Saudis must recognise Israel for nuclear deal, says Trump

[_Arabia_]

Selling the technology of enrichment that they are asking for since last 20 years. Having natural uranium ore is one thing and having technology is absolutely different.

If Saudi Arabia has the audacity to to take part that Pakistan or India took they are more then welcome to acquire it. If even they think of trying to get their hands on neuclear technology covertly with US consent then probably that would be the last day of Alsaud reign.

I am not aware of KSA asking for this technology for 20 years. Any evidence of this?

You do realize that this is exactly what is going to occur according to the deal signed with the US?

It allows KSA to enrich uranium within KSA for "peaceful" purposes. As well as the establishment of advanced nuclear reactors and nuclear power plants to met the energy needs of KSA in regards to electricity, water desalination etc.

KSA already has nuclear warheads due to the Pakistani connection (open secret). Confirmed by high-ranking CIA elements, MI6 and even as recently as Iranian high-ranking iRGC officials (February 2026).

You think that KSA financial and political help for Pakistan in this endeavor (nuclear weapons) came for free?

Same way that Pakistan provides KSA a nuclear umbrella. The recent signed defense treaty mentions that nuclear weapons are part of this deal.

Once again, KSA has the uranium, the missiles, the missile bases, the wealth, the political will, the scientific and human capital and soon to be (either with the US or another partner) a civilian nuclear program and infrastructure.

Basically allowing KSA to eventually pursue domestically constructed nuclear weapons some time in the future if the need to do so arrises.

We have seen the limitations of US regime removals in numerous countries what makes you think that the 3rd richest country on the planet in terms of natural resources and wealth, one of the largest countries on earth, one of the wealthiest in terms of economic size and the homeland of Makkah and Madinah and one of the most important countries for 2 + billion Muslims and 550 + million Arabs worldwide, will be easy?

If Pakistan in the 1990's (weaker than KSA nowadays) and North Korea could do it and a host of countries were close to it, KSA could do so as well.

And KSA would be much harder to sanction than Iran for 100's of reasons.

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Western "experts" are already panicking, lol.

Israeli leaders are already crying because they can see where all this will ultimately lead to.

 

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I am not aware of KSA asking for this technology for 20 years. Any evidence of this?

You do realize that this is exactly what is going to occur according to the deal signed with the US?

It allows KSA to enrich uranium within KSA for "peaceful" purposes. As well as the establishment of advanced nuclear reactors and nuclear power plants to met the energy needs of KSA in regards to electricity, water desalination etc.

KSA already has nuclear warheads due to the Pakistani connection (open secret). Confirmed by high-ranking CIA elements, MI6 and even as recently as Iranian high-ranking iRGC officials (February 2026).

You think that KSA financial and political help for Pakistan in this endeavor (nuclear weapons) came for free?

Same way that Pakistan provides KSA a nuclear umbrella. The recent signed defense treaty mentions that nuclear weapons are part of this deal.

Once again, KSA has the uranium, the missiles, the missile bases, the wealth, the political will, the scientific and human capital and soon to be (either with the US or another partner) a civilian nuclear program and infrastructure.

Basically allowing KSA to eventually pursue domestically constructed nuclear weapons some time in the future if the need to do so arrises.

We have seen the limitations of US regime removals in numerous countries what makes you think that the 3rd richest country on the planet in terms of natural resources and wealth, one of the largest countries on earth, one of the wealthiest in terms of economic size and the homeland of Makkah and Madinah and one of the most important countries for 2 + billion Muslims and 550 + million Arabs worldwide, will be easy?

If Pakistan in the 1990's (weaker than KSA nowadays) and North Korea could do it and a host of countries were close to it, KSA could do so as well.

And KSA would be much harder to sanction than Iran for 100's of reasons.

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Western "experts" are already panicking, lol.

Israeli leaders are already crying because they can see where all this will ultimately lead to.

