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Do you think PTI has a future without Imran Khan?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 19.6%
  • No

    Votes: 80 71.4%
  • Only if senior leadership is released

    Votes: 10 8.9%

  • Total voters
    112
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What do you think relevance looks like? Do you consider PMLN/PPP has relevance? and PTI should seek that type?

This is not for me to decide, but at least PMLN is currently just as relevant today as much as PTI was yesterday. It is all about who gets to color one side of the same page that has advanced calculus on the other side., for whatever period the headmaster determines.
 
And, as the Prime Minister of Pakistan, his leadership was detrimental to the State leading to the annexation of Kashmir,
Woah this is a new one.

I will commend you, you brought some original BS to the table. Nice.
Personally, I think he is a racist pig who believes in Afghan racial supremacy and he doesnt like the idea of Pakistan being stronger than Afghanistan. That's just my personal opinion. Allah knows best.

Holy moly...now we have racism added to the long list as well.

I think by next week we'll have him as an Ahmedi too?
 
This is not for me to decide, but at least PMLN is currently just as relevant today as much as PTI was yesterday. It is all about who gets to color one side of the same page that has advanced calculus on the other side., for whatever period the headmaster determines.
I think if PTI wants that path, they can do that like JUI, JI, MQM, PPP and PMLN. Now, they don't want it, so it is their choice.
 
I think if PTI wants that path, they can do that like JUI, JI, MQM, PPP and PMLN. Now, they don't want it, so it is their choice.

Of course. One must respect their right to formulate whatever political strategy they wish to follow, whether one agrees with it or not.
 
Of course. One must respect their right to formulate whatever political strategy they wish to follow, whether one agrees with it or not.

A credible journalist gave this account recently: When Imran was the PM of Pakistan, he was in negotiation with the Opposition to lower the political temp in Pakistan; I think the message was sent to Rana Sanahulla through one of the few saner brains in Imran's circle: Mr. Shah Mehmood Quraishi. After some back and forth, Mr. Quraishi told someone 'The Pagal (lunatic) is not agreeing to it', calling Imran a 'Pagal'. Note that Imran was the PM of Pakistan then and the military was behind him until well into 2021. But he was so full of hubris that he was not willing to give an inch to political dialogues even then--a sitting PM of Pakistan. Why? Because the military, especially the ISI, was doing all the 'politics' for him as Imran would show up at 10 AM in a helicopter and leave at 4 PM.
This was the 'drive', the intellectual caliber, and the magnanimity of Imran as the sitting PM of Pakistan! And there are many from his former circle who have not yet spoken the true working of the Cult called PTI.
In past, Pakistan had stupid and/or arrogant top leaders but never as bad a combination as Imran was!
 
A credible journalist gave this account recently: When Imran was the PM of Pakistan, he was in negotiation with the Opposition to lower the political temp in Pakistan; I think the message was sent to Rana Sanahulla through one of the few saner brains in Imran's circle: Mr. Shah Mehmood Quraishi. After some back and forth, Mr. Quraishi told someone 'The Pagal (lunatic) is not agreeing to it', calling Imran a 'Pagal'. Note that Imran was the PM of Pakistan then and the military was behind him until well into 2021. But he was so full of hubris that he was not willing to give an inch to political dialogues even then--a sitting PM of Pakistan. Why? Because the military, especially the ISI, was doing all the 'politics' for him as Imran would show up at 10 AM in a helicopter and leave at 4 PM.
This was the 'drive', the intellectual caliber, and the magnanimity of Imran as the sitting PM of Pakistan! And there are many from his former circle who have not yet spoken the true working of the Cult called PTI.
In past, Pakistan had stupid and/or arrogant top leaders but never as bad a combination as Imran was!

Whatever was in the past now surely belongs there, whether good or bad.

What matters now is where does IK, and PTI, and the followers, go from here onwards. That is the choice each one of them must make, taking into account what the situation is now, not what it used to be, or what they would wish it to be, and all the pros and cons that come with their decisions.
 
Well, I remain convinced that reality conquers everything, and that makes speaking the truth…
WHO decides exactly that the reality is only what exists in YOUR head and only what YOU say is the truth? 🙄
 
Interesting take:




Political analysts say Imran Khan’s situation was quite different from that faced by former prime ministers Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif during their respective periods of imprisonment.

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Analysts argue that no such international effort has emerged in Imran Khan’s case, mainly because he allegedly failed to maintain cordial relations, even with states traditionally seen as friends of Pakistan.
 
