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[j_hungary]

Russia is holding all the cards now, there will be peace on their terms, not Zelenskyy and certainly not Trump. Ukrainian isn’t going to join NATO, Hungarian president has already said as long as Russia or Ukraine are enemies he will not accept Ukraine into NATO. And Turkey will probably do the same.

Again, what card Russia hold.

As I said before, what can Russia ask Ukraine to concede from their negotiation table? I have asked you like 3 times and you didn't answer once.

And Ukraine WILL BE IN NATO, they have all their secret because they are using a full spectrum of NATO weapon, effectively if you look at the type of weapon, they are the same as Poland only with significant less number, Poland Uses Leo 2, Ukraine Uses Leo 2, Poland uses M1 Abrams, Ukraine uses Abrams, Poland uses Blackhawk Helicopter, Ukraine uses Black Hawk Helicopter, Poland uses HIMARS, Ukrainian uses HIMARS, Poland uses F-16, Ukraine uses F-16, Poland uses M109 Paladin, Ukraine uses M109 Paladin, the only thing I think from Poland stock were missing in Ukraine is the Apache Helicopter and Ukraine don't have a Navy. there are more of different type of NATO weapon in Ukraine than any single NATO Country including the US, and it doesn't matter if you only have 31 Abrams or 3000 Abrams, you still need to know those NATO operation menu in order to operate that, which is something I know and I can't tell you because that is TS?SCI, unless NATO fancy changing just about EVERYTHING, from every operation menu to every doctrine, it's naive and stupid for NATO to let Ukraine go, it will have the same impact as letting Poland back into Russia. You may as well just folded NATO.

UKRAINE IS GOING TO BE IN NATO REGARDLESS OF THIS WAR......Because they know too much on NATO secret. It may not be this year or next year, or even the next 5 years, but this is a fact you and Russia need to accept.

 

[Snake]

Russia can't fight this war in another 10 years, because their economy aren't build for this, a1 10 years war in Iraq pushes US into debt overdrive, put the war in Afghanistan and the US is now 36 trillion dollars in debt, and Iraq and Afghanistan is in no way a big scale war like this, and Russia is going in alone, that's why their economy is tanking now, because they had run out of option, the war keep on, inflation is going to hike, and you can't really deal with it because basically their bank is running out of money, even if the war stopped today, there are no guarantee the west would lift the sanction, which mean Russian Central Bank will continue to be empty, and because 46% of all economic activities now is Military Production, and you can't turn it into civilian consumption, you can't stimualate local economy by buiding tank unless you want to sell it to your civilian..

It's actually Ukraine who can't fight this war for another 10 years. Ukraine demographics are not suited for it. Russian economy is a little heated but their oil/gas is still being sold and gauging by the US concessions the sanctions are not as effective.

The point about the debt is slightly dishonest - during the time of those wars was also the banking/mortgage crises, several natural disasters, and COVID bailout. Russia is on a war footing but their economy will hold out much longer than Ukrainian demographics.

UKRAINE IS GOING TO BE IN NATO REGARDLESS OF THIS WAR......Because they know too much on NATO secret. It may not be this year or next year, or even the next 5 years, but this is a fact you and Russia need to accept.

Why did the Defense secretary say Ukraine won't be in NATO? The reason you provide for why they'll be NATO is the exact reason why NATO will become a useless institution - that and US unwillingness to back up article 5 against Russia.

 

[j_hungary]

Fun and games?

The very first few posts on the old forum were all about futility of this war.
Instead of fake concern, be real for once ...
is it about people or is about borders?

Is it about geopolitics or resources? You tell me because that is where it is concluding and not for all that blood spilled!

I have worked with Ukrainian ... and I know how race plays in their mind. I have also interacted with Russians married into Ukrainians and their view about both Russia and Ukraine.... their thoughts about this conflict.

I don't see Ukrainian invading Russia (well, not at the beginning) so exactly what this war is for? If it is about Geopolitics and Resource? Certainly not because of Ukraine wanted Russian resources?

I been to Ukraine 4 times since the start of this war, if you ask any Ukrainian on the street what this war is for, they can't tell you, because they were being attacked. The only one who know what this war is for is Putin, because he started it, he may think NATO is creeping up his arse, which is strange as again it ALWAYS has been with or without Ukraine. He may want to take control of Ukrainian resource, or he may, like he said publicly think Ukainian does not exist. But whatever that reason, the only reason why Ukrainian is fighting back is because they are the one under attack.