Just one thing KSA has all the rights in the world to neuclear program of their own. I'm absolutely for it. That's what I am convinced about.

 

[_Arabia_]

Just one thing KSA has all the rights in the world to neuclear program of their own. I'm absolutely for it. That's what I am convinced about.

There is zero doubt in my mind that KSA has several nuclear warheads already.

In any case KSA needs a healthy balance of nuclear energy and renewable energy (wind and solar mostly), clean hydrogen etc. for domestic energy needs in order for oil and gas to be purely for export purposes aside from the chemical derivatives in various industries and sectors.

Anyway for me it is also a question of principle. I struggle to see why ancient technology, such as nuclear weapons, are supposed to be limited to a few. The same few that do not really have many commonalities other than past and present regimes of theirs pursuing this technology.

I also believe that the second largest ethnic group in the world (Arabs), inhabiting one of the most important areas In the world strategically (right in the center of the world) and in terms of natural resources and mineral wealth, trade routes etc., with the world's oldest documented civilizations and cultures, a former imperial power who created some of the world's largest and most important empires, a civilizational people inhabiting one of the world's largest landmasses spanning 2 continents, aside from a region of the world facing many enemies/hostile powers (in recent era and nowadays), should have nuclear weapons.

Not that I think or believe that KSA would use such weapons but it would serve as a detterent for potential enemies. There is a reason why 2 nuclear powers have never waged a full-scale war against each other.

Also if other regional actors pursue the same thing, it will be more difficult for outsiders to prevent nuclear proliferation in the region.

If tiny Arab Jewish Israel can have nuclear weapons.....

Anyway it is question of what the leadership is willing to sacrifice and how smart they will be. If they will be as stupid as the Iranian regime - we should forget it all together and have a regime change. But nothing (so far) points to this being the case.

 

[peagle]

obsession about the Saudi Arabian/Arabian/Arab origin (self-proclaimed)

I have seen you make this or similar statements many times. you need to calm down.
No one gives a damn about being an Arab, they do give a damn about being a Muslim and the Islamic heritage.
Do not confuse Islam with Arabs they're two different entities. Arab identity itself came out of Islam, but that's a different discussion.

A small minority is allowed to claim Arab heritage, Pakistan is at the crossroads of many different cultural groupings, is it surprising that there would be some Arab origin citizens of Pakistan.

Furthermore, where do you think people came from, they didn't grow out of the ground, they came from the west, including you, out of Africa. My own DNA shows two locations Syria/Lebanon area form maternal side and Southern Jordan, Northern Arabia on the paternal side, that's going back thousands of years.
Neither I, nor vast majority of Pakistanis give a damn, except about our Indus heritage and only about Islam, so don't confuse the issues. Islam is the only reason we give a damn about you lot. So calm down.
You weaken the links with your arrogance.

 

[_Arabia_]

I have seen you make this or similar statements many times. you need to calm down.
No one gives a damn about being an Arab, they do give a damn about being a Muslim and the Islamic heritage.
Do not confuse Islam with Arabs they're two different entities. Arab identity itself came out of Islam, but that's a different discussion.

A small minority is allowed to claim Arab heritage, Pakistan is at the crossroads of many different cultural groupings, is it surprising that there would be some Arab origin citizens of Pakistan.

Furthermore, where do you think people came from, they didn't grow out of the ground, they came from the west, including you, out of Africa. My own DNA shows two locations Syria/Lebanon area form maternal side and Southern Jordan, Northern Arabia on the paternal side, that's going back thousands of years.
Neither I, nor vast majority of Pakistanis give a damn, except about our Indus heritage and only about Islam, so don't confuse the issues. Islam is the only reason we give a damn about you lot. So calm down.
You weaken the links with your arrogance.

I suggest you reread my posts.

I am strictly referring to and addressing (in those posts) the well-known anti-KSA/anti-Arab Pakistanis who are worshipping the Iranian regime (which proudly and openly claims Arab ancestry from modern-day KSA) and who are indoctrinated to hate the people and landmass (Arabia) that is the cradle of Islamic civilization. It is this schizophrenic behavior that I am addressing.

