till this day.

The irony of calling IK supporters naive....

99% of your content revolves around the consequences of supporting US in WOT. Atleast you made an improvement from 100% diversion tactics.

So according to you that dictators are easy targets for US then does that mean if middle east, north Africa, and some parts of Asia had democratically elected leaders, US dominance in the region would have been minimal? You must be a salesman or a banker by profession to come up with such churan
So Iran should perhaps have democracy ASAP and elect a new democratically elected leader if it wants to avoid future conflicts? Right?

Hmmm speaking of daddy Trump. Wasnt it Imranis who were praying 5 times a day for Trump to win election and when he won they were tumkay maraying in celebration because daddy Trump won because they had hopes that he would bail out Imran? Did Imranis not know about Trump's close ties with Israel? Oh hum to bholay hain humay to pata nahi that. And wasnt it PTI who was lobbying in US who all turned out to be pro Israel? Lol
So when PTI does it its super Halal but when others do its its ultra pro max haram.

Now tell me exactly as to why US would not demand this and that from Imran Khan during WOT? And remind me again how US would be okay with taking No from Imran Khan?

 

[flyingorca]

How is any of this relevant and why did you start all of this by saying IK supporters run away from logical questions when you're repeatedly doing the same? Can you for once answer any of the points I've raised? Or is it just grandiose statements like "CULTIST" and no logical arguments?

Are you Watandar?

 

[Respect4Respect]

That was cookie worth of a response.
I asked a very simple straightforward question which was "if Imran Khan was the prime minister of Pakistan during 2000s and if he had said No to the Americans what would have been the consequences for Pakistan".
Now when you are done with your mental gymnastics and off topic rant, please respond to my question.

Are you really that naive that you didn’t understand what i said or do you want me to explain it to you like you are five? i literally gave you the example of india which stayed neutral. That’s exactly what Pakistan could have done if it wasn’t being ruled by a dictator. Did india cease to exist? Were the americans going to attack a nuclear power? Nope....and despite all the obedience your coward generals still let them kill innocent civilians with drone strikes while we were their allies.

The other threat was sanctions and even then you could have told the americans that just like it’s "America First" for them, it’s "Pakistan First" for us. We can’t take part in foreign wars that would destroy our society and tear the country apart from the inside. We could have agreed to limited support like border control, diplomatic pressure on the talibs or intelligence sharing at most. We could have played the role of a mediator instead of handing over our sovereignty.
At some point you have to take a stand or the bully keeps demanding more...did you forget about the infamous "Do More" demands?

 

[Watandar]

why are you all feeding this troll ? This thread is about PTI.

Lets get back to the topic.

Imran Khan says treatment of his wife in prison is ‘inhumane’

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Respect4Respect]

About as well as what "absolutely not!" achieved, perhaps?

what have licking USA and Israeli boots achieved in the past 3 years?

 

[VCheng]

what have licking USA and Israeli boots achieved in the past 3 years?

That is a different topic. This thread is about "PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment".

What freedom movements has PTI had over the last three years except bowel movements?

 

[Respect4Respect]

That is a different topic. This thread is about "PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment".

What freedom movements has PTI had over the last three years except bowel movements?

Why did you bring up "absolutely not" if its not even related to the topic of the thread?

 

[VCheng]

Why did you bring up "absolutely not" if its not even related to the topic of the thread?

I was highlighting the risks of saying such absolutes in international geopolitics. Only fools say such things. Clearly.

 

[baqai]

Would you not agree after the latest amendment the judiciary has become toothless in addition to being incompetent prior?

A good pointer would be how Pakistan’s judiciary fares vis a vis its peer countries.

Nothing to do with which political party one supports.

Would you not agree that we have NEVER had any judiciary, it has always been a toy in one power hand or the other, the very same judiciary not so long ago was doing the same malicious acts in favor of party A and it's doing the same for party B now

my point is that what's wrong WAS/IS/WILL BE wrong, anything other than that would be being hypocrite

 

[baqai]

that reminds of the format of pakdef.org.

That forum died a death under that format. But it's not my place to decide these things.

thank you, will keep that under consideration, as far as I am concerned it's easier to manage things under one roof (thread)

 

[Watandar]

Only information coming out about Mr Khan's health is whatever the govt allows.

Imran administered third dose of eye injection | The Express Tribune

Imran was first taken to the hospital in late January for a minor eye procedure

tribune.com.pk

 

[flyingorca]

Are you really that naive that you didn’t understand what i said or do you want me to explain it to you like you are five? i literally gave you the example of india which stayed neutral. That’s exactly what Pakistan could have done if it wasn’t being ruled by a dictator. Did india cease to exist? Were the americans going to attack a nuclear power? Nope....and despite all the obedience your coward generals still let them kill innocent civilians with drone strikes while we were their allies.

The other threat was sanctions and even then you could have told the americans that just like it’s "America First" for them, it’s "Pakistan First" for us. We can’t take part in foreign wars that would destroy our society and tear the country apart from the inside. We could have agreed to limited support like border control, diplomatic pressure on the talibs or intelligence sharing at most. We could have played the role of a mediator instead of handing over our sovereignty.
At some point you have to take a stand or the bully keeps demanding more...did you forget about the infamous "Do More" demands?

Remember what the plan was? To target muslim countries. India is pro zionist country and Afganistan does not even border with India.
Fun fact, US does not respect your feelings or your constitution. They will get from you what they want.
But nice try.

 

[VCheng]

Only information coming out about Mr Khan's health is whatever the govt allows.

Imran administered third dose of eye injection | The Express Tribune

Imran was first taken to the hospital in late January for a minor eye procedure

tribune.com.pk

The healthcare he is receiving for his eye is according to international standards.