There are million different things both side could have done, and they are not done, you can go back and speculate all you want, but as far as I know, the time I spend in Ukraine, the people I know from way back serving with in Iraq, they don't care how or why Russia attack, they only care about their own survival, and if things are like what Putin said, there would be no war, because everyone in Ukraine will be embracing Putin as a liberator, but is it how it ends up in Ukraine? That is the only question I can answer.

So yes, this thread, and YOU, starting to become a joke, it's about who kill more Russian or who kill more Ukrainian, and it has become a dick measuring contest with people life you are talking about, have you ever go up close and take a man's life, so close you can see his eyes goes dark and you can literally hear his last breathe? I did, and I can tell you anyone who had done that and who are not crazy will not want to see death EVER again, I cry for 6 days when my cats dies, not because I am a sissy or anything, it's because that hit me with all the things that I have done, and a man dying and a cat dying is all but the same.

So yes, for you, sitting in your sofa or chair somewhere where bomb is not dropping and keep talking trash on either side, is all fun and game. And this is the issue with this threat, that's why I don't post here anymore. If you want to talk about the geopolitics like other even @mulj I don't agree with his point but I don't despise his view because he talk about the issue with the issue, and not people using the money to build villa or something and how people dies. Unless you can talk that way, I am done with you.

 

[j_hungary]

It's actually Ukraine who can't fight this war for another 10 years. Ukraine demographics are not suited for it. Russian economy is a little heated but their oil/gas is still being sold and gauging by the US concessions the sanctions are not as effective.

The point about the debt is slightly dishonest - during the time of those wars was also the banking/mortgage crises, several natural disasters, and COVID bailout. Russia is on a war footing but their economy will hold out much longer than Ukrainian demographics.

How so?

Ukrainian have 4.5 million male between 25-60. And that's just male, not including the female who want to fight.

Bear in mind Ukraine have not had a general mobilisation, mostly because part of this will attract negative impact and the other part is they can't train enough people, with 60,000-100,000 turn over rate a year which is on a hot war state, the population demographic can sustain a force regeneration for 10 years and maybe more.

Again, Ukraine is not a small countries like Estonia or Lative, they have 38 million people, even if you can only mobilise 1/10 it's going to take a long time chew over 3.8 million people in a defensive war.

Why did the Defense secretary say Ukraine won't be in NATO? The reason you provide for why they'll be NATO is the exact reason why NATO will become a useless institution - that and US unwillingness to back up article 5 against Russia.

Why Trump said he want to develop Gaza? And Why Biden and Biliken said Ukraine will eventually in NATO?

This is what this administration want, because of personal gain, the issue is,

1.) I am not wrong, Ukraine know a lot of NATO secret.
2.) MAGA and Trump won't be in forever, all you need is a majority and a president that is okay for the assentation.

So yes. Ukraine WILL be in NATO, this is what most analyst agree on, even 2 different NATO secretary agreed on as well.

 

[Snake]

How so?

Ukrainian have 4.5 million male between 25-60. And that's just male, not including the female who want to fight.

Bear in mind Ukraine have not had a general mobilisation, mostly because part of this will attract negative impact and the other part is they can't train enough people, with 60,000-100,000 turn over rate a year which is on a hot war state, the population demographic can sustain a force regeneration for 10 years and maybe more.

Again, Ukraine is not a small countries like Estonia or Lative, they have 38 million people, even if you can only mobilise 1/10 it's going to take a long time chew over 3.8 million people in a defensive war.

Come on brother why is that range extended to 60? How well would a 59 y/o grocery store clerk do against a drone? Their average age is already 43. The morale must be sinking after Trump's remarks.

Requesting women to the battlefield is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Most of the remaining men are not well trained and they're going to be going up against a pumped up Russian army who knows the American support (99% of the support) is waning. Russian economy will hold out much longer than Ukrainian demographics. Thousands of Ukrainians have also fled the country to avoid being drafted. Zelensky knows if he lowers the draft age he's just hollowing out its future. Russia has the manpower and weapon (quantity) advantage.

Why Trump said he want to develop Gaza? And Why Biden and Biliken said Ukraine will eventually in NATO?

This is what this administration want, because of personal gain, the issue is,

1.) I am not wrong, Ukraine know a lot of NATO secret.
2.) MAGA and Trump won't be in forever, all you need is a majority and a president that is okay for the assentation.

So yes. Ukraine WILL be in NATO, this is what most analyst agree on, even 2 different NATO secretary agreed on as well.

