PTI freedom movement against Judiciary and Establishment: News, Discussion & Updates

[Circadian Rhythm]

Well - muslims did Hudaybiya the first time they were stopped from Hajj.

But in this case the situation is much much worse - not more so for Imran Riaz’a Hajj.. whatever his intentions are his own.. but the fallout from the follies of the establishment and their corrupt buddies PDM is so that at this point the educated middle class is divided into three camps mainly; those that have a vested connection or interest in the military or PDM and blindly make hypocritical statements to cover their own profit, a blind PTI camp that chooses to ignore the follies of their own leader in reaching this outcome, and the a camp that couldn’t care less and have decided they don’t want anything to do with Pakistan as a state other than trying to survive - they wont shed a tear if Pakistan breaks up and secretly do wish for it just so things change.

Many Years ago Americans had speculated about a Colonels Coup in Pakistan ie in 2011 post Abottabad

Is a colonel's coup possible in Pakistan?

While the American mainstream media speculate about Pakistani Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani being deposed in a coup, the reports have very little domestic corroboration, says Amir Mir

m.rediff.com

Is such a Thing possible Today to Restore Democracy

If Not then Pakistan is looking at 15 years of Continuous Military civilian Hybrid Rule

Because it looks like that the Colonels of today who will become LT Generals 15 years from Now are on the Same Page as the Corps Commanders

So the PTI's hopes of Restoring Democracy through The Youth are unlikely to be Fulfilled

 

[alphapak]

Munira Mistry has unleashed hell on the awaam, what is
this ph@inch@ds problem with the Pakistani awaam?

Over 10k people are in prison for absolutely no reason, there
are thousands of women also in prison for no reason.
Is their no one in Papa John Mafia with any shame?

 

[Al-Zakir]

Pakistani corrupt establishment is following the same strategy as their Bangladeshi counterpart. Both share the same roots in corruption, deception, and incompetence. Bd has been somewhat successful, having crushed nationalist forces with the help of their Indian masters. Pakistani establishment is slowly and gradually achieving similar goals.

Although, it seems like both countries are controlled by same corrupted self centered mafia entity.

 

[Circadian Rhythm]

Munira Mistry has unleashed hell on the awaam, what is
this ph@inch@ds problem with the Pakistani awaam?

Over 10k people are in prison for absolutely no reason, there
are thousands of women also in prison for no reason.
Is their no one in Papa John Mafia with any shame?

Militaries All Over the World believe in and Use Excessive Force to Neutralise their Opponents

They believe and Practice what US President Theodore Roosevelt said

He said And I Quote

"Grab them by their B@lls , Their Hearts and Minds would Follow "

That is why whenever Military is deployed for Law and Order , they are given immunity if Civilans are killed

 

[Jango]

But in this case the situation is much much worse - not more so for Imran Riaz’a Hajj.. whatever his intentions are his own.. but the fallout from the follies of the establishment and their corrupt buddies PDM is so that at this point the educated middle class is divided into three camps mainly; those that have a vested connection or interest in the military or PDM and blindly make hypocritical statements to cover their own profit, a blind PTI camp that chooses to ignore the follies of their own leader in reaching this outcome, and the a camp that couldn’t care less and have decided they don’t want anything to do with Pakistan as a state other than trying to survive - they wont shed a tear if Pakistan breaks up and secretly do wish for it just so things change.

I'd argue there is another one too. Which actually wants things to improve, still have their all invested in Pakistan, and deeply care about it. But they can not contribute to national discourse or anything else because of financial reasons etc.

This is most of the middle class, or what's left of it.

 

[DarthVader]

I dont see any army lap dog barking here ? Blaming PTI & IK
it must be soo hard licking boots of these pr1cks while they are on rampage.
Single solution accountability of Army everything and othe institutions will fall in its place.
Bar army for having any sort of business, take all properties from all high ranking officers or the kin who were involved in previous adventures.
Blacklist them and the kin from flying out. They are happy to kidney your kin same should apply them
Make them example.
That is the only way out.

 

[alphapak]

Pakistani corrupt establishment is following the same strategy as their Bangladeshi counterpart. Both share the same roots in corruption, deception, and incompetence. Bd has been somewhat successful, having crushed nationalist forces with the help of their Indian masters. Pakistani establishment is slowly and gradually achieving similar goals.

Although, it seems like both countries are controlled by same corrupted self centered mafia entity.

In Pakistan every Thief of Army Staff is selected by America and most Generals
are on CIA payroll. Even the ISI chief Nadeem Anjum is compromised.

 

[Dalit]

In Pakistan every Thief of Army Staff is selected by America and most Generals
are on CIA payroll. Even the ISI chief Nadeem Anjum is compromised.

These are all American lapdogs. The funny thing is that papa America is keeping such a tight leash on Pakistan. Only IMF loans are provided for services. The days of military and economic aid have long gone. Asim and his PML-N gang had to pay a visit to China in order to plead for a full-blown revival of CPEC. It is the same Americans that have been pleading Pakistan to stop cooperating with China and reveal the CPEC deal in exchange for IMF loans. Also, it is fascinating that the exact same Americans that requested the removal of Imran Khan are yet again forcing the generals to go to China. In a sense a blessing in disguise. Nevertheless, not all is well between the Americans and the generals. This is still pretty much a relationship fraught with suspicion and distrust. We see some areas of mutual benefit between the Americans and the generals. However, mostly it is the same old. A highly unreliable and toxic relationship.

