SMASH SLBM Testing - Nov 2025

[studsmart]

People don't understand exact threat environment
Indian navy brahmos is 800 km range
With 400 km range smash you are getting deep into Indian Navy's reach
And you don't go into fight considering your opponent will miss target
For now best thing is to make 1000 km version
And deploy ok land
Hard part of creating kill chain and seeker and hitting a moving sea target is done
Better booster longer range is no issue
Deployment on ships will take much time and will be shorter range them IN
Best area denial strategy would be deploying on land with 1000 KM range
Using satellite, MPA, drone aew, fighter jet J10C for guidance to Indian navy ships that will just have 150 km Sam for at least 15 years more

Since when has Brahmos, which is currently operational, had an 800 km range? Please help upgrade my knowledge. Yes, there are talks of BrahMos this or BrahMos that but nothing real yet

 

[Oscar]

People don't understand exact threat environment
Indian navy brahmos is 800 km range
With 400 km range smash you are getting deep into Indian Navy's reach
And you don't go into fight considering your opponent will miss target
For now best thing is to make 1000 km version
And deploy ok land
Hard part of creating kill chain and seeker and hitting a moving sea target is done
Better booster longer range is no issue
Deployment on ships will take much time and will be shorter range them IN
Best area denial strategy would be deploying on land with 1000 KM range
Using satellite, MPA, drone aew, fighter jet J10C for guidance to Indian navy ships that will just have 150 km Sam for at least 15 years more

800km requires targeting much more precise than just satellite and requires positioning and updates that are susceptible to jamming.
Keep this in mind, you already have coverage via other "systems" well into their ports where they will likely load any amphibious forces and further out where they could try flanking maneuvers.

Having 1000km range is one thing, making sure you can guide it to a spot where its own sensors sans positioning systems can get a reliable lock and then also have enough of a salvo to get through defenses is what matters.

 

[Oscar]

Since when has Brahmos, which is currently operational, had an 800 km range? Please help upgrade my knowledge. Yes, there are talks of BrahMos this or BrahMos that but nothing real yet

IN official docs talk to "tests" - WTF those actually were is a different question.
But there is only so much "extension" you can do for that system before the issue of payload vs accuracy vs weight vs cost all comes crashing down.

 

[MS Sandhu]

So they could not stop CM400AKG destroying S-400 system but they can easily stop this modied naval version?? YEA GREAT LOGIC !!

There is no proof of s400 being destroyed.
Kachi golian na krao

 

[Zarvan]

Since when has Brahmos, which is currently operational, had an 800 km range? Please help upgrade my knowledge. Yes, there are talks of BrahMos this or BrahMos that but nothing real yet

Not deployed yet but soon will be. India on this Diwali tested 800 KM range Brahmos. Along with that their satellites systems are getting better. So soon they would be able to fully utilize the protentional of those 800 KM Range missiles. Plus, their 1500 KM Nirbhay cruise missile is also ready. That is a 1500 KM subsonic cruise missile basically same design philosophy as Tomahawk. Equipping our ships with only 350 to 450 KM range missiles is suicide. Same mindset caused us Operation Trident and Python, and we are headed towards the same fate again.

@Oscar Sir if a Navy is designing its policies that enemy satellites are bad, you need a lot more to fully utilize the protentional of an 800 KM range supersonic missile than no offense that is a self-destructive policy which would backfire really badly. Just like it did in 1971. Yes, we have improved a lot since 1971 but so has India specially in field of missiles and Navy. Like manifolds. Using a 350 to 450 KM range missile means you are getting so close to your enemy that basically you are going for suicide mission. You never were in the game in the first place if you have to go this close.

 

[Qadeer chaudary]

800km requires targeting much more precise than just satellite and requires positioning and updates that are susceptible to jamming.
Keep this in mind, you already have coverage via other "systems" well into their ports where they will likely load any amphibious forces and further out where they could try flanking maneuvers.