Not even going to talk about the fact that the sect they follow originates in KSA, their own personal names (most likely), the alphabet of their language (languages), how Islam and de facto Arab culture has impacted the culture, practices and traditions of their people in every way and sphere you can think about. The linguistic importance of Arabic in their own language (as). No more influential language than Arabic in the Muslim world.

Not to mention that around 15-20% (some say 10% but nevertheless a sizable portion) of Saudi Arabians are Shias of various dominations (Twelver, Zaydi, Ismaili).

Have you ever met a single Catholic who has an unhealthy hatred/obsession against the Vatican or Christian holy sights in Palestine and the local people there?

Their obsession and hatred is not limited against the current ruling dynasty in KSA (House of Saud) but it is aimed at Arabia as a whole, our people (Arabs), history and everything else.

I could not care (don't care to begin with but it is always funny to expose their schizophrenic behavior) if it was just about regime dislike or foreign policies dislike, but it goes way beyond that. It is some kind of weird pagan racial/religious obsession and indoctrinated hatred mixed with ignorance and generalizations. And we know who is the "father" of this propaganda and which enemy regime that is behind this.

Which is why we will hunt down every traitor and such cancerous implants (cultists) within the Arab world, wherever they might be.

Not sure why you are talking about Arab settlements in Pakistan (South Asia as whole - well documented with 10's upon 10's of Arab dynasties - well-recorded), even in the more modern era the Nizam of Hyderabad (his own dynasty of Arab ancestry) hired Yemeni soldiers and entire families for religious, military, scholarly etc. reasons, Sri Lankan Moors (million big community), several Muslim South Indian communities of partial Arab ancestry in Kerala and elsewhere, millennia old trade ties that predate IVC, Dilmun, Magan, Sumer, Al-Magar etc.

Human migrations as well, first humans that settled South Asia came from Arabia originally. Well established as well and which you yourself have eluded to.

Writing historical facts have nothing to do with arrogance and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. The same thing could be said the other way around - don't forget that - what would the viewpoint be if Arabs had not spread Islam to South Asia and the other historical reasons (that I alluded to and yourself)? Similar to how we view Bhutan or Nepal.

Anyway you missed the points as I wrote but never mind. The topic of this thread is not about this.

 

[peagle]

I suggest you reread my posts.

I am strictly referring to and addressing (in those posts) the well-known anti-KSA/anti-Arab Pakistanis who are worshipping the Iranian regime (which proudly and openly claims Arab ancestry from modern-day KSA) and who are indoctrinated to hate the people and landmass (Arabia) that is the cradle of Islamic civilization. It is this schizophrenic behavior that I am addressing.

Not even going to talk about the fact that the sect they follow originates in KSA, their own personal names (most likely), the alphabet of their language (languages), how Islam and de facto Arab culture has impacted the culture, practices and traditions of their people in every way and sphere you can think about. The linguistic importance of Arabic in their own language (as). No more influential language than Arabic in the Muslim world.

Not to mention that around 15-20% (some say 10% but nevertheless a sizable portion) of Saudi Arabians are Shias of various dominations (Twelver, Zaydi, Ismaili).

Have you ever met a single Catholic who has an unhealthy hatred/obsession against the Vatican or Christian holy sights in Palestine and the local people there?

Their obsession and hatred is not limited against the current ruling dynasty in KSA (House of Saud) but it is aimed at Arabia as a whole, our people (Arabs), history and everything else.

I could not care (don't care to begin with but it is always funny to expose their schizophrenic behavior) if it was just about regime dislike or foreign policies dislike, but it goes way beyond that. It is some kind of weird pagan racial/religious obsession and indoctrinated hatred mixed with ignorance and generalizations. And we know who is the "father" of this propaganda and which enemy regime that is behind this.

