Saudis must recognise Israel for nuclear deal, says Trump
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lightning f57
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The Chinese wont give many strings attached, they are very business and transaction focused. I understand the riding both horses, all countries want good relations with both China and US. I wonder if SA should be more bold and have official talks with China about nuclear technology. China is one thing trump is unhinged on, if he see's the US is about to lose SA to China he will drop this Abraham accords nonsense which was clearly pushed by yahu & Israel to scatter this deal.
_Arabia_
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There has been official talks on numerous occasions and in public. Which is why I believe (among many other things) that USA allowed KSA to enrich within KSA with no strings attached (no 123 agreement).
Same way how KSA and China jointly extracted uranium within KSA. You can only use uranium for so many purposes and we all know why this was done in the first place.
Our energy minister has for years, in public, in every international gathering, talked about KSA's ambitions of being a major nuclear energy power and exporter of enriched uranium etc.
As every report is reporting (even US ones) this Ibrahim (AS) Accords talk and normalization (Trump has been in power since 10 years ago and for all this time - KSA has not yet recognized Israel or signed the Ibrahim Accords (AS) so I would be surprised if this would change.
Also have in mind that USA/Trump signed deals to sell the F-35 and other highly advanced military tech to KSA last November during MB's visit to USA.
See this thread on this very section (sticky thread):
Highlights covered by the American media.. American motives, Saudi political engineering, and the balance of new gains
A few days ago, Washington witnessed one of the most influential visits in the history of modern Saudi-American relations, after His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Crown Prince and Prime Minister - may God protect him - met with His Excellency US President Donald Trump, in a visit described by the American press as "a restructuring of the alliance."
What is striking about the scene is that most American analyses agreed that...
A few days ago, Washington witnessed one of the most influential visits in the history of modern Saudi-American relations, after His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Crown Prince and Prime Minister - may God protect him - met with His Excellency US President Donald Trump, in a visit described by the American press as "a restructuring of the alliance."
What is striking about the scene is that most American analyses agreed that...
As for Israel, to be frank with you, regardless of how Israel came into existence (the modern entity), the many war crimes it committed, 20-25% of Israel's population (citizens) is made up of Palestinian and Bedouin Arabs (Druze included who are Arabs as well) and 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews (including from modern-day KSA).
A nuclear armed Israel armed to the teeth and with the 24/7 support of US/West/NATO/friendship with Russia and China and India included) is going nowhere so one way or another we need to interact with them.
I could see KSA recognizing Israel with a new less radical Israeli regime in power and if they take steps to create a Palestinian state or a one-state solution (Arab majority in this case) with equal rights for everyone.
Nobody in KSA or the wider Arab world (Jews and Arabs have lived peacefully mostly throughout most of recorded history since Jews appeared in history - Jews mostly flourished in the Arab world when they were persecuted in Europe and elsewhere) would have any problems with Arab Jews or even European Jews if not for what the Israeli regimes have been ding towards Palestinians since 1948 and before.
But KSA has to do what is in our bests interests (our regime at least should). Turkiye, Egypt, numerous non-Arab Muslim majority countries and even many Arab countries (aside from Egypt and Jordan who were the first) have recognized Israel already.
KSA (people included - main donors to the Palestinian cause since 1948) have done a lot for Palestine as well as KSA being the main brain behind the Arab Peace Initiative (best proposal so far since 1948) and we cannot do much more in this regard when the entire Muslim world, global world etc. cannot do anything either.
If we had the economic and military myth of the US, we could, but that is not the case. But even that would be difficult as Israel would likely use the Sampson option or at least nuke the region in desperation for their impeding doom.
Many Israeli politicians, scholars, clerics etc. have said so much in public even. Even Jewish ones based in the West (outside of Israel itself).
I even think that they have a saying that they will not allow another Holocaust and if Israel's existence were ever to be threatened or sealed, they would take the world with them just out of spite. But geniuses here do not realize this nor the fact that Israel/Palestine is a tiny landmass to begin with and that Palestinian and Jews are living next door to each other.
So even if Arabs had nukes and used nukes on Israel, it would be the downfall of Palestine/Palestinians themselves.
Go on a full-scale attack on Israel and you risk getting nuked yourself by either the US or Israel.
But somehow, according to resident obsessed trolls, KSA alone, should have solved a 100 + year old conflict (make that 150 + years since the first Jewish migrations to Palestine were allowed under the Ottomans) in some alternative universe.
030292
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As soon as saudis even think about that, there will be a regime change the very next day in KSA.
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
More projecting. There has not been a single outside coup in the recorded history of KSA which was initiated by any foreigners - let alone Europeans or Americans. The only time a king was removed (incompetent one in his last years) was King Saud who was removed by his own family and exiled to Athens. Shortly afterwards Aramco became fully nationalized and many other crucial developments.
