PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[Respect4Respect]

Our nuclear doctrine is if there is a threat of losing territory, we will nuke it.

Pakistan isn't some p**y country that you can just walk away with its land.

So you’ve basically admitted you value land and resources over people and that mindset is exactly why Pakistan is in this mess. Enough with the nukes talk, stop dragging them into every thread like fireworks.

 

[HAIDER]

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[Oscar]

I only agree with "change management" after the change has already occurred such as after a bloody revolution—when old guard is replaced with a new one. This never occurred in case of Imran Khan because military establishment instead sided with the old guard (PDM) as usual.

No - that is purely myopic.
Change management isnt a "after a part process" - it begins WHEN YOU START.
It is part and participle of the struggle. Other wise it is either plain IGNORANCE if you scream "Tabdeeli" as you sit on containers because sitting on the container with crowds is part of changing the mentality of people.

This is purely you being stubborn on semantics. Find me ONE source , English grammar or even from change management professionals or otherwise that agrees with your PoV.

 

[Forsvaret]

Other wise it is either plain IGNORANCE if you scream "Tabdeeli" as you sit on containers because sitting on the container with crowds is part of changing the mentality of people.

Sit-ins and protests only work in countries that are already free & democratic and thus allow change to happen in an organic way. You simply cannot change anything in a country—where even the people’s protests happen after military establishment’s will or nod.
Military establishment once used to allow Imran Khan and his PTI to protest freely as it suited their agenda. It’s no longer the case anymore as the state of Pakistan turned completely fascist under Hazrat Asim Muneer and his infamous Asim Law…

 

[Oscar]

Sit-ins and protests only works in countries that are already free & democratic and thus allow change to happen in an organic way. You simply cannot change anything in a country,
—where even the people’s protest happen after military establishment’s will or nod.

Zero relevance to the idea of "change management".
Repeating ad nauseum that change fails in Pakistan or cannot be carried out in Pakistan has zilch bearing on the science of change management or failures of application of techniques.

 

[Forsvaret]

Repeating ad nauseum that change fails in Pakistan or cannot be carried out in Pakistan has zilch bearing on the science of change management or failures of application of techniques.

Since you seem to know ALL about the 'science' of "change management"—please enlighten us from your vast knowledge what Imran Khan or ANY civilian for that matter could’ve done differently to bring about lasting change in Pakistan ?

 

[PakAl]

I appreciate the circlejerk here but it's hard for me to think past the PIA ban, the stoppage of CPEC programs and the re-settling of the TTP in the tribal areas. It's also easy for us to forget but Khan welcomed the martial law imposed by Musharraf and also relied on Faiz and Bajwa to bring PTI to the halls of power. Khan is, unfortunately, not the anti-establishment Messiah that people are making him out to be. In his confinement now, Khan is aligned with Afghanistan and protecting anti-state groups like the TTP by impeding the army from carrying out anti-terrorist IBOs.

Come on bro that's all propaganda, they used to say the same about Pmln and Nawaz Sharif, that he is close to the extremists but today Pmln the state favourite. If the army wants to they can carry out any operations without permission, noone can stop them. The fact is they want KPK/Pti to fight TTP so the Punjabi/Sindhi mafia elite can watch the show with popcorn. The resettlement of TTP is also propaganda. The militants cross international border, carry out hit and run attacks and then go back in hiding, this is happening from the past 20 years and nothing to do with PTI or Imran Khan.

 

[PakAl]

Countries work on public trust and national sentiment. Unfortunately for Pakistan, Khan's tweets influence a substantial demographic of Pakistanis. This in turn impacts national initiatives. A good example is Khan's resistance to military operations in the frontier belt, and vitriol for Asim Muneer. His tweets are amplified by RAW bots and anti-state elements so much so that you will find otherwise well-meaning individuals calling the army napak and murtad and bashing the incumbent government for being terrorists, US lackeys, zionists and all sorts of nonsense. Pakistan desperately needs to curb the menace of terrorism and without clearing out the tribal strongholds, enduring peace will always be elusive. KPs stance on these operations is well-known. They happen anyway but the local population has no trust in the state's security apparatus.

That aside what puzzles me most is Khan's alignment with Afghan interests. I don't understand what he gains from platforming nationalists like Mahmood Achakzai.

Khan is not an insignificant person and words have tremendous power. Unfortunately he wields his speech to many a detriment of the people.

