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J_hungary post 29,114 Mentioned it was a huge attack on Russia he’s spot on with that !

This is crazy , It wasn't just TU-95s. It was also TU-22s, TU-160s and their last operational A-50 at 4 different airbases.. Plus a strike on Severomorsk submarine base where they keep some of their nuclear ballistic missile submarines.
 
Don't see any reaction from any nation if Putin does Nukes 1-2 Cities
May be even 5 if he wants

US has already stated Ukraine war is not their war

Zelensky was invited to white house and it was explained to him
No money for you and don't come in here unless you negotiate peace with Russia


I don't see any indication Zelensky fella listens to Trump
The consequences will be severe. At the very least, public opinion in China may completely flip, and the Chinese government may well be forced by public opinion to join the West in trade sanctions. Many people have a misconception about the Chinese government, which in fact values public opinion more than Western governments.
 
What do you think will happen if putin does use nukes. a nuclear strike agaist russia is not on the cards for sure. what else can the west do?
Most people don't understand the value of Nuclear Weapon is the threat of using them, not actually using it. Because something we have is called Threat Matrix.

Once nuclear weapon was used, actually used by any side, there are no longer in doubt that they WILL BE USED, which mean the defence mechanism is that we need to treat the usage of nuclear weapon is likely, instead of unlikely, which means the first thing we do is to hunt down remaining Russian nuclear weapon and neutralise it, because we can't say "Oh, they may not use them" when the Russian already did, so we will have to assume they are going to use them, which mean the defensive posture will change from passive to active, hence hunting the remaining nuclear weapon down.

This is what we called "Full Count" when I was in the military, basically account for all mobile nuclear weapon and strike them before it was used, and target all command post that will stop the launch with Sub hunt, AIrbase hunt and CP hunt, anything that's not launching a nuclear strike on our own, but instead using conventional force to hunt down Russian nuclear capability, the effect is that it will minimise damage if Russia decided to launch their remaining nuclear weapon.

We won't just be sitting down and waiting and see whether or not Russia will use them again, you presume they WILL BE used again, and that would mean rather than de-escalation, it will be minimisation. De-escalation is what we will do now, to "Prevent" Russia from launching those nukes, but once that nuke was launch, that's ship would have sailed.
 
J_hungary post 29,114 Mentioned it was a huge attack on Russia he’s spot on with that !

This is crazy , It wasn't just TU-95s. It was also TU-22s, TU-160s and their last operational A-50 at 4 different airbases.. Plus a strike on Severomorsk submarine base where they keep some of their nuclear ballistic missile submarines.

Zelensky's strategic intent was really to provoke Russia into making the mistake of using nuclear weapons. Not only would this actually not allow Russia to win, it would also change the international situation dramatically, and the situation on the Ukrainian battlefield would probably be reversed.

If Putin can control public opinion in Russia and continue to slowly bleed the Ukrainians using the current program, then Russia will likely win in the end.

Many people don't realize that the war in Ukraine is really a geopolitical war. The exchanges outside the battlefield are more important than the battles inside.
 
Russias behavior is far worse than Israel’s. They murdered 20,000 Ukrainians in Mauripol alone. They’ve committed thousands of war crimes, murdered and tortured Ukraines everywhere they’ve been. They’ve launched so many missiles and drones at Ukrainian apartments I’ve lost count.

The Russians, by far, have been saints in their conflict against Ukraine and have carried out this conflict with great restraint. They didn't go around bombing refugee camps, hospitals, food distribution centers, or even hold humanitarian blockades for months. The same can't be said of the Israelis at any point in the conflict, who went above and beyond in tactics comparable to the Russians; you can't hold a candle.

Even Jesus would shake Putin's hands.
 
The Russians, by far, have been saints in their conflict against Ukraine and have carried out this conflict with great restraint. They didn't go around bombing refugee camps, hospitals, food distribution centers, or even hold humanitarian blockades for months. The same can't be said of the Israelis at any point in the conflict, who went above and beyond in tactics comparable to the Russians; you can't hold a candle.