King Saud had 300 + offspring and was 2.04 meters tall btw.
Saud of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia
No regime (unlike most Muslim nations) or dynasty where ever put in power by foreigners in KSA, let alone the West.
KSA was never a Western colony, protectorate or anything alike.
Your obsessive likes are so ignorant (as usual) that you are completely clueless.
The US has no power to interfere in any succession within KSA.
In fact KSA removed (King Salman, MBS and his allies did that) the most pro-US leader (MBN) who was the deputy crown prince and later crown prince until 2017 (June) when MbS officially took over. He was the closest US (CIA ally - very important counter-terrorism ally of the US - now he is in a house regime and without any power) ally and the one the Obama/Biden/Trump administration wanted to see in power.
In short even experts (Western) have no clues about KSA and the inner workings which is why 99.99% of all of their predictions end up as nonsense down the line:
2015-2016:
Saudi Arabia’s economic time bomb | Brookings
Luay Al-Khatteeb discusses how Riyadh needs to undergo a C-change in mindset if it is to step back from the abyss that awaits. The winds of change can no longer be ignored by Riyadh.
www.brookings.edu
Start Preparing for the Collapse of the Saudi Kingdom
Saudi Arabia is no state at all. It could best be described as a political enterprise with a clever but ultimately unsustainable business model, or as so corrupt as to resemble a vertically and horizontally integrated criminal organization.
Instead KSA (and House of Saud) have been around continuously for 300 + years and only growing in strength by each year while all of their historical enemies (past and present) either belong in the dustbin of history or are failed impoverished states and entities. Go figure. When it has been occurring for 300 + years it is not any longer a coincidence.
And it seems that the Pakistani leadership (those that matter) - military etc. has known that ever since 1947. Which is why they are running Pakistan and you are a keyboard warrior on a forum.
lightning f57
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On the point of recognising Israel, if a sane government in Israel was in power that wanted genuine peace and not grab more arab land I think peace with the wider muslim world including SA would have been achieved a long time back. To me in its current guise and with Israeli society being psychotic and thinking they can do what they want (including their greater israel idea), recognising them IMO would be giving a nod to all the genocide and mayhem they have caused in the last few years and would only embolden then more.There has been official talks on numerous occasions and in public. Which is why I believe (among many other things) that USA allowed KSA to enrich within KSA with no strings attached (no 123 agreement).
Same way how KSA and China jointly extracted uranium within KSA. You can only use uranium for so many purposes and we all know why this was done in the first place.
Our energy minister has for years, in public, in every international gathering, talked about KSA's ambitions of being a major nuclear energy power and exporter of enriched uranium etc.
As every report is reporting (even US ones) this Ibrahim (AS) Accords talk and normalization (Trump has been in power since 10 years ago and for all this time - KSA has not yet recognized Israel or signed the Ibrahim Accords (AS) so I would be surprised if this would change.
Also have in mind that USA/Trump signed deals to sell the F-35 and other highly advanced military tech to KSA last November during MB's visit to USA.
See this thread on this very section (sticky thread):
Highlights covered by the American media.. American motives, Saudi political engineering, and the balance of new gains
A few days ago, Washington witnessed one of the most influential visits in the history of modern Saudi-American relations, after His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Crown Prince and Prime Minister - may God protect him - met with His Excellency US President Donald Trump, in a visit described by the American press as "a restructuring of the alliance."
What is striking about the scene is that most American analyses agreed that...
As for Israel, to be frank with you, regardless of how Israel came into existence (the modern entity), the many war crimes it committed, 20-25% of Israel's population (citizens) is made up of Palestinian and Bedouin Arabs (Druze included who are Arabs as well) and 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews (including from modern-day KSA).
A nuclear armed Israel armed to the teeth and with the 24/7 support of US/West/NATO/friendship with Russia and China and India included) is going nowhere so one way or another we need to interact with them.
I could see KSA recognizing Israel with a new less radical Israeli regime in power and if they take steps to create a Palestinian state or a one-state solution (Arab majority in this case) with equal rights for everyone.
Nobody in KSA or the wider Arab world (Jews and Arabs have lived peacefully mostly throughout most of recorded history since Jews appeared in history - Jews mostly flourished in the Arab world when they were persecuted in Europe and elsewhere) would have any problems with Arab Jews or even European Jews if not for what the Israeli regimes have been ding towards Palestinians since 1948 and before.
But KSA has to do what is in our bests interests (our regime at least should). Turkiye, Egypt, numerous non-Arab Muslim majority countries and even many Arab countries (aside from Egypt and Jordan who were the first) have recognized Israel already.