Which is why we will hunt down every traitor and such cancerous implants (cultists) within the Arab world, wherever they might be.

Not sure why you are talking about Arab settlements in Pakistan (South Asia as whole - well documented with 10's upon 10's of Arab dynasties - well-recorded), even in the more modern era the Nizam of Hyderabad (his own dynasty of Arab ancestry) hired Yemeni soldiers and entire families for religious, military, scholarly etc. reasons, Sri Lankan Moors (million big community), several Muslim South Indian communities of partial Arab ancestry in Kerala and elsewhere, millennia old trade ties that predate IVC, Dilmun, Magan, Sumer, Al-Magar etc.

Human migrations as well, first humans that settled South Asia came from Arabia originally. Well established as well and which you yourself have eluded to.

Writing historical facts have nothing to do with arrogance and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. The same thing could be said the other way around - don't forget that - what would the viewpoint be if Arabs had not spread Islam to South Asia and the other historical reasons (that I alluded to and yourself)? Similar to how we view Bhutan or Nepal.

Anyway you missed the points as I wrote but never mind. The topic of this thread is not about this.

I've come across truly interesting characters in life but you're really something special, utterly and completely a boring individual. The only thing you can present is repeated word salads, always diffusion, never the topic on hand.
You bring together dozen different issues into the same statement and pretend it's suppose to make sense, with lies for good measure, then back track when challenged.
It's time to grow up. Your actions drive away the very people who ordinarily should be in the same camp.

I am going to present two options, then leave it at that.

A. I can answer using your logic.
B. We can have a pointed topic based discussion.

A.
If i use your logic, few of my ancestors spread few seeds, then moved on, leaving behind the likes of you. That's the logic you use in your arguments, used back on you, it's not mine.

B.
Arabia, the Peninsula,
Arab,
Islam,
They all mean a different thing, they are not the same, if you are unable to understand these basic essential facts then there's a gaping hole in your knowledge and understanding.

You can start the conversation in any thread you wish. Just don't start crying just because you don't like what you hear.
No more he doesn't agree with me that means he hates me, he hates my family, my people, my country, my everything, that's just childish.


Above all stop spreading lies about my country.

Including about the nuclear program. Pakistan has not given nuclear weapons to anyone and neither did any country directly help with the program. Friends and allies help, it's part of life, it doesn't mean you start claiming non-existent credit for the program itself.

 

[_Arabia_]

I've come across truly interesting characters in life but you're really something special, utterly and completely a boring individual. The only thing you can present is repeated word salads, always diffusion, never the topic on hand.
You bring together dozen different issues into the same statement and pretend it's suppose to make sense, with lies for good measure, then back track when challenged.
It's time to grow up. Your actions drive away the very people who ordinarily should be in the same camp.

I am going to present two options, then leave it at that.

A. I can answer using your logic.
B. We can have a pointed topic based discussion.

A.
If i use your logic, few of my ancestors spread few seeds, then moved on, leaving behind the likes of you. That's the logic you use in your arguments, used back on you, it's not mine.

B.
Arabia, the Peninsula,
Arab,
Islam,
They all mean a different thing, they are not the same, if you are unable to understand these basic essential facts then there's a gaping hole in your knowledge and understanding.

You can start the conversation in any thread you wish. Just don't start crying just because you don't like what you hear.
No more he doesn't agree with me that means he hates me, he hates my family, my people, my country, my everything, that's just childish.


Above all stop spreading lies about my country.

Including about the nuclear program. Pakistan has not given nuclear weapons to anyone and neither did any country directly help with the program. Friends and allies help, it's part of life, it doesn't mean you start claiming non-existent credit for the program itself.

More incoherent ramblings. What are you actually trying to say and why are you unable to counter even a single of my factual statements?

The only one crying is you with your long rant and personal attacks. I never attacked you nor do I care about your "support" or lack of it.

Go counter any of my factual statements or leave the crying for another thread.