Trump said he wanted to develop Gaza because he knew the spineless Arabs would dance for him and offer to pay for the Jewish state's destructive tendencies. Lo and behold the Arabs are dancing.

Regarding Biden, Blinken and the deepstates' offer to Ukraine here's what the NSA is saying backing up the statement of defense secretary AND others:

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You're definitely correct that Ukraine knows NATO secrets - that's why NATO will be, as Trump put it, "Braindead" after this is over. MAGA and Trump will be there long enough to see the end of this conflict which will leave a Ukrainian rump state, which will be in the Russian sphere of influence. Let's see how things go - I wouldn't be surprised if Putin asks for some of the Baltics to be kicked out of NATO.

 

[j_hungary]

Come on brother why is that range extended to 60? How well would a 59 y/o grocery store clerk do against a drone? Their average age is already 43. The morale must be sinking after Trump's remarks.

Huh, not all role are frontline fighting, you can't put 4 million soldier on the frontline anyway. And I have called a couple of Ukrainian friend after Trump came on, most people in Ukraine don't care what Trump said, in fact, since lat year, they know US is not going to support them anymore as there were no new package passed since April 17, 2024, that's almost a year ago.

And the range was ALWAYS 60

Martial law: Ukrainian men aged 18-60 cannot leave the country

The State Border Guard Service reports that due to the imposition of martial law in Ukraine, a certain category of citizens is temporarily restricted from leaving Ukraine. Specifically, male citizens of Ukraine aged 18 to 60 are prohibited from leaving Ukraine.

www.pravda.com.ua

Requesting women to the battlefield is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. Most of the remaining men are not well trained and they're going to be going up against a pumped up Russian army who knows the American support (99% of the support) is waning. Russian economy will hold out much longer than Ukrainian demographics. Thousands of Ukrainians have also fled the country to avoid being drafted. Zelensky knows if he lowers the draft age he's just hollowing out its future. Russia has the manpower and weapon (quantity) advantage.

First of all, my life was saved by a woman, if it's not for a woman, I would probably died in that cross street ambush in Iraq. That woman pin down a side of the housing building with the M2 Machine Gun exposed on top of my Humvee which she was not trained with as a driver allow me to pin down the cross street and my troop to disengage.

Second, EU had overtaken US as lead aid support since 2024.

And finally, not everyone left, in fact, not a lot left, around 500,000 last I read, again, there are still 38 million people in Ukraine, and they haven't tapped into that pool of human resources yet. And again, that will last a long time,. On the other hand, Russia come from 9% interest rate and 4.5% inflation in early 2022 to 17% interest rate and 8% inflation in 2023 to 21% interest rate and 9.5% inflation in 2024 to 21% interest rate and 10% inflation just now in Feb 2025.

Well, on one hand you have a country with 38 million population, on the other hand you have Russia doing this in 3 years. I would probably put my money on Ukraine to last longer.

Trump said he wanted to develop Gaza because he knew the spineless Arabs would dance for him and offer to pay for the Jewish state's destructive tendencies. Lo and behold the Arabs are dancing.

Regarding Biden, Blinken and the deepstates' offer to Ukraine here's what the NSA is saying backing up the statement of defense secretary AND others:

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You're definitely correct that Ukraine knows NATO secrets - that's why NATO will be, as Trump put it, "Braindead" after this is over. MAGA and Trump will be there long enough to see the end of this conflict which will leave a Ukrainian rump state, which will be in the Russian sphere of influence. Let's see how things go - I wouldn't be surprised if Putin asks for some of the Baltics to be kicked out of NATO.

Again, it aint up to Trump, because Ukraine is not really a push over, if they wer, they would have folded a long time ago, there were no US support, hell nothing when they were attacked and Russian column bearing down Kyiv seemingly in a steam roll, Zelenskyy would have, and could have, and by all account, SHOULD have, fled and leave the country to the Russian. It was back then when Russian Troop were over Kherson, Over Kharkiv, Over Donbas and 40km from Kyiv. No US support announce, none taken anyway, and they fight.

And you think they will just give up now 3 years after with Russian gone in Kyiv, majority of them gone in Kharkiv and all of the Russian is South of Dnieper River, and having difficult taken Donbas and themselves losing a chunk of Kursk?

Well, you can of course think that way, it's just not logical.

 

[Snake]

Huh, not all role are frontline fighting, you can't put 4 million soldier on the frontline anyway. And I have called a couple of Ukrainian friend after Trump came on, most people in Ukraine don't care what Trump said, in fact, since lat year, they know US is not going to support them anymore as there were no new package passed since April 17, 2024, that's almost a year ago.