Having 1000km range is one thing, making sure you can guide it to a spot where its own sensors sans positioning systems can get a reliable lock and then also have enough of a salvo to get through defenses is what matters.

What's this 1970s?
Missiles will be 1000 km range
Not targeting at 1000 km range from shore
You fire missiles
Guide them via MPA, j10c aew drone and satellite that are already about 300 km near Indian navy assets in ocean
They are outside Sam envelope
Targeting gets hard but you need to do hard to keep enemy away in a2 ad
Also 500 km brahmos already available for few years
800 km brahmos tested couple years ago from different ships
You can't outdo IN in magazine depth
They have 8 to 16 brahmos 500 to 800 km per vessel
You will need years to build destroyers or still years to build many Fac or type 54B size frogates to get 8 to 16 smash per vessel
While it is simple to just deploy longer range smash from shore
Guide via areal assets
And don't say j10 c don't have range
Refuel in our airspace over sea
Already 300 km from shore
Then with it's 750 km radiuses it can guide it to in destroyers

Also nobody in forces downplay enemy like Indian can't target at longers ranges and we should sit back and relax
If that were the case
PAF should also have relaxed since Indian Rafael can't target meteor to maximum range
But they did outgun them
AWACS guiding at long ranges being outside of Indian AD coverage for both fighters and AWACS

Simply put
Indian navy can outnumber and outrange Pakistani ships with number of ships number of missiles per ships and range of missiles
But they can't touch long range targeting aircraft guiding 1000km shore based missiles due to their 150 max barak range and that too consider s400 had double range against j10c but those are theoretically ranges
Also, IN cannot defend against ballistic missile
Barak has no such capabilities
Not did Indian radar of navy

 

[Qadeer chaudary]

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Not deployed yet but soon will be. India on this Diwali tested 800 KM range Brahmos. Along with that their satellites systems are getting better. So soon they would be able to fully utilize the protentional of those 800 KM Range missiles. Plus, their 1500 KM Nirbhay cruise missile is also ready. That is a 1500 KM subsonic cruise missile basically same design philosophy as Tomahawk. Equipping our ships with only 350 to 450 KM range missiles is suicide. Same mindset caused us Operation Trident and Python, and we are headed towards the same fate again.

@Oscar Sir if a Navy is designing its policies that enemy satellites are bad, you need a lot more to fully utilize the protentional of an 800 KM range supersonic missile than no offense that is a self-destructive policy which would backfire really badly. Just like it did in 1971. Yes, we have improved a lot since 1971 but so has India specially in field of missiles and Navy. Like manifolds. Using a 350 to 450 KM range missile means you are getting so close to your enemy that basically you are going for suicide mission. You never were in the game in the first place if you have to go this closenot to

Not deployed yet but soon will be. India on this Diwali tested 800 KM range Brahmos. Along with that their satellites systems are getting better. So soon they would be able to fully utilize the protentional of those 800 KM Range missiles. Plus, their 1500 KM Nirbhay cruise missile is also ready. That is a 1500 KM subsonic cruise missile basically same design philosophy as Tomahawk. Equipping our ships with only 350 to 450 KM range missiles is suicide. Same mindset caused us Operation Trident and Python, and we are headed towards the same fate again.

@Oscar Sir if a Navy is designing its policies that enemy satellites are bad, you need a lot more to fully utilize the protentional of an 800 KM range supersonic missile than no offense that is a self-destructive policy which would backfire really badly. Just like it did in 1971. Yes, we have improved a lot since 1971 but so has India specially in field of missiles and Navy. Like manifolds. Using a 350 to 450 KM range missile means you are getting so close to your enemy that basically you are going for suicide mission. You never were in the game in the first place if you have to go this close.