Interesting take:




Political analysts say Imran Khan’s situation was quite different from that faced by former prime ministers Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif during their respective periods of imprisonment.

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Analysts argue that no such international effort has emerged in Imran Khan’s case, mainly because he allegedly failed to maintain cordial relations, even with states traditionally seen as friends of Pakistan.

Your post should be 'Pinned' or 'Bookmarked' for its far reaching consequences for Pakistan. Alas, some here, though hopefully in decreasing numbers, fail to see a 10AM-4PM scheduling Prime Minister of Pakistan into his 3rd marriage, and that too with a witch-craft practicing mom of 4 kids was ruining some of the most vital of Pakistan's foreign relations. But then their Messiah Khan was born with a golden spoon and much of his existing supporters in the Western blogspace are also the counterparts of golden spooned one: The Reza Shah Pelahavi Brigade of Pakistan!!! They couldn't care less what more would befall the already befallen poor of Pakistan.
 
Your post should be 'Pinned' or 'Bookmarked' for its far reaching consequences for Pakistan. Alas, some here, though hopefully in decreasing numbers, fail to see a 10AM-4PM scheduling Prime Minister of Pakistan into his 3rd marriage, and that too with a witch-craft practicing mom of 4 kids was ruining some of the most vital of Pakistan's foreign relations. But then their Messiah Khan was born with a golden spoon and much of his existing supporters in the Western blogspace are also the counterparts of golden spooned one: The Reza Shah Pelahavi Brigade of Pakistan!!! They couldn't care less what more would befall the already befallen poor of Pakistan.
Bhutto had similar cultist following regardless due to the "aura" he carried.
But as is true IK simply made little friends. Which would seem ironic but if you into accounts of how he raised for SKMH(which is commendable and we should all applaud what it achieves) there are times he needed introductions and smoothing out during his interactions.
Keep in mind, Bhutto was a politician and if you go into his earliest history it has him brown nosing his way into power in ways you will never see IK(because he doesn't have the proper bone for it)do. Doesnt mean IK didnt do some brown nosing where as he learnt the ropes but that is "vision" had serious stage issues.

Even if we leave Melisandre aside - the biggest issue is IK assuming his "battle" is over once he gets the seat when infact he had just progressed from domestic to international cricket and had the entire league to play before once could accept him having "worth" on the international stage.
His innate need to talk from the pulpit using the same messaging he used on the campaign trail was another sign of immaturity for the seat. By contrast Bhutto had true exposure to international relationships while sucking on Ayub's tits.
IK's exposure remained being the quiet guest or schmoozing with western aristocracy during champagne hours. That "I am a vision" works only if you are willing to hear the other person out even if you disagree. Most of IK's subordinates will tell you he listen until he doesn't like something and then he could not care less for your argument or in his best politician self will hear you and do something opposite regardless.

Ok for subordinates , not for world leaders and diplomacy.

Regardless, his age isnt the only thing against him because it is driving that ego - at this time his mrs needs to be pushed out of the narrative permanently and his sisters/sons need to come in - keep the pressure on the current incumbent but also start a "meet me halfway" campaign with them.

I feel there is still a large section of the military that prefers PTI sans IK and this is a good opportunity to make IK understand that. As age hits, people do get more focused and unless you go through a Mahatir level humbling which IK is AND also Mahatir level humility which IK isnt - eventually you will tire your own major supporters but will keep your core "jiyalas".

After all, PPP has Sindh... PTI can have KP.. PML(N) Punjab.. and this country can be ruled by those that want to rule for a 1000 years...

Seems to be working out for them as Yahya made that statement, the only mistake being he assumed taking Mujib out of the picture completely and military force to quell dissent would work.

Now there isnt an India next to KP but there is an Afghanistan... not the same result perhaps but a constant headache that keeps Pakistani economy in tatters and constant state stability issue.

It is best to find some sort of "handle the hot potato" solution - and it lies with FM making an overture to IK, but not before some "solution" is found for the mistress at Bani Gala.
 
After all, PPP has Sindh... PTI can have KP.. PML(N) Punjab.. and this country can be ruled by those that want to rule for a 1000 years.

The issues of Pakistan are of 'governance'.
As to the rest of your post, TBH, I barely skimmed that but that was mostly because I was broadly in agreement. Where my disagreement with potentially you and others is: Imran's personality flaws. I have come to conclude that the guy is beyond redemption just like Altaf Hussein and Nawaz Sharif were. I don't see any redeeming qualities in those three leaders and all of them were/are hugely popular in their zeniths. But I see them as psychopaths and all being sidelined.
 
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