Even Jesus would shake Putin's hands.
Don't be ridiculous, invaders on one side and Nazis on the other, neither are good people.
 
Zelensky's strategic intent was really to provoke Russia into making the mistake of using nuclear weapons. Not only would this actually not allow Russia to win, it would also change the international situation dramatically, and the situation on the Ukrainian battlefield would probably be reversed.

If Putin can control public opinion in Russia and continue to slowly bleed the Ukrainians using the current program, then Russia will likely win in the end.
There are no way Russia can win the war in strategic term, tactical term, yes, within Donbas, but that would take several decade to even try to win a tactical war in Donbas, Russia don't have that much time to win that war.

Nuclear attack is pointless because that is a massive strike on a single location, setting aside Russia is RIGHT BESIDE UKRAINE. Even with a 40kt tactical nuke, you probably can take out a medium city, which mostly defended by 1 or 2 Brigade, that changes nothing in strategic sense as city like Kramatorsk or Polteva are too close to your own troop, meaning you can't exploit that attack otherwise you are marching your own troop into nuclear full out zone.
 
Don't be ridiculous, invaders on one side and Nazis on the other, neither are good people.

I do not doubt that, just comparing the intensity of the two conflicts.

The longer this conflict in continental Europe continues, the better. I have my permanent interests.
 
There are no way Russia can win the war in strategic term, tactical term, yes, within Donbas, but that would take several decade to even try to win a tactical war in Donbas, Russia don't have that much time to win that war.

Nuclear attack is pointless because that is a massive strike on a single location, setting aside Russia is RIGHT BESIDE UKRAINE. Even with a 40kt tactical nuke, you probably can take out a medium city, which mostly defended by 1 or 2 Brigade, that changes nothing in strategic sense as city like Kramatorsk or Polteva are too close to your own troop, meaning you can't exploit that attack otherwise you are marching your own troop into nuclear full out zone.

Putin doesn't need to achieve a tactical victory.

Do you know about China's decade-long "Two Mountains War" on the Vietnamese border? It ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union, which supported Vietnam, and a 1 to 7 ratio of men to women in Vietnam.

There was no need for any tactical victory, was there?
 
Most people don't understand the value of Nuclear Weapon is the threat of using them, not actually using it. Because something we have is called Threat Matrix.

Once nuclear weapon was used, actually used by any side, there are no longer in doubt that they WILL BE USED, which mean the defence mechanism is that we need to treat the usage of nuclear weapon is likely, instead of unlikely, which means the first thing we do is to hunt down remaining Russian nuclear weapon and neutralise it, because we can't say "Oh, they may not use them" when the Russian already did, so we will have to assume they are going to use them, which mean the defensive posture will change from passive to active, hence hunting the remaining nuclear weapon down.

This is what we called "Full Count" when I was in the military, basically account for all mobile nuclear weapon and strike them before it was used, and target all command post that will stop the launch with Sub hunt, AIrbase hunt and CP hunt, anything that's not launching a nuclear strike on our own, but instead using conventional force to hunt down Russian nuclear capability, the effect is that it will minimise damage if Russia decided to launch their remaining nuclear weapon.

We won't just be sitting down and waiting and see whether or not Russia will use them again, you presume they WILL BE used again, and that would mean rather than de-escalation, it will be minimisation. De-escalation is what we will do now, to "Prevent" Russia from launching those nukes, but once that nuke was launch, that's ship would have sailed.
I am trying to decipher your last few posts , unfortunately, all I see is contradiction galore....all I can gather is .......code of honour is dead....MAD is dead ......all out nuclear war is the first resort.
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Putin doesn't need to achieve a tactical victory.

Do you know about China's decade-long "Two Mountains War" on the Vietnamese border? It ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union, which supported Vietnam, and a 1 to 7 ratio of men to women in Vietnam.

