PTI News, Updates and Discussion

[El Sidd]

That's what the parliament is for.. and courts keep an eye on the parliament.. and then awam assesses the performance of the parliament every 5 years. Parliamentary system main aql e kul koi ho hi nahi sakta. Baqi aap ki marzi jis KO jo chahay samjhain, sanu ki!

VONC kisi bagheeche me nahi hua. parliament me hua. it's a true representation of awaam and their nas

 

[PakSword]

VONC kisi bagheeche me nahi hua. parliament me hua. it's a true representation of awaam and their nas

Tou theek hogaya.. uss ke baad Sahi walay election hojanay detay.

 

[PakAl]

Even a smart person like you give too much credit to an intellectual midget like Imran Khan.
Everything about Imran boils down to a very STUPID guy propped up by some elements of the Establishment of Pakistan and that project failed. I don't know why you can't see that Imran and Benazir Bhutto were compatriots in Oxford University: She rose to become a leader of the Oxford Student Union while Immy the Dimmy got to Oxford on some 'sports quota' and didn't distinguish in anything.
A little reading on the 'history' of the Messiah Khan might help the fanbois, if there ears even open??

I was talking about Shahid Kaqaan Abbasi and not Imran Khan.
Anyways the issue is since Pakistan creation nearly every Pakistan civilian leader were not good enough, from Liaqat Ali Khan (failed military coup, killed), Huseyn Suhrawardy (jailed), Iskander Mirza (exiled), Fatima Jinnah (declared traitor), Bhutto (military coup, hanged), Benazir (exiled), Nawaz (military coup, exiled) and now Imran Khan (jailed). We always had major issues between military and civilian politicians, and issues between civilian leadership which lead to hatred and division.

Imran Khan vision for Pakistan is what gets him alot of support and other support comes from his fans. He talked about reforms, independent institutions, devolvement of power, local governments, police reforms, health reforms, help for the poor and needy, talked about helping youth and students, women. This is what gives him the big support. Regarding his personality the normal people do not know, they never met him personally or spent time with him but we know all political leadership thinks of themselves to be from a different class, the elite class. He is not different. But everyone has ego in Pakistan.

What is the solution then? Will people vote for reasonably politician/technocrat like Shahid Kaqaan Abbasi?

 

[PakAl]

She didn't promise jack $hit and did even far worse, only empty hollow roti kapra makan BS that her uber corrupt tyrant father cooked up and she followed in her father's footsteps. Destroyed institutions like PIA with jiayla bharti, was first hand witness to village idiots from interior Sindh made officers in PIA. She and her husband engaged in full blown corruption and were duly dismissed.

That's not what millions of her followers thought. She convinced them. She was Mother Pakistan.

 

[ghazi52]

The need for measured discourse​

Civil discourse​

Editorial
December 8, 2025



IN politics, the importance of temperate language, even in criticism, cannot be overstated. Unfortunately, we have seen our politicians — and now even security circles — indulge in the very opposite. While in this day and age of short tempers and deep polarisation, no one expects criticism or verbal exchanges to be polite, the parameters of incivility should not be stretched to include the harshest of invectives.

In this context, the ISPR presser on Friday was disappointing. The ISPR chief’s strong remarks targeting the PTI and its founder Imran Khan — without naming him — reflected the deep mistrust that exists between the military and the main opposition party, but the words used to label the former prime minister were unusually harsh. Mr Khan was dubbed ‘mentally ill’ and a ‘security risk’, and his party accused of colluding with India and the TTP. The civilian rulers appeared to have fallen in line, with the information minister endorsing “every word”, while the defence minister, too, defended the presser.

Targeting the opposition — something which should be exclusively between politicians without the military involving itself — has a long history in the country, as elsewhere. But in Pakistan, besides the usual criticism of political rivals, politicians, such as Fatima Jinnah during the Ayub era, have had their patriotic credentials questioned as well by military strongmen — who have also politically rehabilitated the same politicians they have had a hand in removing from power.