 

[Dalit]

Shame on those who arrested him. This man has not killed anyone, he is only going to perform Hajj

He has done much worse. He dares to challenge the wrongdoing of the powerful.

 

[Oscar]

I'd argue there is another one too. Which actually wants things to improve, still have their all invested in Pakistan, and deeply care about it. But they can not contribute to national discourse or anything else because of financial reasons etc.

This is most of the middle class, or what's left of it.

They are more of shades of that particular group but given the opportunity - I feel many of them would bail.

Again, this could be a very biased view based on my recent experience and perhaps people venting to someone who no longer lives in PK but that was my read.

 

[PakCan]

This is what happens when you keeping sweeping the past under the carpet and don’t hold anyone accountable. You end up with a pure piece of trash general who will break every norm to keep himself in power.

I read few posts where people still try to blame khan - mandate was stolen from the people. How the f people try to blame khan is mind boggling. How about we hold those accountable who are behind this mess, Khan is refusing to sit with the corrupt and rightly so.

Pharoh claimed divinity and ended up being made an example till The judgment day. Yaya, Ayub , Zia , Mushraf and those who supported them are already 6 feet under . Bajwa is in UAE and can’t show his face in public.

Asim Munir time is coming as well, he can keep living in his own fantasy but reality will hit him in the face very soon inshAllah.

 

[PakFactor]

Well - muslims did Hudaybiya the first time they were stopped from Hajj.

But in this case the situation is much much worse - not more so for Imran Riaz’a Hajj.. whatever his intentions are his own.. but the fallout from the follies of the establishment and their corrupt buddies PDM is so that at this point the educated middle class is divided into three camps mainly; those that have a vested connection or interest in the military or PDM and blindly make hypocritical statements to cover their own profit, a blind PTI camp that chooses to ignore the follies of their own leader in reaching this outcome, and the a camp that couldn’t care less and have decided they don’t want anything to do with Pakistan as a state other than trying to survive - they wont shed a tear if Pakistan breaks up and secretly do wish for it just so things change.

At this point, based on the three points you've listed, all parties need to step back, cool down, and evaluate their situation because the word on the street I'm hearing is "emergency" in some quarters. The divisions you stated is practically what's tearing this country apart, selfish people.

 

[Oscar]

At this point, based on the three points you've listed, all parties need to step back, cool down, and evaluate their situation because the word on the street I'm hearing is "emergency" in some quarters. The divisions you stated is practically what's tearing this country apart, selfish people.

Its worse in the western part of the country from north to south but little being reported on it. The sentiment are to the point where technically the threat levels could be considered Balochistan like in all of the country

 

[PakFactor]

By denying someone Hajj, it does not make them non Muslim but certainly a very cheap shot by the establishment and everyone is bad mouthing them as usual.

About 20 years ago, my popho jee (may she rest in peace) went to perform Umrah with her husband and other relatives, likely including my uncle. At the airport, she was told her visa was invalid for Umrah due to an error, possibly a wrong start date or something else. The rest of the group had valid visas and were already wearing Ihram. Despite her insistence that it wasn't her fault and she had already made her intentions, the airport staff initially said she couldn't travel to Makkah. After she started crying and explaining her situation, the staff decided to let her board the flight to Jeddah without a proper visa, acknowledging that they didn't want to commit a sin and would overlook the issue. They warned her that they couldn't guarantee what would happen in Jeddah. Alhamdullilah, she faced no issues there and completed her Umrah with the rest of the group.

It is saddening to see we have fallen from this case to the case of Imran Riaz Khan where he had already sought permission from the Islamabad High Court and already given assurance to the authorities that he will return after performing the Hajj.

Because we had some honorable people in the past, currently, they are devoid of humanity and critical thinking. My issue with this is, what good are the court's words if they can't be reinforced? These incidents are making Pakistan practically a lawless country, the rule of guns. Who would want to invest in this sort of country?

It could come to the point that an individual might just decide to discharge a firearm to settle disputes why grind your family through three generations of court hearings? Then the issue, for example, of Sanam Javed, caught in one city, but cases registered in five different cities; how can one individual be in five different cities simultaneously? Islamic law, common law, and civil law a person can't be charged more than once for the same crime; it's called double jeopardy.

The whole country is an epilepsy patient. Sometimes when it becomes bothersome to take care of patients, they pull the plug. You know, brother @Mr X, what Islamic history teaches us: when zulm and dishonesty reach such a point it degrades society, Allah (swt) sends his servants (other nations) to punish them.

 

[agidest]

I don't know why Pakistanis find all this surprising. The entire world knew and kept saying that Pakistani Army has absolute power and run the country as 'Rulers' behind a thin facade. Back then Pakistanis thumbed their nose at such comments and responded along the lines that 'you have no idea how awesome our Army is, you're just jealous'.

And now, it's as if Pakistanis are suddenly surprised that what the rest of the world has been saying for decades now is true.