There was no need for any tactical victory, was there?
Well, there are only 2 kinds of victories, Tactical and Strategical, Russia is never going to win this war strategically, because to do that, they will need Ukraine completely gone, chance of them cutting off Ukrainian coast is already low enough, it would have taken them about 800 years to roll up every inch of Ukraine. So if they don't need for a tactical victory, what are they chasing?

NATO is not going to collapse because of Ukraine; I mean NATO didn't even send 1/10 of the stuff they spend in Afghanistan (that's 200 billion a year by the way) in Ukraine which should have been a shame to begin with, and there are nothing Russia can get for Ukraine collapse unless they can occupy it, again, as previously said it's not going to happen.

This is different than when China split with USSR, China was not directly engaging in Vietnam, Russia is physically invading Ukraine, you have the luxury to sit across the border and watch the Vietnamese fighting the American, Russia don't have that luxury as they themselves are fighting the Ukrainian. Again, the strategic goal are different.
 
I am trying to decipher your last few posts , unfortunately, all I see is contradiction galore....all I can gather is .......code of honour is dead....MAD is dead ......all out nuclear war is the first resort.
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Because that's 2 very different questions. One is what will the West do if Russia use nuclear weapon, the other question is whether or not Russia will indeed use nuclear weapon in Ukraine.

The bold part is why I said what the US will do, because if you use nuclear weapon to begin with, THAT BECAME THE FIRST RESORT, then we will need to hunt them down and prevent it from being use, I mean, would you still be sitting down and wait for it to happen if you already think Nuclear Weapon is the first resort? I don't think you will.......

As for whether or not I believe nuclear weapons will be used, that's a hard no. Because there is no advantage to be had to use nuclear weapons, in fact they will do more harm than good, seeing Russia is next to Ukraine, unless I am missing something and Russia can actually manipulate weather, any slight miscalculation, there are something called "radioactive fallout" which goes where the wind goes, and it can just blow back to Russia especially when Moscow is 744km from Kyiv (Again, that's Kyiv, not the frontline, the frontline is next to Kharkiv, which is 3-400km from Moscow), that's a very short distant for fall out to travel.
 
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I agree completely. It was a brilliant, mastered and perfectly executed... Without americans. US paper in this war should be closely evaluated by Taiwán, South Korea and EU.
I have a suggestion for all of them. Maybe if they convert to judaísm US will support like Israel.
the russians are caught in underwear down. they focus on terror bombings. Ukraine focus on russian military capacity. the drones have destroyed airbases, strategic bombers, aircraft, bridges, railroads deep insde Russia with a single strike.
 
I don’t support any genocide, I just state facts you don’t like to hear.

PDF becoming an echo chamber of antisemitism is not a good look for this forum.
No you are selective. Accusing the actions of bastards that kill children and innocent isn’t antisemitic. Anyone criticising the Israeli regime or their actions isn’t antisemitic. We do t mind hearing facts but when you think or insinuate the conflict started in 2023 shows us where you stand. Now stop trying to derail this thread
 
The bold part is why I said what the US will do, because if you use nuclear weapon to begin with, THAT BECAME THE FIRST RESORT, then we will need to hunt them down and prevent it from being use, I mean, would you still be sitting down and wait for it to happen if you already think Nuclear Weapon is the first resort? I don't think you will.......

As for whether or not I believe nuclear weapons will be used, that's a hard no. Because there is no advantage to be had to use nuclear weapons, in fact they will do more harm than good, seeing Russia is next to Ukraine, unless I am missing something and Russia can actually manipulate weather, any slight miscalculation, there are something called "radioactive fallout" which goes where the wind goes, and it can just blow back to Russia especially when Moscow is 744km from Kyiv (Again, that's Kyiv, not the frontline, the frontline is next to Kharkiv, which is 3-400km from Moscow), that's a very short distant for fall out to travel.
Is it safe to assume , weather and geographical proximity are the only constraints otherwise Russia will use the nukes.....
 
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