Also worth mentioning
You can only arm 4 zulfiqar, 4 type 54 ap and maybe 6 Jinnah
With 4 MX smash
Even if they in open ocean launch most missiles and damage some Indian navy ships
They will face many more brahmos before launching
Plus even if they launch attack and defend against brahmos
You magazine is empty for defense and offense
You need to get back and reload taking few days for that
And ij a war where navy is engaged no time for that also they can be targeted by su 30 mki brahmos while at any PN base
Maybe not on gawadar


On the other hand
1000 km shore based missiles will keep Indian navy out of attacking Karachi

Remaining in open ocean
And even used we can just rearm launchers
And send Arial assets again for second strike within same day

 

[Khanivore]

There is no proof of s400 being destroyed.
Kachi golian na krao

Do you have proof that S400 was NOT hit?

I know for a fact it was hit because when Modi visited the air base, they never showed the 96L6E "Cheese Board" radar, which Pakistan air force specifically named as the target that was hit -- so the Indians never showed it, not even once. Instead, Modi got the tour of the 55K6E mobile command and control (C2) vehicle, and they put the launcher vehicle behind him as a propaganda prop to fool the Indian public.

 

[Qadeer chaudary]

Simply put
Pakistani navy objective
Keep Indian navy out of reach of Karachi
Best way in next ten years
Shore based 1000 KM smash
With air based MPA, AWACS, aew drones or j10C Targeting

Also use same targeting but 1000 km range available harbah shore based
Against Corvette, supply vessels, older frigates of IN, Mumbai stationary target from sea side attack just like Ukrainian Neptune vs Russian black sea fleet or bases

Even in extreme war effort
Pakistan navy wants to got offensive
And out of coverage of j10c i.e. target vessels towards Bengal

Best way is to use submarine with harbah, or smash naval version (length and diameter of fattah 2 is good for this development in future)

IN destroyers in sea can't fire hack at submarine in time at 200 km plus ranges

 

[Qadeer chaudary]

Do you have proof that S400 was NOT hit?

I know for a fact it was hit because when Modi visited the air base, they never showed the 96L6E "Cheese Board" radar, which Pakistan air force specifically named as the target that was hit -- so the Indians never showed it, not even once. Instead, Modi got the tour of the 55K6E mobile command and control (C2) vehicle, and they put the launcher vehicle behind him as a propaganda prop to fool the Indian public.

But Lets be realistic
The ammount of attack Indian did against paf assets
Our counter strike was so worse then what needed

So many low cost cruise missile drones available, Fatah 2 available, cm400 akg in large quantities
220 REK bombs
Harbah in long range available
Pakistani army and airforce should have attacked all Indian airforce bases and all batteries of s400 damaging radar or command of every battery
Pakistan had perfect legal reasons to reltleat
Would have given use 5-7 years of peace and good beating to hinduwa
But wrong descion ruined the start PAF gave

 

[ziaulislam]

Whats the lunch position..never saw it on the video

 

[Khanivore]

But Lets be realistic
The ammount of attack Indian did against paf assets
Our counter strike was so worse then what needed

So many low cost cruise missile drones available, Fatah 2 available, cm400 akg in large quantities
220 REK bombs
Harbah in long range available
Pakistani army and airforce should have attacked all Indian airforce bases and all batteries of s400 damaging radar or command of every battery
Pakistan had perfect legal reasons to reltleat
Would have given use 5-7 years of peace and good beating to hinduwa
But wrong descion ruined the start PAF gave

Please stick to what I said.

 

[Faithfulguy]

What a precision… for a moment I had a flash memory of hitting INS Vikrant.

Vikrant is an industrial junk. Keep it afloat so India can sink more resources into it.

If a ship launches 3 times, it’s a junk.

 

[FuturePAF]

Whats the lunch position..never saw it on the video

Seems to be a F-22P class frigate. A good refit for these modest platforms; as focused on blue water modern anti-shipping. Hopefully, once retired, their replacements will be inspired by the next gen Chinese blue water corvettes under development; compact, low signatures and weapons held internally.

 

[Michael]

Seems to be a F-22P class frigate. A good refit for these modest platforms; as focused on blue water modern anti-shipping. Hopefully, once retired, their replacements will be inspired by the next gen Chinese corvettes under development; compact, low signatures and weapons held internally.

How about this one?