Russia-Ukraine War - News, Discussions & Updates

[KingQamaR]

I’ve never understood “to the last Ukrainian” rhetoric from the Russian sycophants. As if Ukrainians aren’t fighting for their country and freedom from Russian tyranny.

Russia is the one who invaded Ukraine. Ukraines fight is just and they’ll fight for as long as they need to.

Putin invaded a country. The Austrian painter also invaded countries, therefore Putin = Austrian Painter. Pro-Ukranian 3yo logic and reasoning is the reason why this war is ongoing. Using their own logic, we can call the US the new National Socialist Germany along with every single president they have had for the past 80~ years has invaded a country. So does that means all the US president are austrain painters too? No, wait.


The US does have a REASON to invade other countries, but not Russia.
It is funny to be honest. If you look up on google the past US invasions, they are shown and labeled as "interventions". They have invaded other countries but with the excuse to combat terrorist groups or directly involve themselves on a civil war. US is allowed to "intervene" on countries in the other side of the world and everyone applauds: Yet, if Russia does it, it's not an intervention, it is an unprovoked genocidal invasion.

 

[j_hungary]

The main difference is this conflict is not happening in Russias backyard but their front yard. Putin and the Russian establishment see Ukraine still as a country which must be under their influence for them losing this war will be seen as Russia losing its territorial integrity. Letting Ukraine join Nato will be seen as a existential threat, i think it brings us much closer to use of tactical nukes than when the US was in Vietnam. Other wars the US have waged have been one sided.

It wouldn't matter if it was Russian backyard or front yard, it didn't negate the point that using nuke in that close proximity will bring it back to Russia, and specifically Moscow. If they use nuke on Ukraine in a "Murder-Suicide" plot, NATO probably wouldn't even need to send their own and have Russia destroy itself with its own nuke they sent to Ukraine.

Let me give you a "for-instant" Chernobyl exploded with a lower than 300kt yield, and the fallout is enough to be felt in Eastern UK and can be detected as far as Forsmark, Sweden, which is 1300km. And you are talking about megaton device on a distant about 3 times closer from Moscow.

If Russia launch a strategic device, NATO wouldn't even need to do anything, and you will have a fallout cloud over Moscow for the next 25 years.

On the other hand, Tactical nuke is pointless in a war this massive, you are trying to hit troop concentration, which you are talking about Brigade size target, that is if the entire brigade set in the same general area, you are going to need a lot of tactical nuke to take effect, again, they had already dropped enough bomb and artilleries to cover 5 40kt device since the war begin, did it help Russian progress?

 

[j_hungary]

Im sorry , From your western point of Ukraine, this Russian ultimatum is equal to surrender.

it's equal to accepting reality.

Exactly. So it's just going to be a slog until the European NATO stocks are depleted and until Ukraine can't find men to send. It already is going on in that direction. It will take time but eventually the electrical infrastructure, military production capabilities, mobilization capabilities and civilian economy will collapse on the Ukrainian side. Russia can go on like this for years and years. We already are at a terrible point in terms of manpower in Ukraine, it will get worse and other greater issues will arise.

That's because you don't understand why Ukrainian fights. What you said would make sense if majority of Ukranian don't want to fight, if this is the case, Zelenskyy would already been long gone, because the hardest part of this war is already over, Russian have more or less spent their force and nobody in any analytical world would see any large swath of land Ukraine is going to lose to Russia. The time Russia can threaten Kyiv is long gone.

On the otherhand, Ukraine is not Estonia, you aren't talking about a country with very low population, Ukraine have a 45 million population, with around 40 mil still inside Ukraine, bear in mind Ukraine had NOT YET implement mobilisation, and depends on volunteer and local draftee. Even if we are talking about a conversion rate of 1/10, you are talking about up to 4-5 million men/women in military age they can draft, and it will take Russia a while to go over those people.

On the other hand, it will be a long wait for Russia to try to deplete Western/NATO equipment, we send hundreds of tanks, not thousands, we send 25 HIMARS, not 250, we send 350 Storm shadow, not 1500, how long does it take to go over the entire NATO stock?

 

[j_hungary]

Sounds like you just described Ukraine

Well, I just saw a few videos of around 100 Russian soldier surrendered in Vovchansk on Telegram, they are saying they have encircled up to 400.



