Russia-Ukraine War - News, Discussions & Updates

[MH.Yang]

Well, there are only 2 kinds of victories, Tactical and Strategical, Russia is never going to win this war strategically, because to do that, they will need Ukraine completely gone, chance of them cutting off Ukrainian coast is already low enough, it would have taken them about 800 years to roll up every inch of Ukraine. So if they don't need for a tactical victory, what are they chasing?

NATO is not going to collapse because of Ukraine; I mean NATO didn't even send 1/10 of the stuff they spend in Afghanistan (that's 200 billion a year by the way) in Ukraine which should have been a shame to begin with, and there are nothing Russia can get for Ukraine collapse unless they can occupy it, again, as previously said it's not going to happen.

This is different than when China split with USSR, China was not directly engaging in Vietnam, Russia is physically invading Ukraine, you have the luxury to sit across the border and watch the Vietnamese fighting the American, Russia don't have that luxury as they themselves are fighting the Ukrainian. Again, the strategic goal are different.

Russia does not need NATO to collapse, only to force the US to abandon Ukraine. He doesn't need to occupy Ukraine either, he just needs to inflict major damage on it, which Ukrainian politicians will inevitably use in the future to foment populist attacks on his political opponents, as is the case with the current situation in Georgia. Now that the Ukrainians have taken such a poison as populism, it will be hard to spit it out. They are bound to go crazy and blame all foreign powers, not just Russia, for any difficulties. The Chinese government is doing the right thing by staying as far away as possible from the affairs of populist countries like a rabid dog with rabies. Whether you are genuinely trying to help them or not, if you get involved in their internal affairs, they will end up hating you. It can never be the populists who are at fault, only the foreigners. The Peron government in Argentina and the Chavez government in Venezuela are examples.

 

[KingQamaR]

the russians are caught in underwear down. they focus on terror bombings. Ukraine focus on russian military capacity. the drones have destroyed airbases, strategic bombers, aircraft, bridges, railroads deep insde Russia with a single strike.

you forgot to mention that Ukraine has blown several bridges in Russia and one passenger train, civilian killed. injured children in critical condition

 

[Cash gk]

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[j_hungary]

Russia does not need NATO to collapse, only to force the US to abandon Ukraine. He doesn't need to occupy Ukraine either, he just needs to inflict major damage on it, which Ukrainian politicians will inevitably use in the future to foment populist attacks on his political opponents, as is the case with the current situation in Georgia. Now that the Ukrainians have taken such a poison as populism, it will be hard to spit it out. They are bound to go crazy and blame all foreign powers, not just Russia, for any difficulties. The Chinese government is doing the right thing by staying as far away as possible from the affairs of populist countries like a rabid dog with rabies. Whether you are genuinely trying to help them or not, if you get involved in their internal affairs, they will end up hating you. It can never be the populists who are at fault, only the foreigners. The Peron government in Argentina and the Chavez government in Venezuela are examples.

The thing is, they won't and this war make sure everything related to Russia is basically all but wipe out from Ukraine, there are no way Ukrainian politician regardless of where they were from or which way they stand will support Russia in any sense, I travelled to Kharkiv many, many time during my 4 trip to Ukraine, and Kharkiv is one of the most die hard bastion of Russian support in Ukraine before this war since they are really close (You can drive from Kharkiv town center to Russian border in less than an hour) and even Kharkiv is ridding Russian influence themselves.

On the other hand, whether or not US abandon Ukraine is not an issue here, I don't understand why people still think if US stopped supporting Ukraine and the war will ends in Russian favor, well, US stopped supporting Ukraine over a year ago when the last Ukrainian package passed in April 2024, EU overtook aid of Ukraine and donate more than the US since last year. The war is not going to end in Russian favor unless Russia can overrun the entire country, otherwise what good does it do if Russia taken 20% of Ukraine (If they had completely taken Donbas) and completely loses the other 80%, all done with Hundred of Thousand Russian dead and wounded and an economy in ruin, you need to have something to show in exchange of all that, and 20% of Ukraine is not going to be enough.

