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[VCheng]

Pakistan's actual issues are much more basic. How much of the country can even write their name in Urdu or English? The masses live in filthy conditions and have little or no education. Neither is the elite interested in fixing that.

Reason is simple. If every household in Pakistan became literate and healthy, then how will the current elites hold the country?

Reason its so easy for army to control Pakistan is because as an institution, its got the resources and enough intelligent people to run circles around everybody else. Same goes for many of our politicians, zamindaars, judges etc.

With the above, Sir, I can tell you that we have the same thinking. 100%.

The only place we differ is that IK is not actually anti-establishment. He loved the establishment when it made him, and he hates it now only because he fell out of disfavor with them because of his own shenanigans, and ended up in jail. That makes him just another self-serving power-hungry ego.

 

[VCheng]

In short, there is no overarching 'intelligence' in Pakistan to try to keep the poor, poor and the illiterate, illiterate. One may start looking the overpopulation to try to find where the problems are coming from.

Yes, but there is a vested interest in not letting any other institution work properly for fear of allowing a legal competitor for their unchecked illegal authority.

A byproduct of that approach, long term, is that there is therefore no institution left to do the things that lay the foundations of social justice and human development. The military can never do justice to such responsibilities, ever.

That is the bitter truth.

That is why I always say the military deserve our respect when they do their duty, and our derision when they do illegal acts without any accountability.

That is why not having a powerful military is never a choice given Pakistan's neighborhood. Reforming the military step by step is the only path forward possible for Pakistan at this late stage of its evolution into a fossilized security state.

 

[Cipher212]

I think our main issue is not illiteracy. We as a nation always look for a magic solution. Be it army be it establishment be it beaurucracy be it politicians we always want someone else to fix it for us. We don't take responsibility for our very small and local issues. Local healthcare education policing waste disposal etc everything is left for someone else to deal with. And it translates broadly into our national issues on the national level.
When we would stop looking at others and would practically try to solve our small issues ourselves starting at the local mohalla or village level then you would see the change you want to see.
Otherwise you can have a whole nation of scholars and accomplish nothing.

All due respect you may not see it as a problem because you can read and write at least 2 languages just fine. Maybe you can speak a 3rd provincial language like Punjabi and Sindhi too.

Think about your life if you couldn't. That is the majority of Pakistan. That is your driver, maali, kaam wali, gutter cleaners. I'm not saying that illiteracy stops one from having intelligence or common sense but when you combine all these factors. No good public education, filthy streets, dirty water, dirty air, not enough parks. What kind of population are you left with.

 

[Cipher212]

More Urban Myths.
Maybe, in some villages of Sindh and Punjab, the Jageerdars try to keep 'the masses' illiterate but I don't think 'the elite' works consciously to have lots of poor, angry people in their vicinity.
And never 'every household' gets rich. Plenty of poverty in America too but for that 'the elite' have figured out social safety networks--if nothing else then to keep peace.
In short, there is no overarching 'intelligence' in Pakistan to try to keep the poor, poor and the illiterate, illiterate. One may start looking the overpopulation to try to find where the problems are coming from.

It's not some hidden conspiracy designed by elites. It is just general indifference. Spending budget on improving public education is not easy to campaign on. Easier to import police bikes from abroad and have them drive around for a few years before they go to the junkyard. Visual and flashy projects sell.

 

[gamaji]

Please lay out exactly what you think Pakistan should have done after India repealed Article 370.

Please explain how we would do this "gradual hot war" against a much larger country which is also nuclear armed and has much more oil and cash reserve. Do also tell me how we would pay for such a conflict?

Or just admit that you're just throwing out whatever comes to your mind as long as it's critical of Khan

Do you think turning things hot at the disputed LOC to make Indians cry and pay the price is difficult. States find out a thousand ways to liberate their territories if the leadership is visionary, determined, and courageous especially when offered such a solid justification as on 5 Aug 2019.

Of course, cowards can only resort to merely demonstrating a protest of silence for 5 minutes every Friday (and that too was done just on one Friday) while telling the nation 'to kia India se jang kar loon?'.

The first challenge badly exposes the ugly reality of a brainless donkey disguised as a lion and installed on a nation as a king.