(Can only find this on Youtube)

So, you tell me

 

[j_hungary]

Putin invaded a country. The Austrian painter also invaded countries, therefore Putin = Austrian Painter. Pro-Ukranian 3yo logic and reasoning is the reason why this war is ongoing. Using their own logic, we can call the US the new National Socialist Germany along with every single president they have had for the past 80~ years has invaded a country. So does that means all the US president are austrain painters too? No, wait.


The US does have a REASON to invade other countries, but not Russia.
It is funny to be honest. If you look up on google the past US invasions, they are shown and labeled as "interventions". They have invaded other countries but with the excuse to combat terrorist groups or directly involve themselves on a civil war. US is allowed to "intervene" on countries in the other side of the world and everyone applauds: Yet, if Russia does it, it's not an intervention, it is an unprovoked genocidal invasion.

That didn't answer his question tho. He asked why people would think it's NATO who pushes Ukraine into a war (for their own survival) not what is the Russian perspective for this war.

It's one thing to try to address your goal and invade someone, it's another thing to say "why the party being invaded decide to fight"

Or you really believe majority of Ukrainian don't want to fight but was pushed by the NATO to "Defend their homeland"? If so, I am pretty sure this war will not happen, Ukraine would have been folded a long time ago like Afghanistan. I mean, if the fact that the Ukrainian fought the Russian alone in the last 27 months without a single NATO soldier holding their hand did not show what kind of resolve they are showing, then I don't know what will...

 

[KingQamaR]

Well, I just saw a few videos of around 100 Russian soldier surrendered in Vovchansk on Telegram, they are saying they have encircled up to 400.



(Can only find this on Youtube)

So, you tell me

This happens to both sides in all wars ..nothing special here. It has no larger meaning.

 

[j_hungary]

This happens to both sides in all wars ..nothing special here. It has no larger meaning.

Well, taking POW is nothing special, 1, 2 or 10 here and there but taking 100 confirmed (again, up to 400 if their story was to be believed) That's a big deal.

Notice that that's a whole Battalion worth (US Battalion TO&E are 450, Russian are 600) and you are talking about a 20,000 side front (a little more than a division), which mean that 400 (again, if it were to believe) that is a tactical reserve worth of men, that's the entire British Force in Battle of Injim River during Korean war.

It also means that things are getting desperate, because you don't have that many people surrender, again, 1 or 2 or 10, maybe some straggler that got left behind, or wounded too seriously and you can bring them back maybe there are nothing to it, but a 100+ confirmed and up to 400? That something's wrong here, even Mariupol didn't have that many surrendered (I mean in one go, not total).

 

[TopGun786]

The sycophants believe this is a NATO war on Russia and they are using Ukrainians as a pawn.

What they fail to see are Ukrainians determination to be free from Russian oppression and they’ll fight as hard and as long as they need to.

Talking as if people don't know the back story of this war.

 

[TopGun786]

Putin invaded a country. The Austrian painter also invaded countries, therefore Putin = Austrian Painter. Pro-Ukranian 3yo logic and reasoning is the reason why this war is ongoing. Using their own logic, we can call the US the new National Socialist Germany along with every single president they have had for the past 80~ years has invaded a country. So does that means all the US president are austrain painters too? No, wait.


The US does have a REASON to invade other countries, but not Russia.
It is funny to be honest. If you look up on google the past US invasions, they are shown and labeled as "interventions". They have invaded other countries but with the excuse to combat terrorist groups or directly involve themselves on a civil war. US is allowed to "intervene" on countries in the other side of the world and everyone applauds: Yet, if Russia does it, it's not an intervention, it is an unprovoked genocidal invasion.

Exactly.
Look at the height of hypocrisy these idiots have.
And yet they shamelessly try to force convince everyone here.
Jhsy look at the biggest evil, USA.... How many countries it invaded and destroyed.
Even know it keep sticking it's, nose, legs, arms and buttocks in each and every mayter/conflict of this world.
Everybody knows real nature of USA yet they keep lying and lying blatantly and their propaganda machine is tirelessly working day and night.
Even now USA is directly involved in genocide of Palestinian people by supplying continously money arms and providing all the back to child killer apartheid entity israhell, yet some moron here has moral ground to talk about Russian "invasion".

 

[KingQamaR]

Well, taking POW is nothing special, 1, 2 or 10 here and there but taking 100 confirmed (again, up to 400 if their story was to be believed) That's a big deal.