Politicians, too, have not missed any opportunity to throw mud at each other. A slew of them from Ghaffar Khan and Wali Khan to Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif have been labelled corrupt or anti-state. Mr Khan himself, the target of Friday’s presser, has arguably taken coarse language against opponents — the military included — to new heights.

But this cycle of toxicity must end. In particular, those who represent national institutions and are public office-holders should be measured in their words and keep within their constitutional bounds to secure the country from the many challenges it faces — including terrorism and border hostilities. In such a situation, there is a dire need to close ranks and stop labelling opponents as ‘enemies of the state’.

For all its missteps and internal turmoil, the PTI continues to enjoy significant popular support, and criticism of it should not go so far as to equate it with anti-state inclinations.

 

[PakAl]

Mere Bhai! And this is addressed not only to you but to all other Imran supporters here: How many times I have said that Imran is a toxic personalitily like Nawaz and Altaf? I generally don't condemn people like that. I have been here for along time and only when I come to such drastic conclusions then I say such drastic things.
I ABSOLUTELY don't see any redeeming qualities from the likes of Imran, Nawaz and Altaf Hussein. And I have been consistent on my views.

I understand your point, even Imran Khan mentioned it himself that Bajwa told him why do you keep calling Fazlur Rehman as Diesel, IK then continued to call him Diesel especially as PM. 200 MNAs MPAs left PTI, his close friend Jahangir Tareen and Aleem Khan left too, Pervez Kattak, Javid Hashmi, some recent reports are saying Gandapur is also not happy, I didnt see him at Peshawar Jalsa. Not everyone likes political of confrontation, its so toxic. Zardari is the clever one i think, he does everything behind the scenes and quietly. Recent AJK elections we had big fights in PPP internally, Zardari sorted it out without anyone knowing about it, some powerful people are not happy but he will somehow convince them.

Anyways we all knew IK will not get on with the opposition, especially Altaf Hussain, Asif Zardari, Nawaz Shabaz and Fazlur Rehman but he was still supported to be PM by the powerful ones. Toxic politics need to get rid ridden off in Pakistan.

 

[ghazi52]

Amid criticism over delay in opposition leader’s appointment, NA Secretariat seeks details of cases registered against PTI’s Omar Ayub​

Amir Wasim
December 8, 2025

Amid mounting criticism over the delay in the opposition leader’s appointment, the National Assembly (NA) Secretariat has sent a letter to PTI’s Chief Whip Malik Aamir Dogar and sought details about the status of cases registered against party leader Omar Ayub.

Two key parliamentary offices, the leader of the opposition in the NA and the leader of the opposition in the Senate, have been lying vacant since August after the disqualification of PTI’s Ayub and Shibli Faraz by the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) in connection with their conviction in the May 9 cases.

The PTI has nominated Pashtunkhwa Milli Awami Party (PkMAP) chief Mehmood Khan Achakzai and Majlis Wahdat-i-Muslimeen (MWM) leader Allama Raja Nasir Abbas for the opposition leader slots in the NA and Senate, respectively. However, they have not yet been notified.

In a statement issued today, a spokesperson for the NA Secretariat said that in the letter, the chief whip of the opposition had been asked to provide a written clarification regarding the status of the cases of Ayub and “whether they are pending in any court or not”.

According to the spokesperson, the letter sought the latest updates on the court proceedings against Ayub.

The spokesperson further said that the opposition had informed the NA Secretariat earlier that Ayub’s cases were not pending, but no written confirmation was submitted.

According to the spokesperson, written information is essential to complete the process of nominating the opposition leader.

 

[Meengla]

Most importantly, the entire “IK is independent and visionary” narrative collapses when you remember how he came into power. He was manufactured, supported, protected and presented as a messiah by the same system his fans now blame. The project collapsed not because of conspiracy but because the product was weak.

Again, a great post, especially the quoted part!

VONC kisi bagheeche me nahi hua. parliament me hua. it's a true representation of awaam and their nas

You speak too much truth. The Cultists will ignore any violation their Messiah Khan did or will do.