KSA (people included - main donors to the Palestinian cause since 1948) have done a lot for Palestine as well as KSA being the main brain behind the Arab Peace Initiative (best proposal so far since 1948) and we cannot do much more in this regard when the entire Muslim world, global world etc. cannot do anything either.
If we had the economic and military myth of the US, we could, but that is not the case. But even that would be difficult as Israel would likely use the Sampson option or at least nuke the region in desperation for their impeding doom.
Many Israeli politicians, scholars, clerics etc. have said so much in public even. Even Jewish ones based in the West (outside of Israel itself).
I even think that they have a saying that they will not allow another Holocaust and if Israel's existence were ever to be threatened or sealed, they would take the world with them just out of spite. But geniuses here do not realize this nor the fact that Israel/Palestine is a tiny landmass to begin with and that Palestinian and Jews are living next door to each other.
So even if Arabs had nukes and used nukes on Israel, it would be the downfall of Palestine/Palestinians themselves.
Go on a full-scale attack on Israel and you risk getting nuked yourself by either the US or Israel.
But somehow, according to resident obsessed trolls, KSA alone, should have solved a 100 + year old conflict (make that 150 + years since the first Jewish migrations to Palestine were allowed under the Ottomans) in some alternative universe.
Israel more than anything craves recognition, it knows if SA recognises them it could open the flood gates across the muslim world. This is definitely not the time to recognise a country whos leaders have arrest warrants and are committing open genocide. I think SA leaders also recognise this and wont be heading in this direction any time soon.
_Arabia_
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Which is why KSA is one of the few states (that matter - if not the only one) that has NEVER recognized Israel to this date since 1948. Every other country of relevance in the region, whether Egypt next door, Iran next door (until 1979) or Turkieye has done it in the past (Iran) or for many decades (Turkiye and Egypt).
Why should KSA be judged differently in this regard? Everyone around us can recognize Israel and reap the benefits (free Western aid, NATO membership, access to Western tech since many decades ago, political goodwill, better PR) but somehow KSA should not enjoy the same benefits?
It is not that anyone has been able to solve the conflict, force Israel to recognize a Palestinian state.
KSA has nothing to explain to anybody. We could have enjoyed greater benefits than most countries out there for recognizing Israel but we never did that. Went to 2 wars against Israel (1948 and 1973). Was the brain behind the Arab oil embargo that helped disrupt the global/Western economy.
1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia
Main economic donor of Palestine to date.
Hosting one of the world's largest Palestinian diasporas since before 1948.
Brain and authors behind the Arab Peace Initiative which is supported by every single Arab state, Arab League, OIC and most of the world.
Arab Peace Initiative - Wikipedia
Saudi Arabian (people) donated the most of any people to Gaza in public donations since 2024.
It is the same story with overall developments in KSA (tourism, hosting major sporting events - global ones), KSA is judged by different standards. Non-Saudi Arabian Muslims would ideally prefer KSA to remain a 6th century recreation where they could escape from their realities with all their ills and positives during Hajj and Umrah and leave again for their realities in their own countries or the West. In other words some kind of Islamic museum (living) where the people are perfect and the leadership can do nothing wrong. Forgetting that Makkah and Madinah are living cities with close to 5-6 million local residents (who are just like you and me and everybody else - ordinary humans with good and bad sides). The hypocrisy is tiring and it can be spotted from a mile away and it is mostly done by Muslims based in the West whose tax dollars are doing directly to fund the US/Israeli war machine and they are living in countries where prostitution, alcohol, drugs etc. are legal and rampant. Nothing even remotely close in KSA. It is either that or end up as backward Afghanistan where drugs, homosexuality, backwardness, illiteracy, women completely cut off from the society is the ideal goal.
A bit tired of it, to be frank with you.
So a tiny part of me, even though I despite Israeli policies towards Palestine, hopes that KSA will recognize Israel and reap all the benefits like everyone else (almost) is doing or has been doing. Enough with the double standards from that obsessive lot, I say!
Trailer23
Elite Member
Just 'cause he'll ask doesn't mean he'll get ...
He's been talking trash about a lot of Countries (Canada, Mexico, Spain etc). So what?
He was recently in China to meet Xi. Once all the contracts were signed, he was accusing them for tampering the 2020 Elections.
I'm sure the PTI/IK fanboys would like to think that THAT is what's happening here so they can have their 'Daikha...' moment.
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
Another clueless Arab/KSA-obsessed troll.
KSA (House of Saud) was around as a ruling dynasty 200 + years prior to the existence of Israel. Where most of Israel's current day citizens (Palestinian Arabs and Israeli Jews), in the case of the Arab Jews (2/3 of all Israeli Jews today) were still living under Arab rule in Arab lands.
