Syrian Civil War and The future of Syria after liberation

[Developereo]

The globalist cabal is not ruled by logic. They are a greedy, insatiable psychopathic class

Humans are motivated by ideology. Greed is not an ideology.

The people who control the world are not doing it for something as trivial as money: they are working towards an end goal that surpasses any individual lifetime.

 

[_Arabia_]

He should be prosecuted under Pakistan law.

What language is he speaking? Is it Pashto or Urdu? It does not sound like Punjabi. Maybe it is, lol. My knowledge of native Pakistani languages is superficial and extends to knowing a few words here and there due to personal exchanges with Pakistanis within KSA/GCC and the West.

Yes, just like the Pakistanis who were used as cannon fodder by the Iranian regime and who have been killed in their 100's if not 1000's in Syria, Iraq etc.

Really unfortunate to think that Pakistanis are killing each (potentially) in other foreign conflicts far from Pakistan.

 

[Lulldapull]

Let me get this straight. I see 100 times more simping for Iran (lol) of all countries on this forum that is much weaker country than Turkey and which has caused 1 million times more harm to the Muslim world and Muslims. And they are a supposed Islamic Republic, make empty speeches for 45 years against USA and Israel (yet nothing to date other than useless firecrackers that did not even kill 1 single Israeli and which they had to inform the US of prior to, LOL) yet we have hordes of users here who are 1000 times bigger fanboys of that regime than there are fans of Turkey, KSA or any other Muslim nation.

What is your problem with Turks again? Did you not claim that you were Turkic?

Turks are of many varied origins, Turkic, Kurdish, Arab, Circassian, Bosnian, Albanian, Greek (small minority), Assyrian and probably others that I forgot. This is irrelevant to the points that I made.

NATO members yes, but I don't recall Turks invading Muslims, creating 100's of terrorist proxies under false slogans etc. as certain others. Or supporting dictators that mass-murder Muslims (Al-Assad regime) like certain others.

Name me 1 Muslim country that does not trade or cooperate with the West or tries to?

Let me ask you this. Would you be as pro-Iranian as you are if the Shah was still around?

Can you explain to me what the Iranian regime has done for Muslims or for Pakistan for that matter? I am curious from where this blind worship originates from.

Is it because you are a Shia and you think/believe (falsely) that Iran represent Shia Islam or that they have a patent on it?

You generally sawdi or feeling mughal today?

 

[tower9]

Humans are motivated by ideology. Greed is not an ideology.

The people who control the world are not doing it for something as trivial as money: they are working towards an end goal that surpasses any individual lifetime.

The elites are hungry for power and control. Money is an after thought at that point.

Ideology is created to provide justification and public consent for their policies.

 

[Tsubasa]

So you have to be someone's ally in order not to destabilize the whole region?

If the overwhelming majority of Syrians have been and still are satisfied with Turkey’s role, then Turkey must have been on the right side, don’t you think?

 

[Developereo]

The elites are hungry for power and control. Money is an after thought at that point.

Ideology is created to provide justification and public consent for their policies.

I disagree.

Power and control are only the means to an end. Like money, they are worthless in and of themselves. People use money, power, and control to achieve an ideological agenda which they believe. They want to change the shape of the world to suit their ideological agenda. Power and money disappear when a person dies, but their ideological agenda can live on for a thousand years.

The people who control the world behind the scenes have a clear ideological agenda. They don't need money: they can make enough money in a week to live a thousand lifetimes in obscene opulence. They have the power and influence to control life and death for millions. All these are means to achieve an ideological agenda.

 

[_Arabia_]

You generally sawdi or feeling mughal today?

Mughal? Are you serious? I have no ties to South Asia. Is it because you think that the average Saudi Arabian has a problem with Turkey or what? There is no such thing. Most are neutral. Others like Turkey, some don't for whatever reasons. In any case it is not a hostile people or state to us. In fact it is a fellow Muslim country that we have and have had a lot in common with. A territory (Southern and Eastern Turkey) that we once used to rule. A country that many people visit as a holiday destination, less so nowadays due to KSA opening up to itself and creating a vibrant domestic entertainment/tourist sector (work in process still) but it is still very popular due to being close, relatively cheap compared to elsewhere, Muslim-friendly by large and due to Istanbul being popular. Also the Black Sea region is popular. For the same reason Georgia has become popular in recent years.

Also, since you seem interested, there is a Turkish Arab community within Turkey that predates the Turkic migrations to Anatolia, and we (Saudi Arabians) have close ties to them and their dialect is similar to one of our main dialects (Najdi). I am talking about those in Sanliurfa for instance. Just like we have Turkish/Turkic communities in KSA.