And the range was ALWAYS 60

Morale, supplies applies everywhere I'm not saying put them all on the frontline. How long would all 4m last without US support? That support is going very soon.

I didn't say you were making up the limit of 60. Isn't it ridiculous to stretch it to 60 even if it is official? The average age being 43 is already ridiculous.

First of all, my life was saved by a woman, if it's not for a woman, I would probably died in that cross street ambush in Iraq. That woman pin down a side of the housing building with the M2 Machine Gun exposed on top of my Humvee which she was not trained with as a driver allow me to pin down the cross street and my troop to disengage.

If not for American lies and/or greed your life wouldn't have needed saving. I don't believe women should be on the battlefield aside from healthcare workers.

Second, EU had overtaken US as lead aid support since 2024.

What kind of aid are we talking here? EU is giving them loans - they expect to be paid back.

Again, it aint up to Trump, because Ukraine is not really a push over, if they wer, they would have folded a long time ago, there were no US support, hell nothing when they were attacked and Russian column bearing down Kyiv seemingly in a steam roll, Zelenskyy would have, and could have, and by all account, SHOULD have, fled and leave the country to the Russian. It was back then when Russian Troop were over Kherson, Over Kharkiv, Over Donbas and 40km from Kyiv. No US support announce, none taken anyway, and they fight.

And you think they will just give up now 3 years after with Russian gone in Kyiv, majority of them gone in Kharkiv and all of the Russian is South of Dnieper River, and having difficult taken Donbas and themselves losing a chunk of Kursk?

Well, you can of course think that way, it's just not logical.

The only reason Ukraine didn't fall then was because of Russian goodwill. Russian forces were in Kiev hunting Zelensky like the he is and then they wanted negotiations. But the west insisted negotiations (Istanbul) could not be held with Russian troops in Kiev, it wouldn't make sense. To facilitate the negotiations the Russians left Kiev.

The Ukrainians have no choice but to accept Russian terms IF there is no US support. Note it Ukraine will NOT be in NATO. What do you make of the Defense secretary and NSA both saying that? Keeping in mind the current conflict will end in the Trump administration.

 

[j_hungary]

Morale, supplies applies everywhere I'm not saying put them all on the frontline. How long would all 4m last without US support? That support is going very soon.

I didn't say you were making up the limit of 60. Isn't it ridiculous to stretch it to 60 even if it is official? The average age being 43 is already ridiculous.

Again, you were talking about if Russia can keep the tempo as of 2 years ago, the progress is slow for Russia is simply because either Ukrainian resistance or Russian inability to attack, or both.

You can't expect Russia to launch any offensive the scale every single year like they did back in Feb 2024 when they took Avdiivka, it's going to be a low-high-low warfare from now on, low intensity a few years, then a big attack, and then low intensity for a few years.

If not for American lies and/or greed your life wouldn't have needed saving. I don't believe women should be on the battlefield aside from healthcare workers.

If that's your view, that's fine, I didn't ask anyone for anything for going over there, and also, the argument of if it's not for something then something else wouldn't happen argument will not hold, because in this reality, that something happened, so does something else, so it's really pointless and look back on things and say "If this didn't happen, then that wouldn't"

What kind of aid are we talking here? EU is giving them loans - they expect to be paid back.

Huh? You do know the ASAP project, and the agreement of EU producing Ukrainian military article for Ukraine in EU, right??

Act in Support of Ammunition Production (ASAP)

The European Commission adopted a proposal for a Regulation establishing the Act in Support of Ammunition Production (ASAP). The Regulation is a direct response to Council’s call to urgently deliver ammunition, and if requested missiles, to Ukraine and and to help Member States refill their stocks.

defence-industry-space.ec.europa.eu

The only reason Ukraine didn't fall then was because of Russian goodwill. Russian forces were in Kiev hunting Zelensky like the he is and then they wanted negotiations. But the west insisted negotiations (Istanbul) could not be held with Russian troops in Kiev, it wouldn't make sense. To facilitate the negotiations the Russians left Kiev.

The Ukrainians have no choice but to accept Russian terms IF there is no US support. Note it Ukraine will NOT be in NATO. What do you make of the Defense secretary and NSA both saying that? Keeping in mind the current conflict will end in the Trump administration.