Imran Khan vision for Pakistan is what gets him alot of support and other support comes from his fans. He talked about reforms, independent institutions, devolvement of power, local governments, police reforms, health reforms, help for the poor and needy, talked about helping youth and students, women. This is what gives him the big support.

Vision? By surrounding himself with turncoat, compromised people? By sticking with a loser like Buzdar? By witchhunting his opponents? By using the ISI to coerce his 'allies' in the Parliament? By leaning on his Witch Wife for very important decisions?
BTW, he became 'popular' because he was allowed ONE FULL YEAR to bark against America otherwise he knew he would lose any Early Elections by 2022 and that's why he didn't call early elections. And Popularity comes and goes. But a convicted criminal stays where he stays: In a prison cell.

 

[VCheng]

He was manufactured, supported, protected and presented as a messiah by the same system his fans now blame.

Anyone who chooses to not accept this undeniable reality about IK is merely delusional, and ultimately will fade away into irrelevance.

 

[Meengla]

Anyone who chooses to not accept this undeniable reality about IK is merely delusional, and ultimately will fade away into irrelevance.

The Cultists' history starts from the 2024 elections and the so-called rigging. Everything before that done for Imran, by Imran in the previous 10+ years are irrelevant. Tells you how 'objective' they are.

 

[VCheng]

The Cultists' history starts from the 2024 elections and the so-called rigging. Everything before that done for Imran, by Imran in the previous 10+ years are irrelevant. Tells you how 'objective' they are.

Just like Pakistan's history started with the arrival of Muhammad Bin Qasim, if one goes by our textbooks.

 

[Meengla]

Just like Pakistan's history started with the arrival of Muhammad Bin Qasim, if one goes by our textbooks.

History is of course a continuum; if we really think about it, we can go all the way back to the Big Bang creation of the universe.
Relevant to this thread, of course, is that the Imran Cultists are hellbent on ignoring whatever Imran did or was done for Imran before the 2024 elections and have their discourse reduced to Imran being 'the most popular leader', a 'visionary' blah blah. I see not evidence for such accolades--on the contrary. Imran ain't that popular. The recent By Elections where Umer Ayub lost in his home constituency in the K-P province is an indicator: He lost by 40,000+ votes and that is not usually the pattern of 'rigging'.

 

[F.O.X]

The PTI Project: Rise, Fall, and Why Many Supporters Still Refuse to Accept Reality


People need to understand that PTI did not rise out of some magical public wave. It was a carefully constructed project that started taking shape around 2011 and reached its peak in 2018. The idea that Imran Khan came to power only because of his popularity is completely false. Yes he had some public support, but the real power behind him was the same establishment that has been engineering governments in Pakistan for decades.

The first clear sign was the 2011 Lahore jalsa. Media gave him unlimited coverage in the months leading up to it. Channels were instructed to air every little statement he made. Senior journalists later admitted that orders came from higher up to "promote Khan at all costs". This was around the same time when the establishment had fallen out with PPP and was already planning how to counter PMLN in Punjab.

In 2013, during the elections, everyone remembers the role of certain Returning Officers who were later celebrated on TV. That was also the first time PTI insiders started openly admitting that they were getting help. People like Fauzia Kasuri and Justice Wajihuddin repeatedly said that internal elections of PTI were rigged and manipulated from inside. This was the first internal red flag.

By 2014, the project went public with the famous Dharna. Imran Khan and Tahir ul Qadri marched into Islamabad on the exact same day. That timing was not a coincidence. It was designed to paralize the PMLN government. The sit in lasted months and multiple reports later revealed that the "third umpire" narrative was real. In August 2014, Javed Hashmi openly said that PTI was being pushed to topple the government. His statements matched what later came out from multiple journalists and insiders.