You are heavily pro-Iranian regime as a Pakistani. I in comparison like the overwhelming majority of Arabs I don't see them in a positive light.

Like most Arabs, I don't see Turkey as an enemy state and I believe that Arab-Turkish mutually beneficial cooperation can change our region for the better.

Overall I look at Turkey in a positive light.

Obviously you disagree since you seem to have a problem with Turkey like other Pakistanis here which I find strange but each to his own. We all have our biases.

 

[Ravenman]

You have a right to your opinion. I have a right to disagree. No Muslamic nation has behaved IMO with a shining light over its name. In fact appalling response by all. Some of the leaders brandishing Palestinian flags making orgasmic speeches with empty or little action. Turkey being no different.

Thanks to Iranian intelligence, Israel could bomb and destroy Iraq’s nuclaer reactor in Osirak, otherwise we could see a Arabic atomic weapon nowdays.

If Saddam Hussain had nukes, Iraq would definitely not being invaded and maybe Israel would be nuked also.

 

[Tamerlane]

What language is he speaking? Is it Pashto or Urdu? It does not sound like Punjabi. Maybe it is, lol. My knowledge of native Pakistani languages is superficial and extends to knowing a few words here and there due to personal exchanges with Pakistanis within KSA/GCC and the West.

Yes, just like the Pakistanis who were used as cannon fodder by the Iranian regime and who have been killed in their 100's if not 1000's in Syria, Iraq etc.

Really unfortunate to think that Pakistanis are killing each (potentially) in other foreign conflicts far from Pakistan.

He's speaking Urdu with a Pashtun accent, meaning that he's from the northwest areas of Pakistan.

Unfortunately, Pakistanis have a history of killing each other for money. The existing Pakistan Army was created by the British as the British Indian Army manned by locals and led by British officers. That's how less than 50,000 British ruled over 350 million Indians for 200 years. The British Indian Army fought for the British all over the world, including against Muslim countries.

The Indian Army during World War II, a British force also referred to as the British Indian Army, began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war, it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945.

The army fought in Ethiopia against the Italian Army, in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and Algeria against both the Italian and German armies, and, after the Italian surrender, against the German Army in Italy. However, the bulk of the Indian Army was committed to fighting the Japanese Army, first during the British defeat in Malaya and the retreat from Burma to the Indian border.

Indian Army during World War II

Recently, the Pakistan Army was hired by the Americans to fight against Russia, and later against the Taliban.

So, there's no surprise that different countries hire Pakistanis to fight for various wars. In Syria they're fighting on both sides.

 

[_Arabia_]

He's speaking Urdu with a Pashtun accent, meaning that he's from the northwest areas of Pakistan.

Unfortunately, Pakistanis have a history of killing each other for money. The existing Pakistan Army was created by the British as the British Indian Army manned by locals and led by British officers. That's how less than 50,000 British ruled over 350 million Indians for 200 years. The British Indian Army fought for the British all over the world, including against Muslim countries.

The Indian Army during World War II, a British force also referred to as the British Indian Army, began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war, it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945.

The army fought in Ethiopia against the Italian Army, in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and Algeria against both the Italian and German armies, and, after the Italian surrender, against the German Army in Italy. However, the bulk of the Indian Army was committed to fighting the Japanese Army, first during the British defeat in Malaya and the retreat from Burma to the Indian border.

Indian Army during World War II

Recently, the Pakistan Army was hired by the Americans to fight against Russia, and later against the Taliban.

So, there's no surprise that different countries hire Pakistanis to fight for various wars. In Syria they're fighting on both sides.

I thought so.

I know that many Pakistanis, rightly mostly, complain about the role of the military and claim that Pakistan has essentially always been a military-ruled/dominated country, but truth be told, the military is probably the only Pakistani institution that has been functioning since 1948 and which indirectly helped Pakistan survive in a tumultuous region.

Look at what a weak central state (army included) did to neighboring Afghanistan.

Also you are the only nuclear armed Muslim nation. That gives a certain status and power as well that Pakistan would otherwise not have.

Sometimes it is better to wish for the devil you know than the devil you don't know.

If the Pakistani military collapses, I believe that Pakistan might collapse as a country in the sense that it could be split up along ethnic lines which is exactly what India and others would love to happen.

So while you rightly can have complains about the military and its role in politics, it is also the glue that holds Pakistan together IMO. Just my superficial understanding of it and what I have heard from many Pakistanis in person.