 

[KingQamaR]

I do not doubt that, just comparing the intensity of the two conflicts.

The longer this conflict in continental Europe continues, the better. I have my permanent interests.

Why target nuclear capabilities when they aren't being used in Ukraine?
Because Ukraine isn't in control of the targeting of Russian military assets. I think the NATO has a lot to do with this.
Ukraine is going to be levelled for this. IDIOTS

 

[MH.Yang]

Well, there are only 2 kinds of victories, Tactical and Strategical, Russia is never going to win this war strategically, because to do that, they will need Ukraine completely gone, chance of them cutting off Ukrainian coast is already low enough, it would have taken them about 800 years to roll up every inch of Ukraine. So if they don't need for a tactical victory, what are they chasing?

NATO is not going to collapse because of Ukraine; I mean NATO didn't even send 1/10 of the stuff they spend in Afghanistan (that's 200 billion a year by the way) in Ukraine which should have been a shame to begin with, and there are nothing Russia can get for Ukraine collapse unless they can occupy it, again, as previously said it's not going to happen.

This is different than when China split with USSR, China was not directly engaging in Vietnam, Russia is physically invading Ukraine, you have the luxury to sit across the border and watch the Vietnamese fighting the American, Russia don't have that luxury as they themselves are fighting the Ukrainian. Again, the strategic goal are different.

There is a Chinese idiom. I wonder if you, a self-proclaimed "Chinese-Australian", know it. It's called "斗米恩，升米仇". It's about a rich man who supports his poor neighbor with 6.9 kilograms of rice a month for many years, and his neighbor is very grateful to him. But one year the rich man had financial difficulties, so he changed his support to 0.35 kg. The neighbor was so unhappy that he immediately became hateful to the rich man and accused him of stealing his rice, just as the others had done. Do you understand now why Zelensky hates Trump? A populist country like Ukraine can actually go from pro-Western to anti-Western in just a few kilograms of rice.

Chinese civilization has lasted too long. We understand more than anyone else the versatility of human nature, and we understand more than anyone else what kind of hell a country that incites populism, a country that does not have a corresponding philosophy and civilization to hedge against populism, will end up being.

You're naive if you think Ukraine won't change, think Bin Laden or Saddam, both of whom were originally pro-American. As the creator of the global order, do you really think it's possible to never anger a bunch of populist lunatics?

 

[Abdul q]

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Who will fight alongside russia? Will indis come to rescue for their longest standing strategic partner who saved them in 1971 from US onslaught

 

[Viet]

you forgot to mention that Ukraine has blown several bridges in Russia and one passenger train, civilian killed. injured children in critical condition

yes I know. but to end this war Ukraine must inflict unsustainable costs to Russia. there is no other way. bringing the war back to Putin´s homeland is imperative. of course much easier for Ukraine because Russia is the immediate neighbor, unlike let´s say Viet Nam to the US.

 

[mythbuster]

Russia does not need NATO to collapse, only to force the US to abandon Ukraine. He doesn't need to occupy Ukraine either, he just needs to inflict major damage on it, which Ukrainian politicians will inevitably use in the future to foment populist attacks on his political opponents, as is the case with the current situation in Georgia. Now that the Ukrainians have taken such a poison as populism, it will be hard to spit it out. They are bound to go crazy and blame all foreign powers, not just Russia, for any difficulties. The Chinese government is doing the right thing by staying as far away as possible from the affairs of populist countries like a rabid dog with rabies. Whether you are genuinely trying to help them or not, if you get involved in their internal affairs, they will end up hating you. It can never be the populists who are at fault, only the foreigners. The Peron government in Argentina and the Chavez government in Venezuela are examples.