 

[Cipher212]

Do you think turning things hot at the disputed LOC to make Indians cry and pay the price is difficult. States find out a thousand ways to liberate their territories if the leadership is visionary, determined, and courageous especially when offered such a solid justification as on 5 Aug 2019.

Of course, cowards can only resort to merely demonstrating a protest of silence for 5 minutes every Friday (and that too was done just on one Friday) while telling the nation 'to kia India se jang kar loon?'.

The first challenge badly exposes the ugly reality of a brainless donkey disguised as a lion and installed on a nation as a king.

I genuinely pity you if this is your level of understanding. Only a fool underestimates his enemy. You seem to be living in some La La land where Pakistan can just get up and pick a fight with India over Article 370.

Turning LoC hot? Really? That is how you would get India to reinstate Article 370? What makes you think they wouldn't just ignore your demand and shoot back lol.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

So much siasi tamasha by PTI Shaikh Chillis for no reason.

Imran Khan ‘well but under mental torture’, says Uzma Khan

Guys, you can now go back to watching videos of Cartoon-e-Azam Imran Khan walking in slow motion.

 

[MasterChief]

why did you delay e-voting?!

your party had the most powerful government

if you say, you had no power to begin with, then, why did IK remained as PM until he was ousted

People who talk about the law and human rights suddenly belong to a specific party? What do you mean "your party"? I have no party. The fact that you put people who talk about following the law and respecting human rights in a single party should tell you what that means.

Like I said I have no party ; we are happy that govt employees in uniform are doing their jobs that they are paid for and they volunteered for. Sticking their heads in every other institution of the country with no expertise in these matters is not welcome and should be dealt with according to the law. Forcing lifelong immunity should tell you where they stand unless your intelligence cannot comprehend it still?

 

[MasterChief]

since he done the time he should be let go. and in the special circomstances and national interest.

see Indians , Afghans, Taliban, TTP and BLA have all joined and benefiting from the PTI hatred and hostilities towards state institutions of Pakistan.

we need to divide our enemies not unite them. American apporach of hammering every opposition and criticism is not helping.
our state must really raise its game and its conduct
we got PTI leaders/ reps like Adil Raja and Imran's sister giving interviews to Indian channels which is unjustified. why not go to Turkyia or Al jazeera or some Western channel .

while we are typing here.. TTP is using the chaos in KP to its advantage. its insane that our citizens are giving them refuge.

So what if Imrans sister is giving interviews. Anyone can give interviews to whoever they want and appear on channels anywhere just like Musharraf, Nawaz Sharif, Bhutto and many others.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Update:

Shackles of Adiala
05 August 2023 - 02 December 2025
Jail Baro Tehrik Zindabad

Day 850​

 

[Forsvaret]

The military is the only thing keeping this rabble together.

Under their boot by force — that’s no organic way of keeping things "together".

 

[Forsvaret]

You should focus your attention on the governance of KPK instead.

And your military establishment should be focusing on the country’s borders instead of ruling the country with brute force!

 

[gamaji]

I genuinely pity you if this is your level of understanding. Only a fool underestimates his enemy. You seem to be living in some La La land where Pakistan can just get up and pick a fight with India over Article 370.

So, that's what your genius leader did, i.e. cowardly hide and spend time with ladies.

Turning LoC hot? Really? That is how you would get India to reinstate Article 370? What makes you think they wouldn't just ignore your demand and shoot back lol.

Raising the temperature is not meant for restoring the article 370 or status quo. Why would one do that?

The world comes in only when you show your spine. A fine and deadly mix of offensive diplomacy and use of force on the ground would ultimately involve the world powers talking about how to resolve the dispute. At least the dispute would have brought to the fore and ultimately resolved.

Obviously it's a higher level action line. When they strategize it then they set the nitty gritty details while keeping other factors too in the calculations.

I hope you have a functional brain to understand this.

 

[Forsvaret]

What the cultits fail to realize is that getting rid of the military is never a realistic option.

While military establishment has no issues whatsoever at getting rid of all the country’s independent institutions by placing their under the thickness of their boots!

 

[Forsvaret]

Reforming it as part of a comprehensive set of reforms is the way that can be achieved step by step, and never in a rush.

And WHO exactly is going to reform the military establishment? Are any civilians even allowed to that?