KSA is the sole country of any sort of influence that has NEVER recognized Israel since 1948.
KSA was behind the biggest economic blow to the US and Western world during the KSA-initiated oil embargo.
KSA is the author and brain behind the Arab Peace Proposal - the most realistic and comprehensive two-state solution and deal that is supported by Hamas, Fatah, (official Palestinian government), every single Arab state and Muslim (OIC) state.
KSA fought 2 wars with Israel (1948, 1973), actively was the main supporter of Egypt during the Suez war and King Salman was on the frontline against the Israelis as the only Muslim ruler (past and present in the modern era).
On the frontline during the Suez war in 1956 along with numerous other House of Saud members (see the photo above - mostly all deceased today):
More nonsense. Protests main nothing and there has been 100's of protests across the Arab world against Israeli actions.
Saudi Arabians since 2024, have donated more money towards Gaza than any other Muslim people. Saudi Arabian charities have continuously send aid and people to Gaza.
Iran is completely irrelevant within KSA and cannot do anything and has never done anything in their entire recorded history. Yet to win a single war against Arabs, whether modern era or any era.
Tell us what your beloved Iranian regime has done to Israel - the same Israel that has been carpet bombing Iran since June 2025. How many Israelis have Iran killed? Is it 5 or 10? And when is Iran going to liberate Gaza and Palestine? We have been waiting since 1979.
Oh, they are only able to send useless drones and missiles at tiny Kuwait and Bahrain to save face from their daily humiliation.
From claiming to "controlling the entire region" to 300 + billion in damages, 10.000 casualties, entire leadership annihilated, worthless currency, economy in free fall, 1000's of their own murdered by their regime in January alone etc.
I wonder, your beloved holy cows (self-proclaimed Arabs) are in great turmoil and you are sitting behind your keyboard? I am sure that will stop the current mess. More worried/obsessed about 550 + million Arabs and KSA in particular. Usual modus operandi by the Arabized cultists.
Your likes (cultist) would take an Israeli Zionist and American over that of any Muslim Arab 24/7. We know your likes obsession and hatred towards Arabs very well. Two sides of the same coin. Both Arabized (Israeli Zionists), both obsessed and both eager to meddle/harm Arabs, Arab lands etc. Both destructive influences.
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brazensword
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Saudis can proclaim Trump Ameer ul Momineen 
_Arabia_
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No such title anywhere in the Muslim world and the closest thing there is to it, is already held by the Saudi Arabian king. Trump is gone in exactly 30 months from now. MbS will likely be around for another 40-50 years.Saudis can proclaim Trump Ameer ul Momineen
Maybe, just maybe, if a Muslim country had the financial, military, technological might of the US, could sell weapons even remotely as advanced as the the F-35, F-15SA, Patriot, THAAD and the list continues (something that Pakistan itself has benefited from greatly - most recently during the skirmishes with India), there would be no need for the US. Same goes for most of the world and their relations with the US.
Even China (the only real rival - economic only too for now) of the US, is the main trading partner of the US in the world. Same US that hosts millions of Chinese Americans.
And we will see how this deal will be implemented and if it fails to implement what was agreed to, KSA will looks towards China, Russia and potentially others. France for instance could be an alternative as they have a highly developed nuclear energy sector and some highly advanced nuclear reactors that they are willing to export.
But seeing how Trump has been dealing with KSA (public complains at times, false nonsense claims - later to retract) in regards to first official state visit in 2017, AI technology, advanced microchips, F-35, foreign direct investments (record high for the US), main US firms establishing headquarters in KSA, and now this deal, I believe that KSA leadership will be more happy than the opposite.
kobra
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Very long essay, will read once Saudia will bomb Israil Take care and have a laugh
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_Arabia_
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No ability (as usual and as I expected) to counter any of my factual points.
Proceeds to post a photo (likely fake) of Epstein 10 + years ago that has no relevance to KSA. Zero evidence of any KSA wrongdoing in relation to Epstein despite millions of documents being released. The same Epstein that deliberately cultivated relations with almost every person of importance across the world. Or tried to.
As if MbS even cared or knew who Epstein was, lol. Some nobody that probably made a lot of fake promises only to be figured out quickly and left to rot. Now dead.
Nobody cares. What people (sane ones) care about are facts (the ones that I have been writing for all to see and which nobody can argue against) on the ground. Not useless ramblings and obsessions from the usual schizophrenic cultists.
bafxet
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The NSG (Neuclear Supply group) forbids selling it to any country until there is a consensus among the member countries. In this situation US will almost certainly dissent.
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