Fazlur Rehman, the father of Taliban and Mahmood Achakzai were part of state backed PDM who removed Imran Khan government. This is exactly the cheap politics which is played in Pakistan, one minute they're heroes and then traitors. I understand Pakistanis fall for this but those who know "know".

 

[PakAl]

That being said you cannot have any change without a majority of the military supporting you. Or rather the Corps Commanders. The problem therein is that unlike popular views not every CC(who do not all hold equal influence or mobilized "assets") wants to actively meddle in politics or governance and instead is a case of voicing support for the 40-50% that do engage in it. In terms of either passive fiefdoms or actively advocating using military channels to go against it.

After all, IK was still a Bajwa and Faiz +1 project. Everyone else KNEW ABOUT IT but grapevine was only 2 openly objected and supposedly 1 interfered due to their noon links. When it was time for IK to go Bajwa got his cabal assembled and on board who then gave the thumbs up to the PDM movement. Was it current COAS or Bajwa or otherwise pulling every string?
That is not the modus operandi but instead is enabling connections and playbooks to let such movements go and then twisting the arms of players that can enable "ciphers" and whatnot.

For his idiocy in trying to pick a fight with everyone and compromising for his ego(and Melisandre) - IK basically sacrificed the middle class's best chance of taking Pakistan.
After all, what is the gang to do when Scrappy doo keeps going "let me at em!" ?

IK was told many times to not work with the establishment to fight Nawaz Sharif and Zardari but he didn't listen. He made many mistakes. Political immaturity is not acceptable at this level. I still believe he can make amends and come out of jail, stay low for a few years and slowly get back in the game, the current generals will be retired by then aswell. Not sure who advices IK.

 

[PakAl]

You’re misconstruing support for engineering.
Yes IK was popular - but he would not be able to break through the PML and PPP and MQM entrenchments. Establishment actively helped here to the point they prevented election agents from other parties entering voting booths.

They 100% did help Imran Khan, IK himself mentioned many times the boots are coming during darna times, Javid Hashmi and IK had fallout over this, Dr Tahir ul Qadri was also allowed to protest and given full state backing due to this. They wanted a 3rd way between PPP and Pmln, as announced by General Mushraff many times.

Both sides made many mistakes and blunders, the army has a long term policy and relationships with international powers, the political parties and leadership does not have the experience do deal with this and this is what always lead to issues. Nawaz Sharif also had major issues with the army and was removed 3x from power, Benazir the same and Zulfiqar Bhutto hanged, Mujiber Rehman created own country, and if we go before this then big question mark will rise on the army generals. I mean is Fatima Jinnah a traitor, the sister and advisor of Muhammad Ali Jinnah, we're his companions traitors and the wardi wale are patriotic, why Fatima Jinnah speeches were not allowed to be aired, why books of Muhammad Ali Jinnah speeches banned. Is Pakistan even Allama Iqbal Pakistan?

 

[VCheng]

regime fan girls think bowing down giving up everything is mending relationships!

As if IK's bone-headedness helped Pakistan's relationships any better.

Only a geopolitical genius could time an official visit to Putin so perfectly. And promise to commit suicide over going to the IMF. That worked out great, didn't it?

Truth be told, he did make a great driver for a visiting dignitary, once.

An excellent job that must be rewarded with a Nobel Peace Prize and Chancellorship of Oxford. Immediately!

 

[VCheng]

If I see a Man who is walking the path right of course I will associate him to past historical human figures in Islamic faith

Does IK's walking the path "right" including lying about his own daughter's paternity good enough to associate him with past historical figures in the Islamic faith?

That alone speaks volumes about his absolute lack of character.

 

[Hussain]

Does IK's walking the path "right" including lying about his own daughter's paternity good enough to associate him with past historical figures in the Islamic faith?

That alone speaks volumes about his absolute lack of character.

some people say, it wasnt his fault, kay ghubarra phatgaya. Blame the ghubara maker....

 

[VCheng]

some people say, it wasnt his fault, kay ghubarra phatgaya. Blame the ghubara maker....

A man so blinded by the love of power that he denies his own flesh and blood is no man at all.

Blaming anything else utterly irrelevant.

 

[313Ghazi]

A man so blinded by the love of power that he denies his own flesh and blood is no man at all.

Blaming anything else utterly irrelevant.

Have you seen the results of the paternity test yourself?