 

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KSA has no access to it

The moderator deleted my post in another thread [without any damn reasonable reason !]

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Yes, some opposition Islamist that has not stepped foot in KSA for 35 years and is no privy to anything, knows the inner details of the deal singed. Ever heard of a single political dissident anywhere on the planet that has anything positive to say about the country they were banned from/escaped from?

A deal that does not mention Israel with a single word or any Ibrahim (AS) Accords.

Rather a deal that gives KSA access to one of the world's largest upcoming nuclear infrastructures and to enrich uranium (Saudi Arabian uranium) within KSA itself without any 123 agreement.

If not KSA will go the Chinese and Russian route which is what the US fears so they prefer giving KSA a deal without the 123 agreement otherwise they know that KSA will look elsewhere and they cannot afford to or want to lose KSA.

@Musings this troll continues his obsession about me and is giving me ratings to all of my posts regardless of what I write. Seems the obsession is permanent. What to do? If I deal with him, he will cry to the moderators.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Yes, some opposition Islamist that has not stepped foot in KSA for 35 years and is no privy to anything, knows the inner details of the deal singed. Ever heard of a single political dissident anywhere on the planet that has anything positive to say about the country they were banned from/escaped from?

A deal that does not mention Israel with a single word or any Ibrahim (AS) Accords.

Rather a deal that gives KSA access to one of the world's largest upcoming nuclear infrastructures and to enrich uranium (Saudi Arabian uranium) within KSA itself without any 123 agreement.

If not KSA will go the Chinese and Russian route which is what the US fears so they prefer giving KSA a deal without the 123 agreement otherwise they know that KSA will look elsewhere and they cannot afford to or want to lose KSA.

@Musings this troll continues his obsession about me and is giving me ratings to all of my posts regardless of what I write. Seems the obsession is permanent. What to do? If I deal with him, he will cry to the moderators.

Live in your lala land

The United States values Saudi Arabia only for its cheap oil and the protection it provides to Israel—nothing else.


As for Russia and China, you have nothing to offer them except cheap oil, and even that won't last forever. If the Houthis begin targeting the shipping routes, your only real leverage could disappear overnight.


You really have nothing to offer the world.

You've put all your eggs in the American and Israeli basket which is 100% wrong.

 

[_Arabia_]

Live in your lala land

Stay safe in your small Tehrani apartment and go seek cover when Tehran gets bombed again. When this is not happening, I wish you all the best in your keyboard warrior wars where you are defeating Arabs in some alternative reality.

KSA is going to have nuclear power (one of the most advanced and extensive in the world) one way or another and KSA already has nuclear warheads, the uranium, missiles, bases, scientific research nuclear reactors, 1000's of nuclear engineers and the political will and money.

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Even your Arabized IRGC officials know the reality which is why they are barely targeting KSA.

 

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Trump’s Saudi Nuclear Deal Reversal Is Right in Line With the Rest of His Foreign Policy​

The one constant is chaos, uncertainty, and unreliability.​

By Fred Kaplan

July 23, 20262:02 PM

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It’s becoming a standard feature of Donald Trump’s second presidency: He makes an announcement or sets in motion a new, significant policy—then he utters a remark or posts a caveat on social media, and the ship of state is cast into chaos, national policy rendered uncertain, the words and deeds of the world’s most powerful leader reduced to unreliable gibberish.

On Wednesday, the secretary of energy signed an agreement by which the United States would supply Saudi Arabia with nuclear energy technology. This was a very big deal. The Saudis have been seeking such a deal for many years. It could wean the kingdom away from its reliance on oil—but it could also lay the foundations for a Saudi nuclear weapon, which in turn could spur others in the region to build nuclear arsenals as well. And unlike similar agreements that the U.S. had struck with dozens of other countries, this one seemed unconditional. Saudi Arabia long ago signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, but it did not sign the NPT’s Additional Protocol, which allows international agents to conduct on-site inspections of reactors to verify that its operators aren’t converting the fuel for military purposes.