Notice that that's a whole Battalion worth (US Battalion TO&E are 450, Russian are 600) and you are talking about a 20,000 side front (a little more than a division), which mean that 400 (again, if it were to believe) that is a tactical reserve worth of men, that's the entire British Force in Battle of Injim River during Korean war.

It also means that things are getting desperate, because you don't have that many people surrender, again, 1 or 2 or 10, maybe some straggler that got left behind, or wounded too seriously and you can bring them back maybe there are nothing to it, but a 100+ confirmed and up to 400? That something's wrong here, even Mariupol didn't have that many surrendered (I mean in one go, not total).

Curious about the amount of men that surrendered from Vovchansk Chemical plant. You say 400. The KYIV Post says 24. The Ukraine today says 24. A week before Nazar Voloshyn, the spokesperson for the Khortitsiya Regional Command claimed almost 60 were captured. But that was a week before the 24 were captured.

The first casualty of war is the truth!

 

[F-22Raptor]

Putin invaded a country. The Austrian painter also invaded countries, therefore Putin = Austrian Painter. Pro-Ukranian 3yo logic and reasoning is the reason why this war is ongoing. Using their own logic, we can call the US the new National Socialist Germany along with every single president they have had for the past 80~ years has invaded a country. So does that means all the US president are austrain painters too? No, wait.


The US does have a REASON to invade other countries, but not Russia.
It is funny to be honest. If you look up on google the past US invasions, they are shown and labeled as "interventions". They have invaded other countries but with the excuse to combat terrorist groups or directly involve themselves on a civil war. US is allowed to "intervene" on countries in the other side of the world and everyone applauds: Yet, if Russia does it, it's not an intervention, it is an unprovoked genocidal invasion.

Russia invaded Ukraine to overthrow Zelensky and install a Russian stooge because Ukraine chooses to align with the West and be free from Russian subjugation.

Putin and Russia failed miserably, but because Putin can’t acknowledge that failure, he doubled down and is now stuck in a quagmire of historical proportion.

Ukraine will be free, understand this.

 

[KingQamaR]

Russia invaded Ukraine to overthrow Zelensky and install a Russian stooge because Ukraine chooses to align with the West and be free from Russian subjugation.

Putin and Russia failed miserably, but because Putin can’t acknowledge that failure, he doubled down and is now stuck in a quagmire of historical proportion.

Ukraine will be free, understand this.

American Apologists :


"But, but, our invasions are different since it brought freedom & democracy, despite how badly we bombed them!" You invaded countries so you can install your own puppets l.

 

[hussain0216]

Russia invaded Ukraine to overthrow Zelensky and install a Russian stooge because Ukraine chooses to align with the West and be free from Russian subjugation.

Putin and Russia failed miserably, but because Putin can’t acknowledge that failure, he doubled down and is now stuck in a quagmire of historical proportion.

Ukraine will be free, understand this.

Yeahhhhhh no it won't

Russia has gone easy on Ukraine, very easy, probably because they are similar people, as long as Russia keeps advancing, which it is things will stay the same

If Russia comes under pressure, it will start hitting the cities of Ukraine in a major way, just like the U.S is helping Israel attack Gaza and decimate them


I haven't seen any Ukrainian advances in over a year now. And you expect, to magically grow more people, turn them into soldiers, train them, stop Russian advances and push the russians back

Naa buddy, not happening

Even the recent peace conference was a total dud

Multiple countries missing
Multiple countries refused to condemn Russia
It was a joke

Russia is winning this for everyone

 

[F-22Raptor]

American Apologists :


"But, but, our invasions are different since it brought freedom & democracy, despite how badly we bombed them!" You invaded countries so you can install your own puppets l.

Nope, we invaded Afghanistan due to 9/11. Al Qaeda has been successfully destroyed.

The Iraq War was a continuation of Desert Storm and the just overthrow of a dictator who ran WMD programs for decades.

Regardless, Afghanistan and Iraq have absolutely nothing to do with Ukraine. Ukraines fight for freedom from Russian subjugation is a righteous one.

Russia has strategically lost this war, and the sooner you accept that the better.

 

[Hack-Hook]

A court of arbitration of Stockholm sentences Gazprom to pay 13 billion euros in compensation to the German state company Uniper.
Gazprom violated the contract by stopping gas deliveries in 2022.
If Gazprom or Putin refuse to pay more Russia assets will be seized.

Handelsblatt

www.handelsblatt.com

As far as I'm aware all Russian asset are already seized