Notice, I wrote might, not that it necessary would.

 

[Tamerlane]

The British Indian Army also fought against Ottoman Turkey. Remember, the Pakistan Army was part of the Indian Army.

Between 1914 and 1918, British and Indian troops fought against the Ottoman Turks in Mesopotamia (now Iraq). After many setbacks, they finally took Baghdad in March 1917. This marked the high point of a long and tragic campaign characterised by bitter fighting in a harsh climate.

The Şehzadebaşı raid was a British Indian Army operation to capture a Ottoman Army barracks in Istanbul which took place as part of a larger operation by the Allied occupational authorities to counter the Turkish National Movement. Since Allied forces had begun the occupation of Istanbul in November 1918 in accordance with the Armistice of Mudros, Turkish resistance to the occupation was gradually increasing. On 16 March 1920, the Allies launched a raid which arrested several nationalist politicians and journalists along with occupying military and police installations and government buildings.

Around 05:45, a lorry of British Indian Army troops serving as part of the occupation force arrived near the barracks, which was garrisoned by 61 Ottoman soldiers from the 10th Infantry Division. Two Ottoman soldiers stationed at the entrance began to resist the occupation by force of arms, leading to a shootout where the British Indian Army captured the barracks. Five Ottoman soldiers were killed, 10 were wounded and 1 went missing, while the British suffered no casualties.

Şehzadebaşı raid

 

[Lulldapull]

A person came from Saudi Arabia, the land of takfir and terrorism, betrayal of Islam and servitude to the West, and mocks Iran.
It is a strange world.lol

Like Saudi Arabia, Turkey is just a servant for the West. There is no hope for these two useless countries.

I don't think he's Sawdi. No Sawdi or UAE fella would back Al-Turkiya.

 

[Lulldapull]

Thanks to Iranian intelligence, Israel could bomb and destroy Iraq’s nuclaer reactor in Osirak, otherwise we could see a Arabic atomic weapon nowdays.

If Saddam Hussain had nukes, Iraq would definitely not being invaded and maybe Israel would be nuked also.

And you are Al-Turkiyan with this comment of yours? .....lol

Yet another false flagger.

 

[_Arabia_]

I don't think he's Sawdi. No Sawdi or UAE fella would back Al-Turkiya.

You really don't know what you are talking about if you think that the average Saudi Arabian or even Emirati has any problem with Turkey or Turks. Don't base your entire knowledge on Twitter bots or what a few guys are saying or writing. I already explained the ground reality in post 5267 which you never replied to. You clearly don't speak Arabic and are unfamiliar with the region if you make such nonsense claims.

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Reports of Maher al-Assad being injured and actually based in Iraq as of now and not as thought earlier in Russia. Al-Assad, before he fled to Russia, did apparently not even inform his closest relates (brother included) of his plan. Which is why some of his cousins (the Makhlouf clan) were ambushed within Syria and killed by Syrians when they tried to flee to Lebanon in car.

This points to this being a complete regime collapse that took even the leadership by surprise. Hilarious.

And you are Al-Turkiyan with this comment of yours? .....lol

Yet another false flagger.

Dude, he is Turkish and I am Saudi Arabian. You are seeing false-flaggers everywhere. None of us have any ties to South Asia. Stop trolling.

 

[Tamerlane]

I thought so.

I know that many Pakistanis, rightly mostly, complain about the role of the military and claim that Pakistan has essentially always been a military-ruled/dominated country, but truth be told, the military is probably the only Pakistani institution that has been functioning since 1948 and which indirectly helped Pakistan survive in a tumultuous region.

Look at what a weak central state (army included) did to neighboring Afghanistan.

Also you are the only nuclear armed Muslim nation. That gives a certain status and power as well that Pakistan would otherwise not have.

Sometimes it is better to wish for the devil you know than the devil you don't know.

If the Pakistani military collapses, I believe that Pakistan might collapse as a country in the sense that it could be split up along ethnic lines which is exactly what India and others would love to happen.

So while you rightly can have complains about the military and its role in politics, it is also the glue that holds Pakistan together IMO. Just my superficial understanding of it and what I have heard from many Pakistanis in person.

Notice, I wrote might, not that it necessary would.

Saudis like Pakistani generals because they can be hired for cheap. Pakistanis don't like them because they've destroyed the country and made it into a beggar. Asim Munir is as popular as Assad.

There was a time in the early history of Pakistan when Saudi Arabia wasn't so rich, and Pakistan was an equal. Now these treacherous generals have turned the country into a miskeen while the generals themselves are filthy rich.