Israelis of all political stripes, taken by surprise by the deal, voiced alarm, fearing that this would inevitably lead to a Saudi nuclear weapon. Previous talks over a nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia hinged on normalization with Israel and there appeared to be no such condition for this deal. As I wrote on Wednesday, the concern in Israel over the Saudi deal seemed to indicate just how much favor Israel has lost in the United States in recent years.

Then, on Thursday, at 7:52 a.m., Trump posted on social media that the deal “is totally subject to Saudi Arabia joining the very respected and successful Abraham Accords.” These accords involve Arab or Muslim countries normalizing relations with Israel. (Negotiated in the final months of Trump’s first term, the initial signatories were Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, followed by Morocco, Sudan, and Kazakhstan.) Trump’s post immediately threw a huge wrench into the deal. The Saudis have repeatedly said that they will not normalize relations with Israel unless Israel resumes talks toward creating a Palestinian state. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly said he opposes such a state and has rejected even holding talks on the subject. (Since Hamas’ attack on Oct. 7, 2023, a strong majority of the Israeli population is skeptical of any peace deal with Palestinians.)

In other words, Trump’s new condition—which was not included in the deal negotiated earlier this week by Secretary of Energy Chris Wright and his Saudi counterpart—pretty much scuttles the deal. As one indicator of this, on Thursday, Netanyahu praised Trump’s social media post.

This may not be the end of the story. It is worth noting that President Joe Biden tried to negotiate a nuclear deal with the Saudis but made the deal dependent on the Saudis’ normalizing relations with Israel—which the Saudis rejected. Will Trump change his mind and once again loosen the deal’s terms once he realizes that he is now taking the same position as Biden, whom he incessantly lampoons as “sleepy Joe” and “the worst president” in American history?



It is also unclear where Trump’s equivocation leaves U.S.–Israel relations. The alliance has genuinely soured in recent months. Trump has steadily lost trust in Netanyahu, once shouting obscenities at him for restarting the war on Hezbollah in Lebanon just as Trump was seeking a ceasefire in Iran. At the same time, American public opinion has turned against Israel for its deadly attacks against Palestinian civilians in Gaza and the West Bank; this has led to growing numbers in Congress voting to cut off all military aid to Israel—a proposition that would have been unimaginable even a year ago.

Trump’s social media post suggests the alliance isn’t finished. But it leaves open many questions about Trump’s relationship with the Saudis, with Israel, and with the nuclear power industry, whose ailing fortunes the deal would have greatly boosted.

 

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Stay safe in your small Tehrani apartment and go seek cover when Tehran gets bombed again. When this is not happening, I wish you all the best in your keyboard warrior wars where you are defeating Arabs in some alternative reality.

KSA is going to have nuclear power (one of the most advanced and extensive in the world) one way or another and KSA already has nuclear warheads, the uranium, missiles, bases, scientific research nuclear reactors, 1000's of nuclear engineers and the political will and money.

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Even your Arabized IRGC officials know the reality which is why they are barely targeting KSA.

He is a former reformist politician not an IRGC member.


Yemen will destroy them all for good. Mark my words

 

[HAIDER]

You mean the same Trump that claimed 100 of times before, 10 years ago evne, that KSA would sign the Ibrahim (AS) Accords, recognize Israel, not get the F-35, advanced microchips, most advanced military tech, record number of US direct investment inside KSA and main US firms establishing their headquarters in KSA? The same Trump that made his first presidential official visit to KSA of all countries? The same Trump and his family that has deed economic ties with KSA?

The same deal that has already been signed and which does not mention Israel or the Ibrahim (AS) accords by one word?

Wait the end of MBS, when crown prince take over that policy will change and Saudi will recognize Israel. Few old school Saudi Royals causing hurdle ...MBS is the last one.

 

[Cipher212]

They can recognise. It should be fine. Their population will not rise up, and even if it did the Saudi authorities can easily beat them down.