Lol, if by "good will" is mounting a force that invade Ukraine by 3 sides and then subsequently bomb every inch of the Ukrainian soil they taken is good will, then I don't know what is Russian bad side. But one thing for sure, good side or not, do you agree 3 years ago the situation is more dire than now? That was the time when we send nothing or just Javelin or Stinger. Face it, THEY TRIED, and FAILED, nobody fight a war with good side, maybe we should ask them whether they want to be killed before we killed them in war??........................If you show good side, you won't attack, I don't know how people don't understand this simple concept. We are talking about war not two children playing in the playground fighting over the same McDonald Happy Meal toy, in war, you show mercy and you are dead, we are talking about KILLING A HUMAN BEING here........Nobody will come knock nicely and tell you to vacate by showing their good side to you in a war, you do that before the war in all those threatening stage.......

As for whether or not Ukraine will accept Russian term, as with the last question, you can of course think the way you want, it's just not logical. I mean if we (as American) invade the Canada now just as Trump claim and only taken British Columbia in 2027, would you think the Canadian will surrender? Again, sure, everything is possible, but that's highly illogical.

Come back to what Russia can ask the Ukrainian to concede, they aren't going to ask Ukraine to concede not joining NATO because without NATO, even if there is cease fire, that's ball game for Ukraine, the Russian will come back again, and since they weren't NATO, there are no obligation that this time the west would have support them.

So if NATO is not an option, then you might as well conquer Ukraine now. That's the thought here if you ask any Ukrainian, that's why Russian isn't going to ask Ukraine to rop NATO bid with less than 20% of their country, sure, if US withdraw support an Ukraine start losing ground, maybe, but at this point, there aren't anything they can talk. And at this point, Trump have 4 years, 2 if Dem recapture both house in 2027, to side with Putin, so the question is, if US did in fact withdraw any support, in that 2 or 4 years would it put Ukraine in a situation that they are start going to lose everywhere? Well, we have a mini-series of that, there are no US support since April 17, the last package passed thru Senate. What had happened from April 17, 2024, til now? I don't know, I can't see into future, but as I said, if the progress remains unchanged, then there is no hope for Russia to even conquer Donbas by 2035, it wouldn't change the calculus, and we will know by the end of 2028. It's not going to decide this year in 2025.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I don't see Ukrainian invading Russia (well, not at the beginning) so exactly what this war is for? If it is about Geopolitics and Resource? Certainly not because of Ukraine wanted Russian resources?

I been to Ukraine 4 times since the start of this war, if you ask any Ukrainian on the street what this war is for, they can't tell you, because they were being attacked. The only one who know what this war is for is Putin, because he started it, he may think NATO is creeping up his arse, which is strange as again it ALWAYS has been with or without Ukraine. He may want to take control of Ukrainian resource, or he may, like he said publicly think Ukainian does not exist. But whatever that reason, the only reason why Ukrainian is fighting back is because they are the one under attack.

There are million different things both side could have done, and they are not done, you can go back and speculate all you want, but as far as I know, the time I spend in Ukraine, the people I know from way back serving with in Iraq, they don't care how or why Russia attack, they only care about their own survival, and if things are like what Putin said, there would be no war, because everyone in Ukraine will be embracing Putin as a liberator, but is it how it ends up in Ukraine? That is the only question I can answer.

So yes, this thread, and YOU, starting to become a joke, it's about who kill more Russian or who kill more Ukrainian, and it has become a dick measuring contest with people life you are talking about, have you ever go up close and take a man's life, so close you can see his eyes goes dark and you can literally hear his last breathe? I did, and I can tell you anyone who had done that and who are not crazy will not want to see death EVER again, I cry for 6 days when my cats dies, not because I am a sissy or anything, it's because that hit me with all the things that I have done, and a man dying and a cat dying is all but the same.

So yes, for you, sitting in your sofa or chair somewhere where bomb is not dropping and keep talking trash on either side, is all fun and game. And this is the issue with this threat, that's why I don't post here anymore. If you want to talk about the geopolitics like other even @mulj I don't agree with his point but I don't despise his view because he talk about the issue with the issue, and not people using the money to build villa or something and how people dies. Unless you can talk that way, I am done with you.

What is this, dead internet theory?
Internet is not real world, J... !
Oh and your puzzle didn't come together...
An average Ukrainian would have answered no war, pre, during and post war!!!
Ukrainian state though may or may not have sold them a bill of rights that didn't exactly turn out as intended. If NATO was to make Ukraine feel safer and prevent loss of life ... it had its unintended consequences. The promises didn't really pan out despite courage and valor of it's defenders.