The real engineering came before the 2018 election. Everyone knows about the "electable project". Dozens of electables from PPP and PMLN were forced or convinced to join PTI. This is documented. Names like Firdous Ashiq Awan, Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Babar Awan, Ghulam Sarwar, Aleem Khan, Jahangir Tareen. Almost all of them were part of the establishment approved group. This was also the era when media houses were forced to downplay Nawaz Sharif. His famous "mujhe kyun nikala" speeches were cut short or not aired. Channels were fined. Journalists were abducted or silenced. All of this created a clean runway for Imran Khan before the 2018 elections.

In July 2018, the results were delayed for hours due to the RTS system "crashing". Many candidates reported they were winning by thousands and then lost by morning. Even ECP officials later admitted mismanagement. The Senate elections, the presidential election, the confidence votes, everything showed that PTI was working with institutional blessings.

But the project started breaking in late 2021. The economy was collapsing. Inflation had hit its highest point. The establishment was unhappy with PTI's governance. The breaking point was the DG ISI appointment issue in October 2021. From that moment, the marriage ended. By early 2022, the establishment shifted its support away from PTI. The no confidence vote succeeded and PTI lost power. This was the moment when many people found out the truth. PTI had no real parliamentary strength. Without the establishment they couldnt even hold their MNAs together.

What we see today is a result of denial. PTI supporters cannot accept that their entire movement was a manufactured project. They say "the people will bring Imran back". But if the people had the power to bring him, then how did he lose power overnight in 2022. How did his entire party collapse after May 9. How did almost every senior leader run away, quit politics or form their own party. How did his social media army suddently go silent after the crackdown.

The truth is simple. PTI as a project was created, managed and ended by the same people. The public support existed but it was not enough to form a government on its own. The supporters today still think he is some sort of misunderstood hero. They refuse to accept that he was used and then dropped just like many before him.

And the most painful part is that Pakistan wasted almost a decade on this experiment. The country is still recovering from the mess. But unless people accept what happened, they will keep supporting myths instead of facing reality.

 

[Meengla]

But the project started breaking in late 2021. The economy was collapsing. Inflation had hit its highest point. The establishment was unhappy with PTI's governance. The breaking point was the DG ISI appointment issue in October 2021. From that moment, the marriage ended. By early 2022, the establishment shifted its support away from PTI. The no confidence vote succeeded and PTI lost power. This was the moment when many people found out the truth. PTI had no real parliamentary strength. Without the establishment they couldnt even hold their MNAs together.

Yes, I remember Dawn.com starting to report 'rumors' about a rift between Imran and the Establishment and, as before, this was yet another civilian vs military confrontation but Imran's head got too big. He was always an arrogant person anyway.

What we see today is a result of denial. PTI supporters cannot accept that their entire movement was a manufactured project. They say "the people will bring Imran back". But if the people had the power to bring him, then how did he lose power overnight in 2022. How did his entire party collapse after May 9. How did almost every senior leader run away, quit politics or form their own party. How did his social media army suddently go silent after the crackdown.

Never before in Pakistan's history a person who enjoyed so much support from a wide swathe of Pakistan lost so much, in such a short time. His decisions starting late 2021 and continues to this day are mind bogglingly stupid. Just a few days ago he called even his own loyal party members 'traitors' for merely attending a routine workshop. And analysts are saying that privately his party members are tired of Imran's arrogant and stupid decisions which is costing PTI a lot.
And then some still think here that Imran is capable of leading a complex nation of 250 million like Pakistan?!!

 

[VCheng]

History is of course a continuum; if we really think about it, we can go all the way back to the Big Bang creation of the universe.
Relevant to this thread, of course, is that the Imran Cultists are hellbent on ignoring whatever Imran did or was done for Imran before the 2024 elections and have their discourse reduced to Imran being 'the most popular leader', a 'visionary' blah blah. I see not evidence for such accolades--on the contrary. Imran ain't that popular. The recent By Elections where Umer Ayub lost in his home constituency in the K-P province is an indicator: He lost by 40,000+ votes and that is not usually the pattern of 'rigging'.

History can never be changed, but only learnt from.

Those who pick and choose certain historical events and ignore others do so only because they are either pushing a nefarious agenda, or they are simply too immature to take a proper broad view.