If I was Chinese I would be salvating at the prospects of Russian for east falling into the lap

 

[Cash gk]

Who will fight alongside russia? Will indis come to rescue for their longest standing strategic partner who saved them in 1971 from US onslaught

I think Russia will attack withatomic bomb then this war will end way the Usa did to Japan thats how war 2 ended

 

[Viet]

If I was Chinese I would be salvating at the prospects of Russian for east falling into the lap

I suggest people should ignore all bla bla propaganda and look to the facts instead.

China finances 80 percent of russian war efforts, 80 percent of electronics built in russian drones. the chinese can put pressure on Putin to stop the war. but that´s not going to happen. because the longer this war, the better for China. same for USA. the longer this bloodshed, the better for US military complex, Europe is weakend, Russia is weakened.

 

[j_hungary]

Is it safe to assume , weather and geographical proximity are the only constraints otherwise Russia will use the nukes.....

WHEN you use nuclear weapon, you still need to be able to exploit the attack, otherwise it's not going to be just "I use it, game over, you surrender" It's very wishful thinking to think that way. Weather and Geographical proximity is WHAT MAKE NUCLEAR STRIKE WORSE for Russia because it can blow back at them. The more important issue here is how nuclear weapon would help Russian win a war?

First of all, the other side of Ukraine is Poland and Romania, which is NATO, which mean that anything bigger than 100kt hitting anywhere in Ukraine would risk pissing off NATO, I don't assume NATO will look at it lightly if you nuke Ukraine and Fallout just goes over to Poland and Romania. Which mean you are talking about either short range TBM (around 40kt payload) or sub-kiloton nuclear weapon, such as nuclear artillery shell or nuclear rocket or bombs.

Those stuff don't hit very hard, you can probably destroy 20x20 kilometer area (Which is smaller than Bakhmut, and you can't use them on the frontline because that's where your own troops are, you maybe able to take out a Brigade or two, but seeing Ukraine have over 100 brigade now, that won't do much to help with the battlefield, other than you are nuking a small/medium city with around 5000 civilian in it, it WILL create outrage even to China as MH Yang said, so there aren't much you can really do with TBM or even smaller device other than you just going to kill a bunch of people, which they are being kill anyway as there is a war going on......

That is the issue why even Russia themselves was invaded in Kursk and Begolrod and they still haven't use them, even tho that was written in their nuclear doctrine that if Russia is under attack, they can use nuclear weapon. I don't think if they allowed Kursk and Belgorod to be invaded and not use nuclear weapon, they will do it over losing 10 or 20 bomber.....

 

[Cash gk]

Around 7 billion lost o russ

 

[mythbuster]

There is a Chinese idiom. I wonder if you, a self-proclaimed "Chinese-Australian", know it. It's called "斗米恩，升米仇". It's about a rich man who supports his poor neighbor with 6.9 kilograms of rice a month for many years, and his neighbor is very grateful to him. But one year the rich man had financial difficulties, so he changed his support to 0.35 kg. The neighbor was so unhappy that he immediately became hateful to the rich man and accused him of stealing his rice, just as the others had done. Do you understand now why Zelensky hates Trump? A populist country like Ukraine can actually go from pro-Western to anti-Western in just a few kilograms of rice.

Chinese civilization has lasted too long. We understand more than anyone else the versatility of human nature, and we understand more than anyone else what kind of hell a country that incites populism, a country that does not have a corresponding philosophy and civilization to hedge against populism, will end up being.

You're naive if you think Ukraine won't change, think Bin Laden or Saddam, both of whom were originally pro-American. As the creator of the global order, do you really think it's possible to never anger a bunch of populist lunatics?

Haha..... there's is saying in my local dialect .....hilay nu hilaya na te phir usda Wanda gumaya na .....this has exactly the same meaning as your rice analogy........what a shame our poor backward tribe has the same wisdom as the illustrious china.

 

[شَاھِین شَاہِ لَولَاک]

I don’t support any genocide, I just state facts you don’t like to hear.

PDF becoming an echo chamber of antisemitism is not a good look for this forum.

Arabs are the real semites. wanna take ancestery test???? ohhh wait its banned in the terrorist state of israel lol