Second, you bring up Fins and Baltics. .. otherwise city states held hostage by the powers for their moves. For example US may choose at its discretion an attack on Baltics or choose them as a stagging point to foment trouble in Russia at just the ripe time.
It was suitable for NATO to have Finns choose a side and paint a target on their back as a consequence.

Ukraine paid a price for being a rook in someone else's hands and got hollowed out as a result. So, I don't get how you reconcile Joker first pimping Ukraine to Blackrock under genocide Joe and now Trump mopping the floor?

But better yet keep it to yourself...
Don't need another essay conjured up and pieced together for personal therapy!

 

[j_hungary]

What is this, dead internet theory?
Internet is not real world, J... !
Oh and your puzzle didn't come together...
An average Ukrainian would have answered no war, pre, during and post war!!!
Ukrainian state though may or may not have sold them a bill of rights that didn't exactly turn out as intended. If NATO was to make Ukraine feel safer and prevent loss of life ... it had its unintended consequences. The promises didn't really pan out despite courage and valor of it's defenders

Second, you bring up Fins and Baltics. .. otherwise city states held hostage by the powers for their moves. For example US may choose at its discretion an attack on Baltics or choose them as a stagging point to foment trouble in Russia at just the ripe time.
It was suitable for NATO to have Finns choose a side and paint a target on their back as a consequence.

Ukraine paid a price for being a rook in someone else's hands and got hollowed out as a result. So, I don't get how you reconcile Joker first pimping Ukraine to Blackrock under genocide Joe and now Trump mopping the floor?

But better yet keep it to yourself...
Don't need another essay conjured up and pieced together for personal therapy!

Are you for real this stupid or just pretending??

First of all, EVERYBODY has a choice, Ukrainian, IF given a choice, of course they don't want war, the issue is, here, that choice is absent, that's because Russia choose it for them. You sounded like Ukrainian start this war by physically invading the Russian.

Second, nobody force the Russian to roll down tanks into Ukraine. Again, if your home is being assault by someone you are not welcome, you choose to lay down, roll over and died, that's your business, don't bring your cowardness into this discussion, because not all the people are coward like you.

And finally, if defending your own country is being a rook, then I am VERY PLEASE and HAPPY to be a rook, and if you don't, then I felt sorry for you and your countrymen, and frankly, you should be ashamed.

And I sleep very well at night thank you, you, on the other hand, I don't know.

And stop quoting me again, I have no time to talk to an idiot.

 

[Mobius]

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[mulj]

Ukraina as european country should have learnt lesson from bosnian war, after military stalemate with clear advantage for bosnian government side americans jumped in and cooked solution where nobody has won but all are more or less politically equally satisfied or not satisfied. I know this could not be totaly correct analogy but point is when the ruling boss from who your material support and political visibility and public symphaty depend tells you to stop, you stop.

 

[Viet]

Zelenski = Yanukovich

Putin= Stalin
both men share the same brutality.
the difference: while Stalin driving industrialization oevr the sectors, Putin only focusing on oil and gas.

 

[Han Patriot]

Are you for real this stupid or just pretending??

First of all, EVERYBODY has a choice, Ukrainian, IF given a choice, of course they don't want war, the issue is, here, that choice is absent, that's because Russia choose it for them. You sounded like Ukrainian start this war by physically invading the Russian.

Second, nobody force the Russian to roll down tanks into Ukraine. Again, if your home is being assault by someone you are not welcome, you choose to lay down, roll over and died, that's your business, don't bring your cowardness into this discussion, because not all the people are coward like you.

And finally, if defending your own country is being a rook, then I am VERY PLEASE and HAPPY to be a rook, and if you don't, then I felt sorry for you and your countrymen, and frankly, you should be ashamed.

And I sleep very well at night thank you, you, on the other hand, I don't know.

And stop quoting me again, I have no time to talk to an idiot.

You said the same thing to me too whenever you lose an argument. Lol stop quoting and calling ppl idiot.

 

[Han Patriot]

Putin= Stalin
both men share the same brutality.
the difference: while Stalin driving industrialization oevr the sectors, Putin only focusing on oil and gas.

I am not sure what's the problem with you pro war guys. Don't think so simplistic. The US already admitted they planned to expand NATO to strangle Russia. Listen to Jeff Sachs.

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I don't like Trump nor Putin because to me they are Europeans and they fight for their own interest. I fight for a Chinese future, i fight for the Chinese civilization, so that our long 5000 year old civilization can go on and our descendant can witness the rejuvenation of China. That ome day, those old small countries around us, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, Vietnam will start to be our vassals again.